Baseball Hall of Fame 2020

[Guest 41Forever]

This is going to get ugly! You know people are going to demand to know who did it.

[smg58]

To be fair, I would have voted for Jeter. But the litany of Yankee-fan friends asking "Who was the asshole?" on Facebook is highly entertaining.

[batmagadanleadoff]

To be fair, I would have voted for Jeter. But the litany of Yankee-fan friends asking "Who was the asshole?" ....

It's the same person who didn't vote for Babe Ruth and Willie Mays and Hank Aaron and Tom Seaver. What? Derek Jeter is the G.O.A.T.?

[Guest 41Forever]

This is kind of funny. Instead of soft rain falling about intangibles there are storms of anger about the one voter. The demand for perfection actually set Jeter up for failure. Instead of celebrating the 99.7 percent, they're focused on the one he was denied.

[Frayed Knot]

As much fun as MFY-angst can be, the difference between 99.7% and 100% is negligible and I have no problem that the long-standing taboo against unanimous selections was finally broken, should have happened

decades ago. The fact that 20-some voters failed to cast a ballot for Mays doesn't make Jeter the better player, it only means that today's panel has wiser voters.



My two major concerns with this vote were those writers willfully admitting to trying to create a Jeter-and-only-Jeter class, as if sharing the stage with someone else would somehow be a stain on HIS day. Voters

who took votes away from other deserving candidates, including from ones they had voted for in the past, just so as to create this (attempted) artificial and contrived 'honor' deserve to be horse-whipped for using

that logic.



The other is, had Jeets achieved a perfect score, that there would be a move to return back to the days of 'no first-timers' so that the 100% 'honor' forever remain the property of Rivera and Jeter. Much of the

'no first-timers' garbage existed from those DiMaggio worshipers who reasoned that if Joe D didn't go in on his first ballot (there were several reasons for this as the process was different back then) then no one

else should either. Having finally busted that stupid logic, it would be far worse to start an even dumber standard.

[MFS62]

Like many ground balls, the opportunity for unanimous election passed Jeter by.



Later

[Vic Sage]

the internet witch hunt for the PWDVFJ (person who didn't vote for Jeter) is like that Netflix show, "dont' fuck with cats". God help the reporter who doesn't bow down at the pinstripe altar. The MFY fan angst over this is the only thing making it tolerable.



Also, congrats to Larry Walker, Ted Simmons and Marvin Miller. I thought their inductions were all long overdue.

[seawolf17]

I love that the one vote has sent MFY fans into apoplexy, because that tells me a lot more about those fans than it does about the Hall, CI, or the voting process.

[stevejrogers]

=seawolf17 post_id=30287 time=1579706896 user_id=91]
I love that the one vote has sent MFY fans into apoplexy, because that tells me a lot more about those fans than it does about the Hall, CI, or the voting process.

[Fman99]

I totally didn't vote for Jeter. He can eat a bag of stewed assholes.

[Willets Point]

Coming this summer to Cooperstown, NY: WOODSTOCK FOR DOUCHEBAGS!!!

[Ceetar]

=seawolf17 post_id=30287 time=1579706896 user_id=91]
I love that the one vote has sent MFY fans into apoplexy, because that tells me a lot more about those fans than it does about the Hall, CI, or the voting process.

[G-Fafif]

Larry Walker will go in as a Rockie.



Derek Jeter will go in as an irritant.

[stevejrogers]

=G-Fafif post_id=30342 time=1579724040 user_id=55]
Larry Walker will go in as a Rockie.

[Ceetar]

Helton's a hall of famer too, as far as I'm concerned.

[Lefty Specialist]

=seawolf17 post_id=30287 time=1579706896 user_id=91]
I love that the one vote has sent MFY fans into apoplexy, because that tells me a lot more about those fans than it does about the Hall, CI, or the voting process.

[nymr83]

=MFS62 post_id=30275 time=1579657681 user_id=60]
Like many ground balls, the opportunity for unanimous election passed Jeter by.



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[Edgy MD]

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[Guest 41Forever]

Anthony Rieber is one of the outraged over who the non-voter was. I love the "in light of the Jeter situation."



https://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/baseball-hall-of-fame-anonymous-voting-derek-jeter-1.40905680https://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/baseball-hall-of-fame-anonymous-voting-derek-jeter-1.40905680

Hall of Fame chairman of the board Jane Forbes Clark was then asked if the Hall was comfortable with that in light of the Jeter situation. “Yes, we are,” she said. Earlier, Jeter had been asked what he “would like to ask or say to the one writer who didn't vote for you.” There was laughter in the room. But not from Jeter. “See, that's where our minds are a little bit different,” Jeter said. “I focus on the ones who did.”

Now keep in mind, it's not like Jeter was one vote shy of being elected. He's obviously in. It's not like the Hall plaques denote the voting percentage. Ralph Kiner, who I believe was rounded up to 75 percent, has the same kind of plaque as the first-ballot guys, and the Veteran's Committee picks are the same as the BBWAA-selected guys. So as long as he is in, why is there this need for vote-shaming the person?



