The Trevor Bauer is a Douchebag Thread

[Benjamin Grimm]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Trevor Bauer has been suspended without pay for the next two years by MLB, pending appeal. His administrative leave, which was with pay, does not count as time served. Wow! Is there any precedent for something like this? Not sure. When (IIRC)Mickey Mantle and Willie Mays were "out of baseball" for their association with a casino, was that considered a suspension? Later

Well, Mays and Mantle weren't highly paid active players at the time of their banishment or suspension. That's the key difference here.



The Dodgers are saving a shit-ton of money if this holds up.

[Gwreck]

This is not legal advice, but: there are often limitations on the ability to sue when you are an employee under a CBA, e.g., the idea is that you have a grievance/appeal process under the agreement that your union collectively bargained for.



But Bauer has also hired a top flight litigation firm and has sued his accuser as well as a couple of different media outlets…so a suit against MLB, even if it had an inherent low chance of success, would not be a giant shock.

[nymr83]

Even if you believe the allegations Bauer is not the worst offender MLB has punished and yet he is getting BY FAR the biggest punishment ever. This smells of Manfred thinking some combination of "I want to set an example of a player and it just happens to be you!" and "How dare you not reach a settlement with ME the great and powerful commissioner! FEEL MY POWER!"

[Gwreck]

Disagree. Assuming the allegations are proven (under the standard for MLB investigations) then the punishment makes sense.



Because, assuming again the allegations have been proven, there is a total lack of contrition, as well as aggravating circumstances (eg. previous instances of poor judgment, imprudent/improper behavior on social media).

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Washington Post reporting similar allegations from another woman

[Edgy MD]

Well, shit.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

She's produced a damning text as well

[Edgy MD]

Yeah, https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2022/04/29/trevor-bauer-abuse-accusations/reading the account, consensual or not, it sure seems like only luck or providence has kept him from killing somebody.

[Frayed Knot]

iow, MLB is saying that they don't care if it was decided that there wasn't enough to go to trial on that first case, that ain't all they're working with.

[nymr83]

Disagree. Assuming the allegations are proven (under the standard for MLB investigations) then the punishment makes sense. Because, assuming again the allegations have been proven, there is a total lack of contrition, as well as aggravating circumstances (eg. previous instances of poor judgment, imprudent/improper behavior on social media).

I dont agree at all. This is a baseball groupie who sought him out and kept reaching out to him when he left things be after the first time. "fake ass contrition" that most people show isn't a mitigating circumstance. "aggravating circumstance" is when you abuse your spouse/live-in-gf/other woman who is reliant on you, or lives with you, or has a kid with you like Jose Reyes (who some of you still love) - someone who can't easily get away and certainly wasn't seeking more

[nymr83]

Frayed Knot wrote: iow, MLB is saying that they don't care if it was decided that there wasn't enough to go to trial on that first case, that ain't all they're working with.

well i don't anything about this second woman, all i've seen is that there is a 2nd accuser somewhere. certainly possible her story makes more sense than the first one

[Marshmallowmilkshake]

He'll never play again. I'm very OK with that.

[seawolf17]

Good. Fuck off, Trevor.

[Willets Point]

To think that just a year ago people were aggrieved that this douchebag wasn't signed by the Mets. Biggest bullet dodged ever!

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

To be fair I wanted the best pitcher available and not this douche, necessarily

[batmagadanleadoff]

Willets Point wrote: To think that just a year ago people were aggrieved that this douchebag wasn't signed by the Mets. Biggest bullet dodged ever!

At the time, the pursuit of Bauer was the right thing to do. That the Mets lost out to the Dodgers ... that the Dodgers ultimately signed Bauer, and not the Mets ... is probably proof.



MLB would've lost its fucking mind had Cohen signed both Lindor and Bauer in the same off-season.

[Gwreck]

After arbitration, Bauer's suspension was reduced from 324 games to 194 games. This covers 144 games of the 2022 season (already served), plus a 50-game “time served” credit from when he was on paid administrative leave (not playing but getting paid).



