Edgy MD Site Manager Posted December 11, 2013 Posted December 11, 2013 Outside in and inside out, you're my Met!Fat and forty, but Lordy, you're my Met!From your feet to your head you knock me dead, you're my Met!I got you covered but baby, you're my Met!In the days of old, when fans were bold They were pious and modest I'm told Can't you see that couldn't be me?I'd have to talk about your yams and your big fat hams!It excites me so, because I know you're my Met!Fat and forty, but Lordy, you're my Met!In the days of old, when fans were bold They were pious and modest I'm told Can't you see that couldn't be me?I'd have to talk about your yams and your big fat hams!It excites me so, because I know you're my Met!Fat and forty, but Lordy,you're my Met!Fat and forty, but Lordy, Lordy. . . you're my Met!
Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Guests Posted December 11, 2013 Posted December 11, 2013 Believe it or not, I like this signing a little. But that feeling is mitigated by the fact that it's two guaranteed years to a person who could tell you what he was eating when President Kennedy was assassinated, and the realization that my blood sugar's a little low, so... I could be biased.I'm middling.
seawolf17 Old-Timey Member Posted December 11, 2013 Posted December 11, 2013 If you told me in April that this off-season, the Mets would sign the guy who goes 18-6, 2.65 in 30 starts and a 1.16 WHIP and finishes sixth in the AL Cy Young voting to a two-year, $20M deal for 2014 and 2015, I'd be pretty damn happy.Yet it all seems wrong somehow.
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted December 11, 2013 Author Posted December 11, 2013 I was ready to go two and $23 for him, so I've got to be happy. On the other hand, that's money that could have gone to Dickey.On the first hand though, Synderg'Arnaud.
Centerfield Old-Timey Member Posted December 11, 2013 Posted December 11, 2013 I'll state the obvious, the second year hurts. I think we get a good half season out of him during these two years. Hopefully it comes in the second half of 2014 so we can trade him this time next year when we are wondering what to do with all this pitching...
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted December 11, 2013 Author Posted December 11, 2013 He's 189-128 with a 3.94 ERA on his career.The PED thing will hurt him of course, but this is where his pitching could be the difference between the Hall of Fame and being a historical footnote for him.
Frayed Knot Old-Timey Member Posted December 11, 2013 Posted December 11, 2013 Maybe I'll be surprised here, but in the end I expect to wish they had put a full-stop on this instead of a Colon.
Fman99 Old-Timey Member Posted December 11, 2013 Posted December 11, 2013 I'm hoping that Colon is not subject to an excessive amount of pounding.
Zvon Old-Timey Member Posted December 11, 2013 Posted December 11, 2013 We needed a guy who could eat innings. 2 yrs, booooo. But he definitely can surprise me and impress me and make me think more highly of 40 yr old fat pitchers in the future if he wishes. Byrd kinda did that for me with old short fat players.Is part of being busted for drugs in baseball then require the player to be tested regularly?
MFS62 Old-Timey Member Posted December 11, 2013 Posted December 11, 2013 Zvon wrote:We needed a guy who could eat innings. Well, the Mets certainly got one. He looks like he eats a lots more stuff than innings. But I don't care, as long as he continues to get batters out.40 years old? He was my boyhood idol.Me gusta.Later
TransMonk Old-Timey Member Posted December 12, 2013 Posted December 12, 2013 I don't like it. One year I would have been OK with...I'm hoping that second year doesn't bite the Mets in the ass.Rubin's piece for ESPN yesterday starts out: The Mets needed someone to offset the loss of Matt Harvey for the 2014 season.Maybe he'll surprise me.
metsmarathon Old-Timey Member Posted December 12, 2013 Posted December 12, 2013 i like it. i'm hoping htat hte conract is weighted more heavily towards 2014, if only by a million or two, but i like it nevertheless. there's a really good chance we're going to get a good season out of him, and maybe two. and it's not a long term commitment or anything. and, also, if he's pitching really well, maybe we can spin him to a contender, presuming we are not one of those next year.i was thinking originally, gosh, maybe i'd prefer the mets have gotten arroyo instead of colon. but then i looked at the numbers. it's not worth all that much, but arroyo is projected (on fangraphs) to be about a 0.8/0.9 WAR pitcher next year. colon is projected to be a 2.0/2.4 WAR pitcher. and we might have gotten colon for less than we would end up paying arroyo. we might still need another pitcher, if only to anchor hte bottom of hte rotation, and provide insurance and/or competition to the bevy of young'uns. but colon is better than the #5-type pitcher we all kinda assumed hte mets would get this offseason.