Even more outrageous, Rieber one of the guys who voted ONLY for Jeter because he thought Jeter should stand alone, even though he has voted in the past for other players on the ballot. That's a stunt ballot. That's a lame "Look at me" kind of thing.

Derek Jeter was a singular player and person in baseball history. He deserves to stand alone at the podium as the entire Hall of Fame Class of 2020 on July 26 in Cooperstown.

If you ask me, Reiber should be more ashamed of his ballot than the person who didn't vote for Jeter.





Then you get people calling for people to be stripped of their voting. https://yanksgoyard.com/2020/01/23/mlb-wont-release-writer-didnt-vote-yankees-jeter/https://yanksgoyard.com/2020/01/23/mlb-wont-release-writer-didnt-vote-yankees-jeter/

Unfortunately, Hall of Fame voting is based on opinions, not facts. An illustrious player's CV is not enough, alone, to get them into Cooperstown (Curt Schilling). Should a writer use their vote as a ploy to self-satisfy, then they should be stripped of the privilege to determine who stands among the games all-time greats.

Of course his headline reveals he doesn't even understand the process, or event basic grammar.



MLB won't release name of writer that didn't vote for Yankees Derek Jeter



First, it should be the writer who didn't vote for Jeter, not that.



But MLB isn't even involved. The BBWAA runs the process.



At least he confesses this:

As a boy turned man that idolized Jeter, proudly wearing his jersey, imitating his batting stance and forever referring to him as my favorite player, I will do my best to solely focus on the fact that Jeets is months away from being enshrined as just the 26th shortstop ever.

[batmagadanleadoff]

=Anthony Rieber]Derek Jeter was a singular player and person in baseball history. He deserves to stand alone at the podium as the entire Hall of Fame Class of 2020 on July 26 in Cooperstown.

[Ceetar]

'Character Clause' means that it's okay to leave Jeter off. Means it's an opinion. Means ..



.. means that this is just baseball's version of the Academy Awards and is basically just a self-serving way for writer's to have something to talk about in the offseason.

[nymr83]

First, it should be the writer who didn't vote for Jeter, not that.

You don't know that, unless you are sure that all baseball writers are people. And if you think that is true, I give you Exhibit A: Anthony Rieber

[Frayed Knot]

Baseball's HoF is expected, in the next few days, to announce the postponement of the 2020 induction ceremonies with the idea that this year's class would be inducted along with the

2021 class next summer ... meaning of course that not only is Derek Jeter not going to go in as a solo act but will now be forced to share his date with even more lesser mortals.



In the immortal words of Colonel Kurtz: 'The horror ... the horror'

[MFS62]

Frayed Knot wrote: Baseball's HoF is expected, in the next few days, to announce the postponement of the 2020 induction ceremonies with the idea that this year's class would be inducted along with the 2021 class next summer ... meaning of course that not only is Derek Jeter not going to go in as a solo act but will now be forced to share his date with even more lesser mortals. In the immortal words of Colonel Kurtz: 'The horror ... the horror'

Oh goody*. By then there will be a movement to vote him into the executives wing, too.

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* = SM= 96%

[Guest 41Forever]

So, there are no obvious first-ballot guys next year. I think Bonds, Clemens and Schilling will be in their ninth year. If Bonds or Clemens get in, that controversy would completely overshadow St. Derek at the 2021 ceremony.



Or, will writers not vote for those guys for that very reason?

[MFS62]

So, there are no obvious first-ballot guys next year. I think Bonds, Clemens and Schilling will be in their ninth year. If Bonds or Clemens get in, that controversy would completely overshadow St. Derek at the 2021 ceremony. Or, will writers not vote for those guys for that very reason?

There are other, better, reasons not to vote for them. (Steroids and "would I want my kids to grow up to be like them?" A/K/A asshole factor come to mind)

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[Ceetar]

neither of which has anything to do with how good they were.

[MFS62]

=Ceetar post_id=36165 time=1588257009 user_id=102]
neither of which has anything to do with how good they were.

[Benjamin Grimm]

The statistics show how good they were, but that alone doesn't make them worthy of being honored.

[metsmarathon]

there's really no reason not to put schilling in the hall.



he has shitty opinions, and has done shitty things since he's retired, but who the fuck cares. it's not the hall of peacably-retired, progressive minds. what he did on the field merits inclusion.



also worthy of inclusion in 2021 are rolen, helton, and andruw jones.



i still believe there's an argument to be made in favor of bonds and clemens, or at least i think there's still a discussion to be had. whether or not it changes any opinions is another matter entirely.



personally, i have an easier time putting those two in than sosa and many others, as it's clear their greatness was established before they started using, or at least before it is collectively understood that they started using. i'm not entirely sure that i'm ready to see either of them in the hall, mind you, but i can understand the arguments for it.