He is reinstated, but docked pay for the first 50 games of 2023. He is under contract with the Dodgers at $32M for 2023.

[Edgy MD]

Good job digging up the ol' thread.



I certainly wouldn't be surprised to see the Dodgers eat that.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Edgy MD wrote: I certainly wouldn't be surprised to see the Dodgers eat that.

It was understood that Bauer was never gonna play for the Dodgers ever again, no matter what the outcome of his hearing. The Dodgers are done with him.

[nymr83]

The Dodgers can afford to eat that both financially and as far as losing his talent. I wonder which team will decide the talent is worth the baggage?

[metirish]

Always take Bob's tweets with a pinch of salt

[Benjamin Grimm]

=nymr83 post_id=115400 time=1671773092 user_id=54]
I wonder which team will decide the talent is worth the baggage?

[Frayed Knot]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: =nymr83 post_id=115400 time=1671773092 user_id=54] I wonder which team will decide the talent is worth the baggage?

Would we be all that surprised if it turned out to be the Mets?

[metsmarathon]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: =nymr83 post_id=115400 time=1671773092 user_id=54] I wonder which team will decide the talent is worth the baggage?

Would we be all that surprised if it turned out to be the Mets?

[A Boy Named Seo]

This thread was tough to revisit. The video where Bauer tries to explain everything away is nauseating.



Glad it sounds like the Dodgers will move swiftly on from him. I don't want to see his ass on my TV this year, or ever again TBH. And I can't imagine any woman who's been hit by a man would either.





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Also, I hope LFWS and Seawolf get over their hiatuses soon.

[nymr83]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: =nymr83 post_id=115400 time=1671773092 user_id=54] I wonder which team will decide the talent is worth the baggage?

Would we be all that surprised if it turned out to be the Mets?

[nymr83]

A Boy Named Seo wrote: This thread was tough to revisit. The video where Bauer tries to explain everything away is nauseating. Glad it sounds like the Dodgers will move swiftly on from him. I don't want to see his ass on my TV this year, or ever again TBH. And I can't imagine any woman who's been hit by a man would either. ~~~ Also, I hope LFWS and Seawolf get over their hiatuses soon.

If we're making a wish list I want Vic Sage back to discuss the Knicks.



Bauer claims everything that happened was consensual. There have been past abusers of women - Jose Reyes in particular - who had no such defense. Why is it that only Bauer seems to get the "I never even want to see him again treatment"? Did ANYONE say that about Reyes when the Mets brought him back?

[A Boy Named Seo]

A Boy Named Seo wrote: This thread was tough to revisit. The video where Bauer tries to explain everything away is nauseating. Glad it sounds like the Dodgers will move swiftly on from him. I don't want to see his ass on my TV this year, or ever again TBH. And I can't imagine any woman who's been hit by a man would either. ~~~ Also, I hope LFWS and Seawolf get over their hiatuses soon. If we're making a wish list I want Vic Sage back to discuss the Knicks. Bauer claims everything that happened was consensual. There have been past abusers of women - Jose Reyes in particular - who had no such defense. Why is it that only Bauer seems to get the "I never even want to see him again treatment"? Did ANYONE say that about Reyes when the Mets brought him back?

I don't have a count for who felt one way about Reyes and another about Bauer. I don't want to see any abuser on my TV, though I'm glad Reyes was at least contrite and hope he put in some work. Regardless, I don't root for dudes who think beating the shit out of women is sexy. You?

[batmagadanleadoff]

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Regardless, I don't root for dudes who think beating the shit out of women is sexy. You?

I'm with you. I'd imagine that most people would find Bauer's behavior not only repulsive and despicable, but also incomprehensible.



Still, Bauer's case should or should've been decided based on principles of fairness and justice, not based on what you or I like or don't like. If his accuser consented, than Bauer should be exonerated. One guy on this forum (read this thread) argued for punishment because of how badly his accuser was beat up. Which to me, is absurd. If she consented, she consented and her consent should give Bauer a complete defense so long as a person is legally allowed to consent to the behavior she consented to. It shouldn't matter how badly she was beat up if she gave legal consent.



