Memories of Noah Syndergaard

[whippoorwill]

Not sorry. I think he's washed up



And he's not good looking enough for movies

[MFS62]

Let's hope that draft pick turns into something better than a mediocre middle infielder.

At least they didn't also lose LeRoy Stanton, Francisco Estrada and Don Rose this time.



Later

[A Boy Named Seo]

=metsmarathon post_id=81164 time=1637085784 user_id=83]
i think we could do worse than gausman. granted, gausman can do worse than gausman. but it feels like he's maybe finally putting it all together. i wouldn't go super-crazy on him, but i would definitely like to bring him in. or, y'know, scherzer would be fine too.



but yeah, we gotta make sure to get stroman back at a minimum.



I'm very cautious about expecting anything out of degrom right now. i'd need to be convinced otherwise, and think the mets should build their rotation as if he's not there. and if he's healthy and available and degrominant, then we just move peterson/megill to the lower levels of the depth chart.

[metsmarathon]

shit i'll do it.



fair warning - i was WAY wrong about trevor bauer not being a completely terrible person. though i only thought maybe he was douchey and maladjusted in a more normal fashion, and i was willing to be somewhat contrarian on the matter. i'd like to think i would've picked up on a few red flags if i had been paying closer attention. but then, the dodgers signed him, and they're not quite a fuckup organization.

[Frayed Knot]

=MFS62 post_id=81178 time=1637093025 user_id=60]
Let's hope that draft pick turns into something better than a mediocre middle infielder.

[Edgy MD]

If research on first-rounders has taught me anything, it's that the odds of anybody becoming an impact player/All Star are against you. You're not paying for wins, but for the likelihood of wins. But that's the nature of speculation. A thing doesn't have to be guaranteed to produce to have value. It only has to be a little bit more likely to produce over the long haul than another thing.



But, you know, Syndergaard hasn't been a big producer the last few years.

[Edgy MD]

I wonder if Syndergaard and Bauer will share an apartment.

[nymr83]

I love THOR, but objectively he has spent the past two years rehabbing and we don't know what he'll be. I'll take the draft pick and then hope Steve Cohen's money can two of Stroman and Scherzer/Gray/Rodon/Gausman to come here.



The Mets were always going to be the worst match for Syndergaard if he didn't take the QO because the moment he rejected it the Mets would have to be thinking that THEY were the ones giving up a second rounder if they signed him.

[batmagadanleadoff]

=nymr83 post_id=81188 time=1637098736 user_id=54]
I love THOR, but objectively he has spent the past two years rehabbing and we don't know what he'll be. I'll take the draft pick and then hope Steve Cohen's money can two of Stroman and Scherzer/Gray/Rodon/Gausman to come here.



The Mets were always going to be the worst match for Syndergaard if he didn't take the QO because the moment he rejected it the Mets would have to be thinking that THEY were the ones giving up a second rounder if they signed him.

[whippoorwill]

=MFS62 post_id=81178 time=1637093025 user_id=60]
Let's hope that draft pick turns into something better than a mediocre middle infielder.





Later

[Lefty Specialist]

Mr Met reacts to the loss of his sparring partner:



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[G-Fafif]

For starters, his electric inning of relief behind deGrom in the deciding game of the 2015 NLDS, the victory that catapulted that club from nice story to legitimate World Series contender.



That 1-0, 10-strikeout shutout in which he homered for his only run was as WHOA as it got.



Riding as Tonto to Yo's Lone Ranger in Spring Training was something else.

[G-Fafif]

It's real.

[Willets Point]

http://leaptoad.com/mets/gamedetail.php?gameno=9176September 14, 2018, Fenway Park. The Red Sox were on their way to 108 wins and a World Series championship. The Mets were probably already eliminated from postseason contention. But on this night, in a ballpark full of loud traveling fans from the 7 Line Army, the game was all Mets. Noah Syndergaard pitched 7 innings, allowing 3 hits and 0 runs with 6 strikeouts. Meanwhile, the Mets offense uncharacteristically went off and scored 8 runs. I cheered like an asshole for every Mets hit and every Syndergaard strikeout while my Red Sox-loving kids jammed their elbows in my ribs to try to get me to stop embarrassing them.

[Edgy MD]

Looking for a LIKE button to click on that post.

[Frayed Knot]

The Angels have agreed to terms on a one-year deal with RHP Noah Syndergaard.

So this means we can sign him next year after his post-surgical transitional season year where he pitches just 130 innings, right??

[Fman99]

Frayed Knot wrote: The Angels have agreed to terms on a one-year deal with RHP Noah Syndergaard. So this means we can sign him next year after his post-surgical transitional season year where he pitches just 130 innings, right??

Wait is he getting titties? I'm lost.

[bmfc1]

Great post, WP.



My memory is more contemporaneous: his public cry for a QO while saying that "it would be a tough pill to swallow not wearing a Mets jersey next year" and then signing elsewhere for more money without giving the Mets a chance to match or top the new offer. F him.

