I Give Up: 2021

[G-Fafif]

On the YEA or NAY board in Continental Congress from 1776, the Secretary can move my tile to whichever one corresponds with QUIT.

[Centerfield]

Fire everyone.

[nymr83]

When is kickoff? what's that you say? Lawson done for the year? Curry too? even things that Rhyme with "Mets" are cursed.



Bring on the Knicks!

[metsmarathon]

i believe. i believe. it's silly, but i believe....

[MFS62]

Haven't given up yet, but the list of catalyst candidates is rapidly diminishing.

That last at bat dropped Pete off my list.



Later

[Fman99]

I haven't quit. I'm just mad because they suck so hard.

[smg58]

A number of guys have been playing with nagging injuries. McNeil looked like himself in July, but that was after playing part-time for a couple of weeks when he came back from the IL. After a couple of weeks in the lineup every day, he hit a brick wall again. I think having everybody back will make it possible to rotate people, and you'll start to see guys like McNeil, Conforto, Smith, and Lindor show signs of life. But they dug far too big of a hole this month and they will come up short.



I'm inclined to agree with CF's last comment as far as the front office and coaching staff are concerned. They've demonstrated quite emphatically that money isn't everything. Whoever convinced DeGrom that he needed to throw harder should be forbidden from ever entering another stadium, even if he purchases tickets. The only free agent I bring back is Stroman.

[Ceetar]

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I'm inclined to agree with CF's last comment as far as the front office and coaching staff are concerned. They've demonstrated quite emphatically that money isn't everything. Whoever convinced DeGrom that he needed to throw harder should be forbidden from ever entering another stadium, even if he purchases tickets. The only free agent I bring back is Stroman.

[Centerfield]

I wasn't kidding with the fire everyone statement. Let's assume for now that Steve Cohen has not meddled to Wilponian levels yet. That leaves hope that things can get righted.



Sandy has to be the first to go. He hired Mickey, he hired Jared Porter. Then right after saying he's gotta look at character and do more due diligence, he went hard after Trevor Bauer. The McCann signing only made sense with the implication that big things would follow. Then they did not. George Springer has a .972 OPS. Javy Baez wasn't having a great season, then has gotten worse since getting here (more about the "approach" later). His big offseason acquisition has been a bust. Bye Sandy.



Whoever is responsible for the offense's "approach" has to go. All year long, they talked about how the results were there, but the approach was correct. WTF. As far as I can tell, the approach appears to be "let's ground into the shift, like all the time" or "let's swing and miss at fastballs down the dick".



Zach Scott? Tim Scott? He's so forgettable I can't even remember his name. His one defining quality is that he looks like he calendared the press conference for the next day and had to be woken up from his nap and rushed into the press room.



Luis Rojas. No explanation necessary.



Heads have to roll.

[metsmarathon]

our offensive approach should be to turn on videos of the 2015 world series and look at how we got beat. by hitters hitting the damned ball, and beating good pitching. not by swinging for home runs on every pitch that you guess might just be a strike down the middle, after the pitcher clearly demonstrated on the prior 10 pitches in the at bat that he couldn't find the strike zone if it crawled up his ass and gave him a prostate exam.



Our approach has been garbage all year, longer even (decades? it's been decades sine we last drove in a runner on third with less than two outs, hasn't it?), and we keep chasing for heeeyoooj home runs instead of making contact and moving runners. even our good hitters got sucked down that rabbit hole. and pete, god love him, needs to dial it back every now and again too. just because you can mash the ball out of jellystone park on any given swing doesn't mean that you need to. sometimes you just need to hit the damned ball and move the runners along.



i'm down everyone right now. but i'm irrational and totally go whichever way the winds blow. i'm also often wrong. that's why i still believe.



that said, yeesh, how do you bring anybody back who isn't stroman? ok, loup - he's been good. but is also a reliever, so how much do you want to pay there?



conforto? syndergaard? how can you trust either of those guys right now? granted i don't know whats out there that could be better. likely not a lot, right?

familia? villar? rich hill? pass.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

As the season goes along I'm getting the impression that the club identified the problems with the hitting approach before this year even started (as explained they wanted to make a move but gave Chili a few weeks).



What's happened since is they haven't been satisfied by the buy-in from the players. Same thing with the injuries if you read between the lines of Scott's remarks a few weeks back.



The rat-racoon and Donnie: Shenanigans from a club that has lost its way and don't take shit from nobody. They're like Trump supporters.



Adding: This doesn't absolve the front office/management from responsibility for this disaster, because their solutions clearly haven't worked. But I dunno. We know McNeil is hardheaded and been jerked around and punched in the face on camera by a guy who's definitely going nowhere, Conforto is a Boras free-agent-to-be, Smith would probably prefer to be a first baseman somewhere and Davis is probably unnerved by all the trade talk. They all believe they're good hitters naturally and you'd presume their inclination would be to fall back on what they know when things get difficult for them. Alonso is a weird case in that he's so one-dimensional, but its a good dimension to have. But boy is he an easy out sometimes.



Good line Jellystone park!

