Yankee Offseason

[metirish]

Ceetar wrote: Which would be more damaging to the "Jeter Allure?" Him bolting for another team, or him having 3+ bad seasons that have Yankees fans calling into WFAN wondering why the Yankees aren't "forcing him into retirement?"

As much as I would love the outcry if he went to another team I am taking the long term view that him playing absolute crap for the MFY's is better.....stay old you yankees

[Guest Edgy DC]

Here's how it can turn out bad for us: Jeter leaves, Yankees sign Reyes to replace him. Jose wins three rings with the Yankees.

The Mets have their business to take care of, no doubt, but they have another year to figure that one out. The Jenkees have the gun to their heads now.

[MFS62]

metirish wrote: As much as I would love the outcry if he went to another team I am taking the long term view that him playing absolute crap for the MFY's is better.....stay old you yankees

Absolutely agree.
I want to hear three (hopefully more) years of anguished Luis Castillo or Ollie Perez-type calls to WFAN moaning about "why the Yankees ever re-signed this turd".

Later

[ashie62]

Jeter's request of 150 Million for 6 years is the least he is willing to take.

Joe Dimaggio didn't get a Yankee Icon deal, Reggie was let go and it looks like Jeter very well may have played his last game for the MFY's.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Jeter being middling-to-pretty-good for a few years in Marlin teal or Padres pajamas would be sorta fun, but his being awful in pinstripes at a Pujolsian salary would be much more ultimately enjoyable.

Although it does seem that he's-- somewhat improbably-- among the best alive at overestimating the worth of Derek Jeter.

[Vic Sage]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: However this turns out is OK with me: The MFYs pay too much ... Jeter gets dissed ... MFYs lose Jeter ... some other team gets Jeter ... fans get tortured ... Cashman gets fired ... etc etc. All good.

this.

[Frayed Knot]

Ashie62 wrote: Jeter's request of 150 Million for 6 years is the least he is willing to take.

Seeing as how no team is going to even approach that number, I somehow doubt it.
Besides, the NYDN has him "lowering" his demands to 5 x $22-24 range citing sources to his agent dismissing the 6x$25 reports as "inaccurate".

Joe Dimaggio didn't get a Yankee Icon deal, Reggie was let go and it looks like Jeter very well may have played his last game for the MFY's.

Only if you see him taking the same or less to play elsewhere.

[Fman99]

I think I'd rather see him limp into the sunset, overpaid and overfed and in pinstripes, sucking down another big slice of Yankee income and having the YLDBs debating the least embarrassing place to put his aging mitt, and arm, and bat.

Seeing him in a Mariners uniform would be funny too.

The real winners here are us, can we all agree on that?

[smg58]

Fman99 wrote: The real winners here are us, can we all agree on that?

No argument from me.

[Frayed Knot]

ESPN saying (or repeating from elsewhere) that the Uribe defection from SF to LA has prompted the Giants to contact Jeter's agent.
Not that that means some sort of offer is imminent or that they're going to top the 3/$45 Yanqui deal if they do, but it is the first team mentioned since they told Derek that he should act like Smokey and 'Shop Around'

[MFS62]

Frayed Knot wrote: Not that that means some sort of offer is imminent or that they're going to top the 3/$45 Yanqui deal if they do, but it is the first team mentioned since they told Derek that he should act like Smokey and 'Shop Around'

Actually, the Yankees have listened to Jeter's agent's demand, and told Derek to act like a (an?) hermaphrodite and go fuck himself.

Later

[Frayed Knot]

The rumor that the Jeter (and Mariano & Cliff Lee) negotiations have caused Yanqui GM Brian Cashman to jump off a high building is only partially true

[Centerfield]

Dress as a what? Fuck no...

[metirish]

STFU Strawberry , he sounds like a complete tool


Darryl Strawberry sure George Steinbrenner wouldn't approve of Yankees' treatment of Derek Jeter

Derek Jeter's contract saga is as delicate a subject as it polarizing, which is why most everyone connected to Yankee Universe has avoided expressing a strong opinion - for fear of offending one side or the other. But such considerations have never stopped Darryl Strawberry from having his say, especially when he's angry. So here he was, on the phone Thursday, speaking from the heart as always. Basically Straw can't believe the hard-line stance management has taken, and he thinks it is only because George Steinbrenner is no longer around to run the Yankees. "George would roll over in his grave if he knew the way they're treating Jeter," Strawberry said. "The Boss never would have let this happen. "If the Boss was alive, there's no question they'd pay Jeter. I got to know George personally, and I know how much he cared about his players. And Jeter was like a son to him. I'm telling you, this wouldn't be happening." To be fair, Strawberry was conveniently forgetting that The Boss fought with plenty of players - publicly and privately - about money, from Thurman Munson to Reggie Jackson to Don Mattingly. He could be ruthless when he felt he wasn't getting his money's worth, embarrassing someone like Reggie by demanding that he undergo an eye exam when Mr. October wasn't hitting. So who really knows how George would have reacted to Jeter's subpar 2010, and how much he would have used it against his shortstop. Strawberry, after all, only saw George's good side. The Yankee owner took a personal interest in reviving Strawberry's career in 1995, after his drug problems, when no other major league team would go near him, and the former Met and Yankee slugger remains forever grateful. Furthermore, Strawberry admitted he is biased on this subject because he remains a friend of Jeter's. Still, he is convinced that Jeter had a special place in Steinbrenner's heart, based on the way he handled himself on and off the field, as well as what he meant to the franchise. "Jeet's one of a kind," said Strawberry. "Maybe him and Cal Ripken. What he's meant to baseball and the Yankees, and what he's accomplished in this game. He's the only guy I ever knew in baseball that I never heard say anything bad about anybody. "I know George could be tough on players, but he cared about them, and he loved Jeet. That's why he made him a captain. Come on, this is frustrating to me to see they think he's not worth the money he's asking. "He had one bad year - he's still a great player. And for all the intangibles he brings to the clubhouse, and what he means to the Yankee brand. He's going to get his 3,000th hit next season - that's history. George knew what he meant to the franchise." There's another side to the argument, as you might have heard by now. The Yankees were putting the word out Thursday that they were upping their offer a bit, but even at the original $45 million for three years they are willing to pay Jeter more than he is worth on the open market. So far there seems to be more fan sentiment for the ballclub's position than for Jeter getting the $22 million to $23 million he wants for four or five years. And while you have to believe Alex Rodriguez's contract sticks in Jeter's craw, no doubt making it all the more difficult for him to cave on his demands, the shortstop would be true to his own pristine legacy by taking the deal without complaint. It's hardly a shock that Strawberry, who walked away from the Mets over money while still in his prime, thinks his former teammate is in the right here. Yet he makes good points, the best being that the Yankees were wrong to publicly challenge Jeter to find a better offer - essentially daring him to leave. "Jeet knows it's a business, but he shouldn't have to hear that from the Yankees," Strawberry said. "He's been nothing but class. "I'm quite sure he's been hurt by some of the things they've said. He won't say anything about it, that's just his way. Me, I'd have been up in people's faces, but not Jeet. "I'm sure they'll get this done eventually and he'll still be a Yankee, but this wasn't the way to do it." Too bad we'll never know if Strawberry was right - if The Boss, were he still alive and active, would have done it differently. Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2010/12/03/2010-12-03_darry_strawberry_sure_george_steinbrenner_wouldnt_approve_of_yankees_treatment_o.html#ixzz174C9Fayx

