New Memories of Steven Matz?

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

what a douche Cohen is.

[bmfc1]

I don't care about Matz but other teams must be telling FAs "you don't know who the Mets manager will be and their FO is a cluster f**k". Hiring a new Manager and coaching staff soon might be a good idea.



Steve might be used to pointing his finger and outbidding everyone by a million dollars but human beings are not dead sharks floating in formaldehyde. Instead, they are represented by figurative sharks who take your best and final offer and go back to another bidder, tell them your price, and give them a chance to submit a new best and final offer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Physical_Impossibility_of_Death_in_the_Mind_of_Someone_Livinghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Physical_Impossibility_of_Death_in_the_Mind_of_Someone_Living

[Edgy MD]

I'm not sure a website called IsSteveCohenHappyToday.com would get as many hits as Steve thinks it would.

[Lefty Specialist]

Steve is unhappy this morning: https://twitter.com/StevenACohen2/status/1463505594887852032

Well, that's certainly a way to attract potential free agents to your team.



Not.

[seawolf17]

Right? Shit. What a dumpster fire this fucking team is.

[G-Fafif]

[Edgy MD]

I'm not sure what lifetime of experience with player agents Mr. Cohen thinks he has had.



He's a quillionaire, so he doesn't need advice from me, but if he feels like he got played, I wouldn't recommend making a public display of crying over it.



Very Trumpy, as a matter of fact.

[G-Fafif]

[duan]

If you're only complaint is that you say we should have got a chance to match/beat the offer and people aren't doing it I think the problem may not be with the other people but with you ...

[bmfc1]

"tremendous franchise" v. instability

and/or

4 years in a less-pressured market v 2 years in NY where they already know that you are mediocre.

[A Boy Named Seo]

The only thing shocking is Cohen being shocked by how this whole free agent thing works.

[Ceetar]

A Boy Named Seo wrote: The only thing shocking is Cohen being shocked by how this whole free agent thing works.

maybe he should hire someone(s) to talk to the agents for him.

[A Boy Named Seo]

Noah just posted a screen grab on his IG story of the NYPOST article announcing Matz to the Cards with a "Congrats, Steven!" followed by a couple of eye-raising emojis. Whatever anyone else is experiencing, there's clearly some disfunction there that Noah wanted far away from and I'm kind of a getting a kick out of Noah the troll.

[Fman99]

The Mets are apparently into the Honey-Boo-Boo levels of dysfunctionality. Stevie Co-hen-pecked looks like your typical rich spoiled idiot. No manager, half the front office vacant. Mrs. Met stubbornly not responding to my illicit photos I keep texting her. When will it all get right?

[Centerfield]

What we've learned.



1. Steve Cohen is actively involved in free agent discussions. Something he said he wouldn't do, and one of the biggest issues with the Wilpon regime.



2. Steve got played by Matz's agent. Whose job it is to drive up price, and say whatever it takes.



3. Steve's not used to getting played, doesn't like it, and now cries on Twitter about it, making this a bigger story than it ever needed to be.



4. He was willing to go four years, $44M on Steven Matz. Which is in itself alarming.



5. Steve Cohen badly needs a publicist.

[Frayed Knot]

Unless he's going to be a bit more specific on the "words and promises" thing (and he probably shouldn't) it's a bit tough to judge who's the bad actor in this scenario, all of which leads to the conclusion that he'd have been better off keeping his mouth/twitter shut.

[Ceetar]

I'm not so sure on #4. That's what Heyman said, but telling a reporter after the fact that you'd have matched isn't the same thing as being willing to do it. Also he told Sherman that Matz contacted the Mets, not the other way around. I don't know how to read that as anything but "We didn't really want you but are pissed you didn't come here" Like wtf?



Either that, that's a fineish number for Matz. they need backend help too, he's not old, and that's not really that much money.

[kcmets]

Steve is unhappy this morning: https://twitter.com/StevenACohen2/status/1463505594887852032

And, ya know, he's been in the baseball for decades and has seen some shit.

[Marshmallowmilkshake]

Agreed about needing the communications professional.



I'm not sure I understand the business model for the agent. He must have more clients than Matz, and pissing off the most wealthy owner in baseball won't help him get other players signed by the Mets. And, it won't help him if he tries to use the Mets to drive up the price again. And if I'm a player looking for an agent, why would I hire a guy who has a bad relationship with the guy who can write the biggest checks?