[Ceetar]

McNeil and Smith are really the crux of this. The other guys are mostly fine (Alonso is who he is, Conforto and Lindor have been back to normal, and Nimmo and Davis are basically their usual good-hitting selfs) or actually not very good overall so it's hard to say which is approach and which is just suck. This includes Villar, Pillar, Nido, Guillorme... McCann is probably just bad. So five good hitters and 1 that sucks when we're healthy, with McNeil and Smith falling on the bad side of things, and REALLY bad for the most part. And the five good hitters haven't really been healthy together until Tuesday of this week, or early in the season when Conforto and Lindor were scuffling, but the team was winning. Sure, they could've won more games then and be in a better position now, but I think there's more to be said about Lindor and Conforto reverting to being GOOD than killing McNeil and Smith (or McCann) for not, the first two have much longer track records.



This is where the hope lies. With Lindor back, we should have Lindor, Conforto, Nimmo, Alonso, and Davis hitting the ball well. Baez isn't great but he's not as terrible as Smith was, who's the guy that's mostly losing playing time. So if McNeil can just be okay, and McCann can come back to at least make C not an auto-out, the Mets SHOULD score more runs. Will it happen? who knows.

[Lefty Specialist]

This team needs to be roto-rootered. Agreed that Sandy needs to go for starters, quickly followed by Rojas. If Scott was so good, he would have had the interim tag removed, and he hasn't. And that's just the front office.



QO's to Conforto and Thor. They both have a lot to prove, and if they leave you get picks that hopefully the next front office will know how to use wisely.



Get deGrom the surgery he probably needs by now. One of Dom Smith or JD Davis needs to be traded-you can't have two DH's. I think Stroman's shown enough to be resigned but would he want to stay?



You're stuck with Carrasco since he has no value. And please, no Baez. If he's signed, that means Lindor is running the team, with all that implies.

[Marshmallowmilkshake]

I don't think Sandy's going anywhere, and I don't think he should have to. I think the same about Rojas. It's not Zack Scott's fault you can't remember his name.



There are some years where you are just killed by by injuries. It wasn't just that the front-line guys were lost, it was all the depth behind them -- Lucchesi Yamomoto -- also got hurt. Is there anyone who hasn't been on the IL this season? Dom, maybe? You can predict that some of these guys are going to get hurt. Heck, they couldn't even hold on to the depth signings because they kept getting claimed off waivers.



But you can't predict they all would get hurt. Just like you can predict that some of them might have an off year, but you can't predict they all would have off years.



I don't want to let Conforto walk away and have him get his head back on straight and become a monster player for another team. We know how good Syndergaard is when he is going well.



The Shea Anything podcast made it seem like everyone is getting tired of McNeil's inability to control his temper so I wouldn't be surprised if he is part of a trade package.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Change of scenery trade for McNeil, probably to the kinda team that could use a gritty all-arounder (Pittsburgh) and/or one that can look beyond blemishes for the performance (Oakland)-- we'll take less than they hope to get back, tho.



Boras certain to auction Conforto, I see him going to Seattle. Mets counter and sign Castellanos who opts out of Cincy.



The DH could solve a few things for us if we still believe in Smith/Davis.



I think Baez is back (right handed power, good glove if flawed in many ways, but buddies with Lindor).



I think they will try and retain Syndy & Stro and probably Walker too but not sure who the FA starters are this time around.



The Front Office gets a permanent GM, Scott becomes his assistant (maybe) and they make the call on Rojas. Sandy sticks around in emeritus role he was sorta meant to have.

[Lefty Specialist]

Walker signed a two year deal, so he'll be back.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

oh good

[MFS62]

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: The DH could solve a few things for us if we still believe in Smith/Davis.

(cough) Cano (cough)



Later

[The Hot Corner]

Lefty Specialist wrote: This team hasn't demonstrated enough that they can even finish at .500, let alone the playoffs. Fork, meet Mets.

I will be surprised if this team finishes at .500. The only hitters I have any faith in, are Nimmo and Alonso.





As I type that, Pete launches a bomb down the line to tie the game.

[bmfc1]

They are now playing for next year. Bye Luis.



Re: the comments about Sandy: whether it was Sandy or the fired guy, whoever said, "let's grab McCann now instead of waiting for Realmuto otherwise we might end up with neither" not only should be fired he should never be allowed to work in baseball again.

[LWFS]

Yeah, after tonight-- without even the token, win-the-third-game moral series victory-- I give.



Of course, we have tickets tomorrow. So... that'll be fun.

[Ceetar]

They are now playing for next year. Bye Luis. Re: the comments about Sandy: whether it was Sandy or the fired guy, whoever said, "let's grab McCann now instead of waiting for Realmuto otherwise we might end up with neither" not only should be fired he should never be allowed to work in baseball again.

I mean Sandy should be fired for the hand-waving sexual harassment, but his baseball stuff isn't great either.

[Centerfield]

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Zach Scott? Tim Scott? He's so forgettable I can't even remember his name. His one defining quality is that he looks like he calendared the press conference for the next day and had to be woken up from his nap and rushed into the press room.

[duan]

Call me out if they lose this

[kcmets]

Uncle, and expecting an embarrassing weekend just to stick the fork in deeper.

[Lefty Specialist]

In the past few days they've had winnable games against bad teams on days that the Braves and Phillies both lost. And yes, they're going to get spanked by the MFY's this weekend.

[Willets Point]

Not giving up.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

I don't beleive they will get Spank-eed but Diaz is doing all he can for Team Take This Season And Shove It

[Frayed Knot]

It's unlikely (has been for weeks) but I'm hanging in.

And the Yanx have lost five including two of three to Baltimore (who were mathematically eliminated from the AL East on Mother's Day) so I ain't going cowering in fear at the sight of pinstripes.

[metsmarathon]

fuck the yankees