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MLB.com headline for a slow day:



Matz departure stirs memories of Jones for long time Mets fans


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He seemed to take over the Jon Niese role of staff lefty who had flashes of goodness, but had a hard time getting out of his own head. They would both get frustrated when outings went south, which too many times led to things getting out of control and giving up too many runs.


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I remember Jon Niese! (I also vividly remember the day he was born.)



I just looked him up. He pitched for the Mets, briefly, in 2016 after returning from the Pirates. Nothing in 2017 or 2018, but he pitched in 14 games (13 starts) for Seattle's AAA team in Tacoma in 2019.


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Departs town ranked 23rd on the team all-time in strikeouts (interestingly surrounded on the list by other lefties: Al Jackson, Tom Glavine, Jesse Orosco, and Ollie Perez).



Thirty-sixth in innings pitched, between Bartolo Colón and Frank Viola.


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A local guy who I liked.



During the lockdown Matz spoke of sitting in his chair watching TV and testing curveball grips for hours.



He was bored like me.



And Bauer B-Comin.


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=LWFS post_id=55032 time=1611847707 user_id=84]
The Rickey Retinue?



The problem with naming something after Rickey is, there's a LOT of quirks with Rickey. You'd have to remind someone you're telling about this that you're not talking about his legendary trash talk, or talking about himself, or weird-ass work habits. (Or, y'know, the basestealing and best-leadoff-hitter-ever things.)

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He seemed to take over the Jon Niese role of staff lefty who had flashes of goodness, but had a hard time getting out of his own head. They would both get frustrated when outings went south, which too many times led to things getting out of control and giving up too many runs.


And you just knew they'd develop into elite pitchers if you gave them a bit more time.



Don't know if it was body language or what, but I got the sense that Niese got frustrated with his teammates and Matz got frustrated with himself. So for Matz, my thought is "good luck". With Niese, it was more "good riddance".


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I took another look at Matz's numbers from his 2015 debut season because I remembered him as being terrific his rookie year and that terrific-ness is what maintained my patience with him for just about his entire Mets tenure up until sometime last season. And I noticed that he only started six games in 2015, pitching about 35 innings. In fact, I think he was injured even in his rookie year, missing like three or four starts. So all this confidence in Matz over such a small sample size. Maybe he was never that good and simply capitalized on his opponents' initial lack of familiarity with Matz.



Who knows?


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=batmagadanleadoff post_id=55110 time=1611930285 user_id=68]
I took another look at Matz's numbers from his 2015 debut season because I remembered him as being terrific his rookie year and that terrific-ness is what maintained my patience with him for just about his entire Mets tenure up until sometime last season. And I noticed that he only started six games in 2015, pitching about 35 innings. In fact, I think he was injured even in his rookie year, missing like three or four starts. So all this confidence in Matz over such a small sample size. Maybe he was never that good and simply capitalized on his opponents' initial lack of familiarity with Matz.



Who knows?

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Matz was always chasing really one encouraging beer with a shot of rotgut whiskey.





Top drafted local kid in 2009! ---> needs Tommy John and doesn't debut professionally for 3 years ---> Wait pays off with stunning 2015 debut! ---> Injured weeks later --->



Healthy to start 2016 season and #9 ranked prospect in the game! ---> Coughs up 7 ERs in 1.2 innings to the goddamned Marlins in '16 debut ---> Rookie of the Month in May 2016 (4-0, 1.31)! ---> 2-7 till August injury ends season leaving team without starting pitching depth and a disappointing Wild Card 1-and-done --->



Finally returns in June 2017 and dominates Braves in debut! ---> 2-7, 6.08 by August when another injury shut him down for the year --->



Answers the bell for 2018!--->Makes 30 starts!--->Wins only 5 of them --->



Ready to go again in 2019! ---> Team wins 7 of his first 10 starts! --->Loses 7 of his next 10 --> Shuts out Pittsburgh in a complete game, 99-pitch 5-hitter July 27! ---> Same club knocks him out of the box in the 4th inning of his next start --->Not traded when Stroman acquired! ---> stumbles to the finish line losing key September starts --->career high 32 starts! ---> 11-10, 4.21



2020 Mets are so pitching-rich they might not even need Matz!! --->But they do because everyone's hurt or has COVID ---> Masterful N/D debut shuts down Braves on day 2! ---> Next 4 starts all among the worst in his career --> Bullpen debut a success vs. Yankees!! --->Rocked in return to rotation---> 0-5, 9.68 on year! ---> Generates 3 prospects in trade!


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=batmagadanleadoff post_id=55110 time=1611930285 user_id=68]
I took another look at Matz's numbers from his 2015 debut season because I remembered him as being terrific his rookie year and that terrific-ness is what maintained my patience with him for just about his entire Mets tenure up until sometime last season. And I noticed that he only started six games in 2015, pitching about 35 innings. In fact, I think he was injured even in his rookie year, missing like three or four starts. So all this confidence in Matz over such a small sample size. Maybe he was never that good and simply capitalized on his opponents' initial lack of familiarity with Matz.



Who knows?

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Johnny Lunchbucket wrote:

Matz was always chasing really one encouraging beer with a shot of rotgut whiskey.





Top drafted local kid in 2009! ---> needs Tommy John and doesn't debut professionally for 3 years ---> Wait pays off with stunning 2015 debut! ---> Injured weeks later --->



Healthy to start 2016 season and #9 ranked prospect in the game! ---> Coughs up 7 ERs in 1.2 innings to the goddamned Marlins in '16 debut ---> Rookie of the Month in May 2016 (4-0, 1.31)! ---> 2-7 till August injury ends season leaving team without starting pitching depth and a disappointing Wild Card 1-and-done --->



Finally returns in June 2017 and dominates Braves in debut! ---> 2-7, 6.08 by August when another injury shut him down for the year --->



Answers the bell for 2018!--->Makes 30 starts!--->Wins only 5 of them --->



Ready to go again in 2019! ---> Team wins 7 of his first 10 starts! --->Loses 7 of his next 10 --> Shuts out Pittsburgh in a complete game, 99-pitch 5-hitter July 27! ---> Same club knocks him out of the box in the 4th inning of his next start --->Not traded when Stroman acquired! ---> stumbles to the finish line losing key September starts --->career high 32 starts! ---> 11-10, 4.21



2020 Mets are so pitching-rich they might not even need Matz!! --->But they do because everyone's hurt or has COVID ---> Masterful N/D debut shuts down Braves on day 2! ---> Next 4 starts all among the worst in his career --> Bullpen debut a success vs. Yankees!! --->Rocked in return to rotation---> 0-5, 9.68 on year! ---> Generates 3 prospects in trade!


---> Prospects implicated in plot to bomb Michelin plant!


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Edgy MD wrote:

---> Prospects implicated in plot to bomb Michelin plant!


I dunno. He threw lots of pitches that ended up being bombs.

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And where do these things come from anyways, they don't have a

'front office' in place yet.


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I'm sure somebody was around to give Hey-Hey a list of how the Mets are lining up the available pitchers.



And seeing as the regime isn't yet assembled, there's no point in eliminating anybody from consideration yet. That's a far cry from insinuating that he's a priority, as He-man kinda seems to want to do, without actually doing it.



I'm sure the Mets have at least some interest in a lot of things that will never come to pass, but hot stoves need their fuel.


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As a 5th/6th starter he might be alright.

You just don't want one of those Wilponian moves where they pull back the curtain and declare that they've found their Syndergaard replacement.


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