Memories of Noah Syndergaard

[MFS62]

=whippoorwill post_id=81216 time=1637156317 user_id=79]
Please what is QO?

[TransMonk]

Keith Law in The Athletic wrote: ...Add that to the extra pick they'll get for not signing Kumar Rocker in the 2021 draft, and they could end up with one of the largest bonus pools of any team this winter...

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$21M is too much for one year of Noah in 2022. Heck, the QO was too much for my liking. Good luck to Thor, but that money can be better spent.

[Marshmallowmilkshake]

I was at his aborted St. Lucie start this year. Was able to see both Jake and Syndergaard making rehab starts during the same Florida visit -- which also included the 12-inning Replacemets win over the Marlins.

[metsmarathon]

they would lose the pick by not getting the pick that someone else would have given up for signing him.



so, like, now, the mets have no syndergaard but they do have a 2nd round pick. if he accepted, they would have him, for a year, but no 2nd round pick for long term investment. him accepting the mets' QO would mean that the angels would keep their pick, instead of giving it to us.



if we could have had our cake, we wouldn't get to eat it.

[ashie62]

Sore armed pitchers are a dime a dozen. Noah is replaceable. I can look at him on someone else' IR.



He went to a bottom dwelling team that sucks every year despite having two of the best talents in the game so he can live with that.



Yes on Stroman, that's easy.

[A Boy Named Seo]

Noah politely requesting Alcides Escobar to not get comfortable in the box in the World Series was unforgettable.

[kcmets]

My memory is more contemporaneous: his public cry for a QO while saying that "it would be a tough pill to swallow not wearing a Mets jersey next year" and then signing elsewhere for more money without giving the Mets a chance to match or top the new offer. F him.

Kinda where I'm at, but I'll stop short at 'F him' just yet. More on the story may

come out of the weeds down the road.

[batmagadanleadoff]

=metsmarathon post_id=81233 time=1637163614 user_id=83]
they would lose the pick by not getting the pick that someone else would have given up for signing him.



so, like, now, the mets have no syndergaard but they do have a 2nd round pick. if he accepted, they would have him, for a year, but no 2nd round pick for long term investment. him accepting the mets' QO would mean that the angels would keep their pick, instead of giving it to us.



if we could have had our cake, we wouldn't get to eat it.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Getting kicked out of the game 1st pitch in the ass in the jackpot game

[bmfc1]

The Mets gained a pick that wouldn't have existed if Noah stayed with the Mets.

[batmagadanleadoff]

My memory is more contemporaneous: his public cry for a QO while saying that "it would be a tough pill to swallow not wearing a Mets jersey next year" and then signing elsewhere for more money without giving the Mets a chance to match or top the new offer. F him. Kinda where I'm at, but I'll stop short at 'F him' just yet. More on the story may come out of the weeds down the road.

What's with the f him and more to this story? If it turns out that he influenced the Mets into QO'ing him, he didnt hurt the Mets by doing so.



Me personally, I'm gonna guess that Syndergaard wanted out of the Mets organization. He'd been griping about this and that for years, expressing his unhappiness over many issues. Maybe he sees that many of those problem issues still exist even though the Wilpons are gone. Makes sense to me

Lotsa things dont seem right with the Mets. The previous owners were so inept that the problems are likely deep-rooted and aren't going away overnight.

[batmagadanleadoff]

=bmfc1 post_id=81244 time=1637168526 user_id=73]
The Mets gained a pick that wouldn't have existed if Noah stayed with the Mets.

[Ceetar]

=ashie62 post_id=81235 time=1637166175 user_id=90]
Sore armed pitchers are a dime a dozen. Noah is replaceable. I can look at him on someone else' IR.



He went to a bottom dwelling team that sucks every year despite having two of the best talents in the game so he can live with that.



Yes on Stroman, that's easy.

[Benjamin Grimm]

The Mets have five draft picks. If Syndergaard had accepted the QO, they'd have had four.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: The Mets have five draft picks. If Syndergaard had accepted the QO, they'd have had four.

Really? I ddint know that. A team loses a draft pick when it signs it's own QO'd player?

[Benjamin Grimm]

No, it just fails to gain a draft pick because the player didn't leave.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: No, it just fails to gain a draft pick because the player didn't leave.

Yeah. That's how I thought it worked.But teams know that going in when they make QO's because those are the rules.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: The Mets have five draft picks. If Syndergaard had accepted the QO, they'd have had four. Really? I ddint know that. A team loses a draft pick when it signs it's own QO'd player?

So then I'll revert back to my older post. Whaddayouse want? For the Mets to be awarded an extra draft pick for signing Syndergaard? Youse are griping because that's not happening?

[batmagadanleadoff]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: No, it just fails to gain a draft pick because the player didn't leave. Yeah. That's how I thought it worked.But teams know that going in when they make QO's because those are the rules.