Benjamin Grimm Old-Timey Member Posted December 12, 2013 Posted December 12, 2013 I like it. It's a risk, but if you avoid risk entirely you never get anywhere, both in baseball and in life. I do think they need Colon more in 2014 than in 2015 when Harvey is expected back and guys like Syndergaard and de Grom and whoever else all have another year of experience. If Colon is still productive, and the Mets don't need him in 2015, he can be traded. If he's awful, then of course they've blown ten million dollars of their 2015 money, but as I said, risks are unavoidable.Andy Martino last night on Mets Hot Stove said that this makes the Mets a contender, at least for a wild card spot. I'm not sure if I'd go that far, but if it turns out that he's right, then the second year may just be the price that you pay for the first year. And who knows? Maybe he'll be pitching for the Mets in the 2015 World Series.
dgwphotography Old-Timey Member Posted December 12, 2013 Posted December 12, 2013 I tried holding my nose. I still didn't like the small of this.
Benjamin Grimm Old-Timey Member Posted December 12, 2013 Posted December 12, 2013 I called this one (sort of) back on August 26LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote:Benjamin Grimm wrote:seawolf17 wrote:He signed with the Angels a few weeks ago.Oh.Who's next on the depth chart? Bartolo Colon? Jerry Koosman?Laugh it up, fuzzball-- Bartolo Colon is 14-5, 2.97, and an All-Star this year.I can't find Koos' stats. Has he been out of circulation or something?
Benjamin Grimm Old-Timey Member Posted December 12, 2013 Posted December 12, 2013 I just looked up Colon's stats. For some reason I thought he was a long-time Montreal Expo, but he only was with them in 2002. I couldn't have named any of the other teams that he had played for. I guess I'm far from an expert on Bartolo Colon.
Guest Mets Guy in Michigan Guests Posted December 12, 2013 Posted December 12, 2013 Wasn't Hawkins in or near his 40s and just signed a two-year-deal with the Rockies? I was a little surprised the Mets did this, and it's a little scary. But I think if we get 10 or 12 wins, a respectable ERA and a bunch of innings, the money doesn't seem excessive.
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted December 12, 2013 Author Posted December 12, 2013 I'm a Colonist. I'm a Colonial. I'm a Bartolian.
Vic Sage Old-Timey Member Posted December 12, 2013 Posted December 12, 2013 Relax folks; it's 2 years, not 10. It's $10m/yr, not $24m. A contract like this really shouldn't prevent a NYC franchise with a new park and its own network from doing whatever else it needs to do to improve itself, so i'm not sure why it's scary (i know why; that's rhetorical). Colon has had a pretty good career and is coming off an all-star season. He didn't cost us anything but money. Sure, he's fat, he's old, has a history of PEDs... and could blow up tomorrow, but so could Wheeler (see Harvey, Matt). If that happens, you move on. Or rather a competently managed franchise moves on. Do i think Colon makes us a pennant contender in 2014? Uh, no. No i don't; not without Harvey, some better BP arms, a SS, and fewer dead spots in the lineup. But with him and Granderson, and maybe some progress from youngsters Wheeler, D'Arnaud and Lagares, we can win at least as many as we lose, making the watching of games next year a better bet.
Ceetar Grand Central Contributor Posted December 12, 2013 Posted December 12, 2013 Benjamin Grimm wrote:Andy Martino last night on Mets Hot Stove said that this makes the Mets a contender, at least for a wild card spot. I'm not sure if I'd go that far, but if it turns out that he's right, then the second year may just be the price that you pay for the first year. And who knows? Maybe he'll be pitching for the Mets in the 2015 World Series.It helps, but the thing that makes this team into a contender is more about Wheeler being awesome and the pitching staying healthy, coupled with some or all of Tejada rebounding, Ike rebounding for a full season, d'Arnaud being better than average, and such.
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Guest d'Kong76 Guests Posted December 12, 2013 Posted December 12, 2013 Took don't care ... one year would be nicer but I guess that'sjust the nature of the business these days. He did have a goodseason to negotiate on/with.I guess he's the fattest Met ever ... that's something!
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted December 12, 2013 Author Posted December 12, 2013 I'm gonna stick with Mo Vaughn on that one.
Ceetar Grand Central Contributor Posted December 12, 2013 Posted December 12, 2013 Edgy MD wrote:I'm gonna stick with Mo Vaughn on that one.Watching Mo Vaughn run the bases is when my wife first started enjoying going to Mets games.
Centerfield Old-Timey Member Posted December 12, 2013 Posted December 12, 2013 Andy Martino last night on Mets Hot Stove said that this makes the Mets a contender, at least for a wild card spot. I'm not sure if I'd go that far, but if it turns out that he's right, then the second year may just be the price that you pay for the first year. And who knows? Maybe he'll be pitching for the Mets in the 2015 World Series.It helps, but the thing that makes this team into a contender is more about Wheeler being awesome and the pitching staying healthy, coupled with some or all of Tejada rebounding, Ike rebounding for a full season, d'Arnaud being better than average, and such.New rules for this season:1. No getting hurt2. Everyone must play to full, or exceed, potential3. Get lucky
Ceetar Grand Central Contributor Posted December 12, 2013 Posted December 12, 2013 Centerfield wrote:New rules for this season:1. No getting hurt2. Everyone must play to full, or exceed, potential3. Get luckyOne can hope right? Really that's the case for every team, the Mets just need more of it at the present time.
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