Harvey to testify in Skaggs case

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Yeah I think Terry is OK making comments here. Sandy and the club beside being gagged in the lockout are still associated and so correctly no-commented.



I'm not sure about Rubin but given his actions as a reporter (taking on Bernazard accusations and Omar has-lobby) I'm sure what he knew he couldn't report on given an understanding with whoever shared that with him.



We all heard the euphemisms and oughta have been able to connect the dots

[LWFS]

MULTIPLE outlets. Post, SNY, FAN.



He's a damn grandfather, and a former professional leader of men. If at the point he doesn't understand his professional obligations clearly-- or how to form the words "no comment" when asked about a former confidant's mental health-- he should fill his pockets with rocks and walk into the sea. Or, y'know, maybe he could talk to someone about those despair/confusion issues... someone trustworthy, who won't talk to the press.



Why the fuck should ANY player EVER be honest with their team EVER if this sort of thing is so casually done?

Edited February 16, 2022 by Guest

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

I was addressing him talking and not necessarily what he said, but yeah the suicide stuff was probably inviting trouble that needn't have been introed

[TransMonk]

Pre-Terry, but I know we were all waiting to hear from Steve Trachsel.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Oh great, Traxx is anti-masker

[TransMonk]

Yeah, his Twitter timeline is pretty gross.

[Lefty Specialist]

Terry probably should have 'no comment'-ed his way out of that one. But the questions would keep coming about 'what did you know and when did you know it?' because he was his manager for years and had to know at least a little of what was up. Mets probably should have had a statement ready for him to read at some point.

[duan]

None of Terry's quotes are great but I wouldn't rush to criticise him for talking about Harvey's issues here. There's a degree where Harvey's gone under oath and talking about things that takes stuff into the realm of the discussible.

I do think the "I should just kill myself.' That's kind of a common excuse" - is pretty icky but I think you can just see a guy who was a bit out of his depth trying to figure out where to go with something.

[Edgy MD]

How do you get a gig in helping athletes clarify their thoughts usefully before they speak?

[duan]

that's called being a pr person.

[Frayed Knot]

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Oh great, Traxx is anti-masker

Maybe Trax is just slow to grasp their effectiveness.



Bah-dum-ching!

[Edgy MD]

=duan post_id=85943 time=1645032853 user_id=99]
that's called being a pr person.

[Fman99]

Terry should know better, is all.

[LWFS]

Lefty Specialist wrote: Terry probably should have 'no comment'-ed his way out of that one. But the questions would keep coming about 'what did you know and when did you know it?' because he was his manager for years and had to know at least a little of what was up. Mets probably should have had a statement ready for him to read at some point.

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Terry should know better, is all.

[LWFS]

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Oh great, Traxx is anti-masker

Pratt's pretty terrible, too (in ADDITION to being anti-living-wage/suck-it-up-buttercup for minor leaguers... as a minor league manager).

[Edgy MD]

That's pratty disappointing to hear coming from a big union guy who bragged about flipping pizzas during the strike and later shit-talked the replacement players who made it to the bigs.

[MFS62]

Frayed Knot wrote: Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Oh great, Traxx is anti-masker Maybe Trax is just slow to grasp their effectiveness. Bah-dum-ching!

LOL!

Yup. In addition to being a slow worker on the mound, he's a slow thinker.

Later

[whippoorwill]

This is upsetting

[G-Fafif]

Kevin Plawecki: not into TC anymore (if he ever was).

[Edgy MD]

It's very instructive at a level. He passed the buck and felt like he did his part.



That's what modern leadership looks like today. It's infuriating, but it's hardly unique to Terry. And he at least owns it to the extent of "There were signs that we should have addressed some things."



But a few beats later, he's back with, "We certainly addressed it." Clearly, not so much.

[metsmarathon]

it's appalling how little framework there is in the MLB to help players when they clearly have these issues. both drugs and mental health. sweep it under the rug. be proud that you have a therapist on call, but never actually take a man who is clearly struggling, in that moment, when he most needs it, to get the help he's begging for. and instead just churn through the players like so much chaff, so you can eke whatever performance you can in that moment out of their dying soul.



i mean, fuck, its a problem in society as a whole. but with as much as is invested in players, it would be fucking nice if a sports league would take a leadership role in addressing mental health. and maybe use that to set a standard for the rest of us. there's inklings of it percolating about, what with simone biles speaking out about mental health and wellness, and naomi osaka as well. but they're responded to too often with derision and scorn, saying they're weak and just can't handle the pressure, when sometimes, often times, the right way to handle pressure is to relieve it. but nope, we've gotta be tough guys and insensitive cavemen, and if it drives young stars to contemplate suicide, or seek refuge in narcotics, well, hopefully they at least have the good sense to have a low ERA and burn out for another team.

[Edgy MD]

It's also, in part, a bi-product of us allowing our leagues to operate as cartels.



Where are you going to go if you want to walk away from a situation and perhaps find another doorway into the sport?

[Frayed Knot]

ex-Angels employee found guilty of supplying the drugs that led to pitcher Tyler Scaggs' death.



https://nypost.com/2022/02/17/ex-angels-employee-found-guilty-in-overdose-death-of-pitcher-tyler-skaggs/https://nypost.com/2022/02/17/ex-angels-employee-found-guilty-in-overdose-death-of-pitcher-tyler-skaggs/

[duan]

While I have no particular desire for people to be tested for 'recreational' substances, it does strike me as bonkers that a guy like could have what seems to be a serious cocaine problem and nobody go anywhere close to addressing it properly.

There's definitely a sense of well as long as he takes the mound (nearly) every 5th day - we don't care.

[seawolf17]

Everything about this story makes me sad, from top to bottom.

[metsmarathon]

what really pisses me off if the reporting that if harvey signs somewhere, he's going to get popped with a 60-day suspension.



for being open and honest in a criminal trial that put to jail a dude who was responsible for killing a player. and after baring his soul to show his inner demons.



like, fucking hell. embrace this man, get him the help he needs. and if anything, go to him and help him to help other players who might be in the same place that he was. don't fucking punish him three years after the fucking fact. that's bullshit.



if you want this shit out of your league and out of your clubhouses, grant him immunity, and grant anyone who openly comes clean the same. and then get them help.



otherwise, mlb will have failed matt harvey twice.

[seawolf17]

=metsmarathon post_id=86002 time=1645190273 user_id=83]
what really pisses me off if the reporting that if harvey signs somewhere, he's going to get popped with a 60-day suspension.



for being open and honest in a criminal trial that put to jail a dude who was responsible for killing a player. and after baring his soul to show his inner demons.



like, fucking hell. embrace this man, get him the help he needs. and if anything, go to him and help him to help other players who might be in the same place that he was. don't fucking punish him three years after the fucking fact. that's bullshit.



if you want this shit out of your league and out of your clubhouses, grant him immunity, and grant anyone who openly comes clean the same. and then get them help.



otherwise, mlb will have failed matt harvey twice.

[duan]

=metsmarathon post_id=86002 time=1645190273 user_id=83]
what really pisses me off if the reporting that if harvey signs somewhere, he's going to get popped with a 60-day suspension.

[whippoorwill]

=seawolf17 post_id=86001 time=1645189038 user_id=91]
Everything about this story makes me sad, from top to bottom.