So then I'll revert back to my older post. Whaddayouse want? For the Mets to be awarded an extra draft pick for signing Syndergaard? Youse are griping because that's not happening?

[bmfc1]

https://franchisesports.co.uk/mlb-compensation-picks-explained/https://franchisesports.co.uk/mlb-compensation-picks-explained/

If a team extends a QO to a player and he turns it down that team gets a bonus pick to compensate it for the loss of a player who did not accept the QO. It can be looked at as a restriction on free agency.

There's more in the text portions from last year's draft page:

https://www.mlb.com/draft/2021/orderhttps://www.mlb.com/draft/2021/order

[G-Fafif]

Thor says bye.

[batmagadanleadoff]

https://franchisesports.co.uk/mlb-compensation-picks-explained/https://franchisesports.co.uk/mlb-compensation-picks-explained/ If a team extends a QO to a player and he turns it down that team gets a bonus pick to compensate it for the loss of a player who did not accept the QO. It can be looked at as a restriction on free agency. There's more in the text portions from last year's draft page: https://www.mlb.com/draft/2021/orderhttps://www.mlb.com/draft/2021/order

Is this post in response to anything I've been posting or asking on this topic? Because if it is, it's not really addressing any of the issues I've been raising. And if it isn't intended to be a response to any of my posts, my apologies.

[kcmets]

My memory is more contemporaneous: his public cry for a QO while saying that "it would be a tough pill to swallow not wearing a Mets jersey next year" and then signing elsewhere for more money without giving the Mets a chance to match or top the new offer. F him. Kinda where I'm at, but I'll stop short at 'F him' just yet. More on the story may come out of the weeds down the road. What's with the f him and more to this story? If it turns out that he influenced the Mets into QO'ing him, he didnt hurt the Mets by doing so. Me personally, I'm gonna guess that Syndergaard wanted out of the Mets organization. He'd been griping about this and that for years, expressing his unhappiness over many issues. Maybe he sees that many of those problem issues still exist even though the Wilpons are gone. Makes sense to me Lotsa things dont seem right with the Mets. The previous owners were so inept that the problems are likely deep-rooted and aren't going away overnight.

Maybe I wasn't clear. I was quoting Lefty who typed F Him and then I said

I agreed with his post but stop short at the F Him part. By more of the story

I just meant down the line something may come out why he reneged on his

'tough pill to swallow' speech. No biggie.

[bmfc1]

It wasn't to you, batmagadanleadoff. Somewhere above was a request about the process. I'm not griping about the process, just about Syndergaard.

[Ceetar]

I dunno if qualifying offers are sticking around anyway.

[Bob Alpacadaca]

The Angels might have done us a favor. We can spend that money on a pitcher who doesn't have as many question marks and can throw breaking balls.

[Ceetar]

Bob Alpacadaca wrote: The Angels might have done us a favor. We can spend that money on a pitcher who doesn't have as many question marks and can throw breaking balls.

those don't exist, and the ones that do suck.







The two home run game was fun. I liked how he changed his twitter header image to lightning striking over each city the Mets visited in the 2015 playoffs. He was a dominating presence and fun to watch, and he seemed to have a sense of humor (Even if his Twitter feed is probably mostly run by someone else) and could poke fun at himself. I'll miss him.

[Centerfield]

=TransMonk post_id=81229 time=1637162110 user_id=71]
$21M is too much for one year of Noah in 2022. Heck, the QO was too much for my liking. Good luck to Thor, but that money can be better spent.

[Bob Alpacadaca]

Bob Alpacadaca wrote: The Angels might have done us a favor. We can spend that money on a pitcher who doesn't have as many question marks and can throw breaking balls. those don't exist, and the ones that do suck.

Seriously? You don't think there are quality pitchers who don't have as many question marks as the guy who last pitched into the second inning in 2019 -- and wasn't allowed to throw breaking balls in the two innings he did pitch?

[Ceetar]

It's not "Better spent" nothing in Syndergaard's QO or offer procludes ANYONE from spending other money. It's not related. there is no salary cap.



Breaking: cranky prospect guy over-values draft pick. Look, if the Mets can swing that draft pool money bonus as a way to sign someone EXCELLENT they might not otherwise have been able to, this works out, but there's no reason to think there's some sort of calculated plan here when the people, supposedly, going to make those decisions aren't even here yet.



The logic from the Angels side is that Thor wasn't going to accept like 2/25 or something, where you try to ship this year in hopes that he's bolstered for next year. You HAD to pay him at least $20 this year or he would've taken the QO. That's pretty clear. The Angels are going for it, and even 20 starts of 100 IP from him is light years above "just sign a back end starter to replace him" nonsense that Law's pitching there for the Mets.



The Mets were supposed to WIN last year. They could've, if they made better signings, spent more money, had better personnel in place or handled injuries differently. There's a lot of turnover now, but this wasn't a team that was supposed to be retooling for 2024+, which is the only way getting a stupid pick and losing a top pitcher makes sense.