Edited November 17, 2021 by Guest

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Gotta say, first thing I remember is a Tuesday Night Mets game where Syndy gave up hard-hit single and doubles all over the field to the first four guys up in the first inning (Albies, Acuna, Freeman, etc) and we lost.



I recall his lunch getting thrown away by Wright.



His acquisition was a really good one and watching him on the rise has been fun. I was thinking though that he might turn into a closer at some point.

[bmfc1]

From Ken Rosenthal in The Athletic:

[bLOCKQUOTE]The industry reaction to the Angels agreeing with free-agent right-hander Noah Syndergaard on a one-year, $21 million contract was perhaps best summarized by one rival executive.

“F—— ludicrous,” the executive said.

The exec reasoned that Syndergaard, after throwing just two innings the past two seasons coming off Tommy John surgery, probably will be good for only about 125 innings next season. So, the Angels are paying a premium rate for a pitcher who will work only about 70 percent of a 180-inning workload, not that many starters even reach that total anymore (only 18 did in 2021).[/bLOCKQUOTE]

https://theathletic.com/2960213/2021/11/16/rosenthal-why-the-angels-signed-noah-syndergaard-to-a-big-one-year-deal/https://theathletic.com/2960213/2021/11/16/rosenthal-why-the-angels-signed-noah-syndergaard-to-a-big-one-year-deal/

[whippoorwill]

Nice memories



Please what is QO?

[Benjamin Grimm]

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[Ceetar]

"fucking ludicrous" is part of the CBA negotiation. (Also Eudoxie Mbouguiengue)



It's such a stupid statement that I can't believe (well I can, it's Ken Rosenthal) anyone is actually trying to spin it as universal industry reaction. Oh, 2.5 million above the QO rate is crazy? No, it's basically the same damn amount (not to Noah). Obviously a guy who's job it is to pay players as little as possible and preserve vast riches for owners is going to balk at a guy "unofficially" raising the QO rate.



But hey, Syndergaard put up 15 rWAR for the Mets and only got paid $30 million. that's a fucking steal. And yes, he's a pitcher and got Tommy John. That's common. You paid him $20 million to rehab? okay, but then you only spend $10 million for 15 rWAR which is outrageous.

[Edgy MD]

I'm trying to recall the NOAH'S BARK storyline. A little help?

[Benjamin Grimm]

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[bmfc1]

=whippoorwill post_id=81216 time=1637156317 user_id=79]
Please what is QO?

[metsmarathon]

=metsmarathon post_id=81165 time=1637085891 user_id=83]
well... i think i might have a new angels fan in the household. damnit. i was really hoping we'd be able to keep him. sentimentally, of course.

[Edgy MD]

Thanks for refreshing my memory on Syndergaard and Wilson Ramos. I had been misreading, thinking that "Ramos" was a batter that Syndergaard didn't want to pitch to.



Not an encouraging chapter.

[bmfc1]

From Keith Law in The Athletic:

[bLOCKQUOTE]I just don't understand the logic of giving Syndergaard a one-year deal, and surrendering a draft pick for it, when he is far more likely to be worth the investment in 2023 than in 2022, even if we're only talking about his potential workload. Maybe Syndergaard will be able to handle 30 starts and 170 innings in 2022, but that seems rather optimistic when he hasn't made a proper start at any level of baseball in two years and his last healthy season was also his least effective one.

...

The Mets, meanwhile, might have mixed feelings about seeing Syndergaard reject their qualifying offer after they'd invested time and money in rehabbing him from the surgery, but they do get another draft pick as compensation for his departure. Add that to the extra pick they'll get for not signing Kumar Rocker in the 2021 draft, and they could end up with one of the largest bonus pools of any team this winter — and that's before we know if Michael Conforto will reject the qualifying offer or return. (I think he should accept it, go have a typical Conforto year for the Mets, then go get a five- or six-year deal next winter.) The Mets should look for a back-end starter to replace the innings they might have gotten from Thor, but this isn't the worst outcome for the team, either.[/bLOCKQUOTE]

https://theathletic.com/2960809/2021/11/16/law-with-a-one-year-contract-noah-syndergaard-and-the-angels-arent-on-the-same-page/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983https://theathletic.com/2960809/2021/11/16/law-with-a-one-year-contract-noah-syndergaard-and-the-angels-arent-on-the-same-page/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983

[metsmarathon]

the qualifying offer is approx. an $18M one-year deal that teams can offer to their prospective free agents - at least those who were with the team for the entire year and had not accepted it previously. if the player accepts the offer, they're signed for a year at ~ $18M, after which they would be eligible to become a free agent once more. if they decline, and sign elsewhere, the team would get a compensation pick in the draft (typically 1st, 2nd, or 3rd round depending on... reasons??) to make up for having lost a player that was good enough to offer at least $18M to for one year.



for the record, i'm totally cool with noah begging for the QO, not taking it, and going elsewhere. because if we didn't offer it, we would've gotten nothing for losing him. he effectively did us a solid, in exchange for going elsewhere to get paid way more than he should have.