Otherwise, we might as well have a stupid rule where a boxer is allowed to beat up his opponent -- but not too badly. And if the boxer beats up his opponent too badly, he goes to jail.



Anyways, an MLB hearing is not like a criminal courtroom hearing or trial. The rules of evidence in baseball are very different -- laxer -- and MLB's standards for what's permissible and what's not are very different from the regular real world. I believed Bauer's defense from the start after reading the public material very thoroughly. It's telling that he wasn't charged criminally, especially with him being a wealthy celebrity. Prosecutors love to go after big shots.



Also, I think Bauer's MLB career is over. He's a pariah. And I hate to use such inflexible words like "never" because everybody, I mean, everybody comes back. Tonya Harding. PeeWee Herman. Everybody. But I don't think Bauer will.



Close to 7,000 view here? Wow. That's a lot, isn't it?

[A Boy Named Seo]

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Regardless, I don't root for dudes who think beating the shit out of women is sexy. You? I'm with you. I'd imagine that most people would find Bauer's behavior not only repulsive and despicable, but also incomprehensible. Still, Bauer's case should or should've been decided based on principles of fairness and justice, not based on what you or I like or don't like. If his accuser consented, than Bauer should be exonerated. One guy on this forum (read this thread) argued for punishment because of how badly his accuser was beat up. Which to me, is absurd. If she consented, she consented and her consent should give Bauer a complete defense so long as a person is legally allowed to consent to the behavior she consented to. It shouldn't matter how badly she was beat up if she gave legal consent. Otherwise, we might as well have a stupid rule where a boxer is allowed to beat up his opponent -- but not too badly. And if the boxer beats up his opponent too badly, he goes to jail. Anyways, an MLB hearing is not like a criminal courtroom hearing or trial. The rules of evidence in baseball are very different -- laxer -- and MLB's standards for what's permissible and what's not are very different from the regular real world. I believed Bauer's defense from the start after reading the public material very thoroughly. It's telling that he wasn't charged criminally, especially with him being a wealthy celebrity. Prosecutors love to go after big shots. Also, I think Bauer's MLB career is over. He's a pariah. And I hate to use such inflexible words like "never" because everybody, I mean, everybody comes back. Tonya Harding. PeeWee Herman. Everybody. But I don't think Bauer will. Close to 7,000 view here? Wow. That's a lot, isn't it?

When you talk about his case, I'm guessing you mean his suspension with MLB? The LA DA didn't press charges against him, so maybe his legal case was "decided based on principles of fairness and justice" and he wasn't arrested. Good for you, Trev. MLB, which we saw with Bauer, can administer punishment with or without charges or arrests (this looks like the MLB domestic violence policy http://content.mlb.com/documents/2/9/2/296982292/Major_League_Player_Joint_DV_SA_CA_Policy_English_2018.pdfhere). The league can interpret their own policy however they want, I guess. And they suspended the dude, Bauer appealed and it got reduced. Good for you again, Trev.



On consent, I think it's critically important we all keep in mind that a woman can consent and change her mind. A woman can consent multiple times and still change her mind. Especially if her face is being bashed in after giving consent. There's also a lot of discussion around power dynamics with the increasing volume of #metoo and Trevor had SO MUCH POWER over his accusers, from his status as celebrity and how he'd already wielded that power online against critics, and also the abject fear his accusers probably felt, if he hurt them in any way beyond what they had agreed to take part in. There's a lot to consider when reading texts or hearing him grunt "she consented".



All that's to say, it's now in the hands of potential employers and if the Dodgers or any other team doesn't want to hire Trevor Bauer to be an employee and represent their brand, then sorry, Trev, you can eat rocks. And there will be a TONS of noise from conscientious fans if any team comes sniffing around him, as there should be.



TL;DR Trevor Bauer is still a Douchebag and can suck a fuck