Yankee Offseason

[soupcan]

We really hope they like that stupid jumpy-throwy thing."

That's now my new online password.

yahoo is reporting that the yanks offered 6 years 140 mil to Cliff Lee. Meanwhile, Lee's holding out for a 7th year. http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AkSJmoSIxA2tHSY_VjkPYY8RvLYF?slug=ti-washburnhotstove112210 unfortunately, i don't see texas beating that. That seems like an appropriately iffy and dangerous contract. Let's see how high we can get this Yankee payroll.

I got 2 words for that contract: AWE SOME. I hope he gets the 7th year. He'll be 33 in the first year of that deal.

[G-Fafif]

This thread title happy-fies me in that it reminds me the Yankee Offseason began with the conclusion of the sixth game of the American League Championship Series.

[ashie62]

Greg Doyel of CBS trashes Jeter..

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/14342512/yankees-just-say-no-to-bailoutseeking-jeter

[Frayed Knot]

Ashie62 wrote: Greg Doyel of CBS trashes Jeter.. http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/14342512/yankees-just-say-no-to-bailoutseeking-jeter

Which would be fine if he weren't mis-using the hell out of those 'Similarity Scores'
Alomar & Trammel might have had careers up to that point which were most similar to Jeter, but both had already started fading before they ever got to his current age and so their mid-30s seasons were most definitely NOT most similar.

In his age 34 thru 36 seasons (the last three) Jeter put up .301/.364/.414 stats while averaging 633 ABs/yr
At the same age Alomar was down to .262/.331/.367 while getting 426 ABs/yr
and while Trammel was a decent .299/.333/.349 he was playing barely half the time with 265 ABs/yr


Which isn't to say that Jeter isn't more likely to fade than surge - or that his larger point that the Yanx offer isn't already more than market value isn't valid - only that Jeter, unlike the other two, is just one year removed from a real good season and that those are the wrong guys to be comparing him to at this point.

[Ceetar]

Isn't Cashman's "shop elsewhere" suggestion to Jeter an empty promise without offering arbitration?

Unless I'm missing something, I don't see how the Yankees could lose by offering it. The same with Rivera.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Ceetar wrote: Unless I'm missing something, I don't see how the Yankees could lose by offering it.

Well, they could end up having to pay him $20 million for 2011. If that's more than they want to spend, then they "lose."

[Ceetar]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Ceetar wrote: Unless I'm missing something, I don't see how the Yankees could lose by offering it. Well, they could end up having to pay him $20 million for 2011. If that's more than they want to spend, then they "lose."

I guess that's true, they usually base it off your existing salary right?

then again, it's a one time hit, he'll probably get his 3k hits and you'd think he'd command even less money and years after another poor season.

[seawolf17]

[MFS62]

seawolf17 wrote:

I'd love to see that picture happen.
Michael Kay erupt in a ball of flames.
And Suzyn Waldmann would wish she were a Red Sox fan again. (Yes. kiddies, she grew up in Boston)
Later

[Benjamin Grimm]

The Daily News had Photoshopped images of Jeter in the uniforms of the Red Sox, Mets, Phillies, and Dodgers. The pictures accompanied a column by Mike Lupica that I tried to read but couldn't get past the second paragraph.

[ashie62]

MFS62 wrote: seawolf17 wrote: I'd love to see that picture happen. Michael Kay erupt in a ball of flames. And Suzyn Waldmann would wish she were a Red Sox fan again. (Yes. kiddies, she grew up in Boston) Later

That would be the tits.

[Valadius]

I would actually love to see His Intangibleness go to the Dodgers to play for the Yankee Outcast.

[seawolf17]

Valadius wrote: I would actually love to see His Intangibleness go to the Dodgers to play for the Yankee Outcast.

That would be interesting. Mattingly and Jeter in Dodger uniforms.

Sports Guy in yesterday's chat:

If the Red Sox offered Jeter 4 years for $75 million to play 3B, and it was like a fantasy auction in which the Yankees laughed and said, "Fine, you can have him," I would talk myself into it in 48 hours. "He just had an off-year, it happens, now he's going to change his training regimen, you can't count Jeter out, he's going to be a 9.8 on the Vengeance Scale" and so on. I'm that big of a homer. Don't bet against me.