[Guest Edgy DC]

I love it. Put more heat on the team just when Jeter's ready to cave. Let's throw more stealth agents in there. Can David Cone call them cheapskates? Can Al Leiter accuse Jeter of picking New Yorkers' pockets. Can Rafael Santana make some snide crack about how he wouldn't use Jeter's golden glove to wipe his ass?

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Or better yet, have Torre call Jeter, casually mentioning that Cashman was laughing about this on the phone with Mr. Tea the other day... and that he hears from people who know that the Giants are interested.

Oh, and Mariano's down for a reported 2 yrs/30 million, it seems.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Bob Klapisch wrote: The Yankees are reportedly willing to raise their initial three-year, $45 million offer slightly, but Jeter's camp isn't going to come close to getting what they allegedly were looking for. Thankfully, it looks like this will all be over soon.

Thankfully, nothing. This is one of the most gratifying passages in the Yankee drama since Stump Merrill.

Carry on.

[metirish]

I think Bob the Bollox is thankful that his Christmas might not be ruined because of this , it's been weighing heavily on him no doubt.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Reports that Jeter and MFY's agree to three year contract averaging $17M per year -- much closer to the team's initial offer than to Jeter's demand. Option for fourth year at < $17M.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/40506560/ns/sports-player_news/

From the New York Times:

The agreement, the person said, will include a �creative hybrid-type option� for a fourth year. The person said the option is �not vesting and is highly unusual.�

http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/04/jeter-and-yankees-near-three-year-deal/?src=twrhp

[Frayed Knot]

Seeing as how "demands" from Jeter's agent were never official but only rumors & estimates, I'm sure the Jeter camp will now deny that they were ever asking for anything like 5 or 6 years at $20+/per and therefore this in no way represents a settlement or capitulation on their part.

Bottom line is that there was simply no interest by any other team to even match what the Yanx were offering much less top it so there was little reason for them to go wild with additional years/dollars. It was probably the Tulowitski deal that prompted the team to even go up as much as they did as this now affords him the face-saving claim that he's still the highest paid SS in MLB on a per year basis.

Be interesting to see what Chinese arithmetic of an option kick-in they've come up with.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Some details on Jeter's new contract, according to Jon Heyman

-- Jeter signs for 3 years/$51M.
-- $51M includes a $3M buy-out after the third season.
-- Jeter has an option to extend the contract for a fourth season. The fourth season might be worth anywhere from $8M to $17M, depending on how many points Jeter will have earned during the life of this contract, as per performance/point system structured by Jeter and the Yankees.
-- technically, the first three years are for $48M ($51M - the $3M buy out) or $16M per season, just $1M more per season than the team's initial offer.
-- other sources have reported that some of the money is deferred. Unanswered is whether the $48M is present value (better for Jeter) or a future value (better for the team).

[G-Fafif]

MFYs having self-congratulatory presser, in Tampa. Cuts down on likelihood of questions regarding "Where's the Chinese ballplayers at?"

[G-Fafif]

Over quickly. Even Fran-say-so called it a "colossal waste of time".

[Guest Edgy DC]

He.

Oughta.

Know.

[metirish]

Heyman saying that Lee has two 7 year offers for $20 million plus , and not from the yankees or Rangers.....this is swell so far.

[metirish]

Yankees met with Feliciano's agent today.

[ashie62]

metirish wrote: Heyman saying that Lee has two 7 year offers for $20 million plus , and not from the yankees or Rangers.....this is swell so far.

Anaheim or the Nats?

[Vic Sage]

C'mon Cashman, go 8! 8 for $25m per! yeah, baby!

[Ceetar]

Vic Sage wrote: C'mon Cashman, go 8! 8 for $25m per! yeah, baby!

For Feliciano? That'd be _awesome_

[seawolf17]

Ceetar wrote: Vic Sage wrote: C'mon Cashman, go 8! 8 for $25m per! yeah, baby! For Feliciano? That'd be _awesome_

You know Old George would have already signed Feliciano to some insane contract.