Let's talk about Trevor Bauer

[Fman99]

I'd like him more if he wasn't such a shitty online troll. I mean, that's OUR job, not his.

[Marshmallowmilkshake]

Interestinig Talkin' Baseball podcast today, focusing on pine tar use by pitchers to increase spin rate. Bauer supposedly was a big user this year. MLB is looking the other way at this point. But if it ever decides to crack down on it, the thought is Bauer will go from Cy Young to medicore.



I don't understand the batters who glop it on all over the place, then get it all over their uniforms and helmets.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Bob Klapsich wrote: #Mets are moving closer to George Springer and/or Trevor Bauer. Ultimate target is TBD. I'm told @StevenACohen2 is leaning towards Springer; Alderson would like to sign Bauer. Either one would be a huge upgrade in Flushing.

I'm rooting for AND over OR.

[LWFS]

He IS a Trevor, and we could always use another 1-4 of those

[MFS62]

Jon Heyman is telling us the asking price - a LOT!

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/mlb-rumors-trevor-bauers-asking-133848521.htmlhttps://www.yahoo.com/sports/mlb-rumors-trevor-bauers-asking-133848521.html

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[Marshmallowmilkshake]

There's no way anyone is going to give Bauer $40 million a year. I wonder if he risks teams hearing that and moving on.

[Centerfield]

He then attacked Heyman on Twitter for reporting this.



This guy might be a bit of a dick.

[A Boy Named Seo]

=Centerfield post_id=52981 time=1609343139 user_id=65]
He then attacked Heyman on Twitter for reporting this.



This guy might be a bit of a dick.

[Edgy MD]

The delusion that the right to free speech means you are protected from having to account for what you speak (or write) is degrading so much. Community can't survive lying with impunity.



You know what was a good adjective that isn't used much any more? "No-account." I'm bringing it back.

[Centerfield]

I comfortable with a Bauer-less winter. Get me Springer, Sugano, Brad Hand and a reclamation project starter and I'm good.



Lindor, Bryant or Arenado without giving up too much would be icing on the cake.

[Lefty Specialist]

A Boy Named Seo wrote: =Centerfield post_id=52981 time=1609343139 user_id=65] He then attacked Heyman on Twitter for reporting this. This guy might be a bit of a dick.

Yeah there's a lot of ways to say that something's untrue without coming off like a snotty prick like Trevor did. He may end up being a Met and a pretty good one, but I don't see any way this dude doesn't have another couple tantrums in him going forward. Like, this is how he acts when he's a free agent and everything's rosy and everyone is courting him?

[TransMonk]

Lefty Specialist wrote: ...the dickishness is really going to show up in the New York press.

This is a major item on my Bauer "con" list, too. I am hoping for less dickishness in my life.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Baseball Prospectus 2020 commentary on Trevor Bauer heading into the 2020 season (player comments are typically at least one paragraph long):



"For all the coverage concerning Bauer, we now have a lot of data - 1,117 innings worth - suggesting he's a mid-rotation starter. "

[A Boy Named Seo]

Baseball Prospectus 2020 commentary on Trevor Bauer heading into the 2020 season (player comments are typically at least one paragraph long): "For all the coverage concerning Bauer, we now have a lot of data - 1,117 innings worth - suggesting he's a mid-rotation starter. "

Bauer's a little like McCann, though, in that his best work is his most recent work. ‘18 and ‘20 are top-of-the-rotation numbers. His behavior seems to be mid-rotation for sure.

[Edgy MD]

His behavior is position-player-throwing-a-mopup-ninth from where I sit.



As for his best work, I look at it as if his agent is Lionel Hutz saying, "Hey, he won a Cy Young in 2020, and that was kind of a season."

[ashie62]

Bauer is a dbag. Nothing more nothing less. Pass.

[nymr83]

Ken Rosenthal with a new article on The Athletic today suggesting the Mets are hot for Bauer again with the Springer sweepstakes over.



Lets get it done!

[Fman99]

I still want no part of this guy.

[Lefty Specialist]

After firing Porter for harassment, bringing Bauer on might be problematic if they truly have a 'zero-tolerance' policy.

[nymr83]

Lefty Specialist wrote: After firing Porter for harassment, bringing Bauer on might be problematic if they truly have a 'zero-tolerance' policy.

Tolerance towards sexual harassment of women and tolerance towards being a jerk on Twitter arent the same

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

I kinda wanna see it happen just for the shits, giggles and 18 different pitches

[Frayed Knot]

Yeah, I'm not nearly as down on the idea of Bauer as many of the rest of you. He's a bit unorthodox, but he's also smart, he's competitive, and he's good.

And while talking trash to folks on Twitter isn't my cup of tea, I also don't read Twitter so (within reason) it's unlikely to bother me.

Besides, isn't that why Twitter was invented, to talk stupid to folks?

[Benjamin Grimm]

I was able to root for Lenny Dykstra, so I think I could root for Trevor Bauer.

[smg58]

Bauer has had a bunch of "eh" seasons and two very good ones. The first good season was 2018, where he had a HR/FB rate that was way lower than any other year. The second was last year, where his BABIP was .215 -- again, way lower than any other year. I think the best case scenario for him is an ERA that averages in the low threes. So basically, you could justify giving him what Wheeler got. Anything more than that is asking for serious trouble.



But even then, we already have DeGrom, Carrasco, Stroman, Peterson, and probably Syndergaard for the second half. Given that you could have gotten a high-quality righthanded bat who's at least average with the glove in center, or you could have gotten Realmuto instead of McCann, would Bauer really give the team the best upgrade for the money? I think the answer is no.

[bmfc1]

smg58 makes a salient point: if Bauer then why not Realmuto or Springer? ... unless Bauer's price has gone way down and now he's too good to pass up, any problems notwithstanding.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Because you dont know how the Mets are defining "value". How fluky do they think Mccann's improvement is? Or do they think that maybe he Daniel Murphy'd his way into a new and better level of good? And how much of the price or salary is included in value. It might be more for one team than for another. So how true is it that the Mets are gonna focus on quality instead of the price? Also, Realmuto and Springer are off the board so I'm not sure how relevant it is to compare Bauer's potential contract to the contracts of those two. And maybe the Mets were counting on getting some of their cumulative team value from Realmuto or Springer but now are trying to make it up through Bauer. Also, we might never know, but maybe the Mets fucked up the Realmuto and Springer negotiations by playing too cute or too hard to get or by not acting with enough urgency and now regret it.

[batmagadanleadoff]

I'll tell you this much, the Realmuto whiff never made much sense to me, especially the line that they wouldn't have been able to trade for Lindor if they had signed Realmuto instead of McCann.

[ashie62]

Trevor Bauer is an elite pitcher. I see deGrom/Bauer as better than deGrom/Syndergaard.



I have to believe Bauer's price has come down.



Spend on an SP1 before thinking of Realmuto or Springer. McCann is a nice fit at C as it stands.

[Edgy MD]

I think the evidence that Bauer is an elite pitcher is mixed at best, and quite possibly could be better described as specious.



I think the evidence that he's a malicious troll is much stronger, and that's going to be a hard thing to reconcile with the Mets trumpeting their alleged "zero tolerance" policy.

[ashie62]

He is a malicious troll for sure. his twitter tantrums speak to this.



On any given day he is as good as they come.



Those "given days" do not seem to happen on any type of consistent basis.



He may be the best out there for this moment but Joey Luchesse may be also.