I don't know how the news about signing with the Cardinals was communicated to the Mets. But if I was told I'd get a chance to top an offer and I'm learning about the guy signing elsewhere in the media, I'd be frustrated.

[Edgy MD]

Steve is unhappy this morning: https://twitter.com/StevenACohen2/status/1463505594887852032 And, ya know, he's been in the baseball for decades and has seen some shit.

I LOLOLed.

[smg58]

1. Don't panic over free agent moves made before Thanksgiving.



2. That being said, owners who don't know when to shut up are a concern.



3. Managers, coaching staffs, and publicists not in place a week before a likely major lockout are also a concern.

[Edgy MD]

I would conclude that the Mets do have a functioning communications team. It's just that Stevie don't care.



Jesus Christmas, this guy isn't going to be the new Steinbrenner, is he?

[Centerfield]

I really hope not. One of the main criteria for "good owner" is "get the fuck out of the way".

[nymr83]

Edgy MD wrote: I would conclude that the Mets do have a functioning communications team. It's just that Stevie don't care. Jesus Christmas, this guy isn't going to be the new Steinbrenner, is he?

Until we trade away top prospects for aging has been (see: Cano Trade) at his urging, he is no Steinbrenner.



He is loud a4md obnoxious but as lomg as he spends his money and lets the baseball guys make the moves thats fine. He can be Mark Cuban.

[ashie62]

Is it possible Uncle Steve is a moron?



Somebody call Oakland about those players on clearance.

[Ceetar]

Edgy MD wrote: I would conclude that the Mets do have a functioning communications team. It's just that Stevie don't care. Jesus Christmas, this guy isn't going to be the new Steinbrenner, is he? Until we trade away top prospects for aging has been (see: Cano Trade) at his urging, he is no Steinbrenner. He is loud a4md obnoxious but as lomg as he spends his money and lets the baseball guys make the moves thats fine. He can be Mark Cuban.

Lol, he hasn't spent anything yet. Rather Cano and Diaz than Kevin Pillar.

[Marshmallowmilkshake]

Edgy MD wrote: I would conclude that the Mets do have a functioning communications team. It's just that Stevie don't care. Jesus Christmas, this guy isn't going to be the new Steinbrenner, is he? Until we trade away top prospects for aging has been (see: Cano Trade) at his urging, he is no Steinbrenner. He is loud a4md obnoxious but as lomg as he spends his money and lets the baseball guys make the moves thats fine. He can be Mark Cuban. Lol, he hasn't spent anything yet. Rather Cano and Diaz than Kevin Pillar.

Hasn't spent anything? That $341 million to Lindor doesn't count as spending anything?

[Willets Point]

Kind of fascinating to think what if George Steinbrenner lived long enough to take advantage of Twitter.

[Frayed Knot]

Willets Point wrote: Kind of fascinating to think what if George Steinbrenner lived long enough to take advantage of Twitter.

He did, he just spent the last four years tweeting from DC under an assumed handle.









Circling for a moment from Stevie the Whiner back to Stevie the Pitcher, Matz's season in Toronto was much improved from a W/L & ERA standpoint [14-7; 3.82; 115 ERA+].

But his peripheral numbers remained right in line with his career norms: H/9 = 9.4 in 2021 vs 9.2 overall; HR/9 = 1.1 vs 1.4; BB/9 = 2.6 vs 2.7; K/9 = 8.6 vs 8.6; WHIP = 1.33 vs 1.32

So aside from a slight improvement in HR-rate, that's about as consistently predictable as sports stats get which in turn suggests that the W/L and ERA improvements [115 ERA+ vs 96 career]

were the result to some degree of good fortune rather than a 'Eureka' turning of a corner. iow, he is now and is likely to remain something close to what we saw while he was

here, at least minus the SSS disaster [6 starts, 3 relief, 9.68 ERA] that was his 2020 season.

Could we live with that in the rotation? Sure. Wanna be locked into it for four years on a guy who turns 31 early in year one? ...



Now maybe pitching to Yadi (though only for the first year) plus the 15 Gold Glovers that StL throws onto the field every night will make him look better more often than not.

Or maybe he will take things up a notch in StL just like those guys I swear the Cards bring off of their grounds crew every year to fill a hole just where they need it.

[The Hot Corner]

Last year I got the impression that players viewed the Mets new regime under Cohen's ownership as a place to be, on a team with a bright future. I no longer believe that is the perception among many players and their agents. The organization appears to be in disarray at this point.



Time will tell as this off season plays out, but I don't think it took too long for the Mets to lose their status as a place to be.