[seawolf17]

Okay, someone needs to call Joe in for a little whack upside the head.

[HahnSolo]

I listened to Francesa on my drive home last night for the teeth-gnashing, hysterical Yankee fans and they didn't disappoint.

Francesa, amazingly, admitted he was wrong that there'd be no issues with this contract negotiation, was convinced that the Yanks would "take care of Derek". Now he actually could see him looking elsewhere, in fact saying that if he were Jeter he would absolutely seek out other offers.

Of course, Francesa had to bring the stupid with his assertion that if he were the Mets, he'd sign Jeter "tonight". Because the Mets need to sell tickets and Jeter would do that with his quest for 3000 hits (!). So I'm thinking, wow, would Jeter go to the Mets to play second, because Mike would surely agree that is the only spot the Mets could play him. Oh, no, "put Jetah at short and move Reyes to second, or, put Jetah at third and move Wright 'somewhere'." Jesus, does he even watch baseball, or know anything about the Met fan?

My wild guess if he were to wind up elsewhere:
Don't think Jeter would sign with Boston or NYM (nor do I think either team would offer him)
Could see him with Mattingly and LAD, but not with their ownership in flux.
How about an owner and manager who would love to stick it to the Yanks and are trying to revive a flagging franchise: Derek Jeter, shortstop for your Baltimore Orioles.

[seawolf17]

How about an owner and manager who would love to stick it to the Yanks and are trying to revive a flagging franchise: Derek Jeter, shortstop for your Baltimore Orioles.

Considering they got oogatz out of their SS position last year, aren't winning anything anyway, and could promote a Ripken-Jeter "legendary shortstop" connection if they wanted to, that'd be a good fit, actually.

[metirish]

This whole "saga" is delicious , oh and I love the idea of him in Baltimore. So funny to read some of the writers , they come off like they are insulted that Jeter is being treated like this. This might ruin Thanksgiving for Klapisch.

[batmagadanleadoff]

metirish wrote: So funny to read some of the writers , they come off like they are insulted that Jeter is being treated like this. This might ruin Thanksgiving for Klapisch.

Why? Does Jeter kickback a portion of his salary to Klapisch, et. al.?

[metirish]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: So funny to read some of the writers , they come off like they are insulted that Jeter is being treated like this. This might ruin Thanksgiving for Klapisch. Why? Does Jeter kickback a portion of his salary to Klapisch, et. al.?

I liked you more when you picked on edgy

[batmagadanleadoff]

metirish wrote: metirish wrote: So funny to read some of the writers , they come off like they are insulted that Jeter is being treated like this. This might ruin Thanksgiving for Klapisch. Why? Does Jeter kickback a portion of his salary to Klapisch, et. al.? I liked you more when you picked on edgy

I'm not picking on you. I'm picking on Klapisch. And Lupica. I'm on your side, man. Didn't you read my post to you in the iPod thread?

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

And Verducci! Don't forget Verducci!

There's no way they're going to let Jeter walk, and his media buddies are aiding and abetting his negotiating.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

At least the News opted to show Jeter the black jersey. No cream-colored jersey for him!

[HahnSolo]

metsguyinmichigan wrote: And Verducci! Don't forget Verducci! There's no way they're going to let Jeter walk, and his media buddies are aiding and abetting his negotiating.

I think it is about 95-5 that he stays, but up until yesterday I always thought it was 100% that he wasn't going anywhere.

[Fman99]

Thank God the Mets are going to be skinflints this winter and therefore there is no chance that THE HERO ends up in Flushing.

I do love the pic in the Daily News of him in the different uniforms.



Ol' George must be spinning around on his rotisserie right now.

[soupcan]

HahnSolo wrote: Of course, Francesa had to bring the stupid with his assertion that if he were the Mets, he'd sign Jeter "tonight". Because the Mets need to sell tickets and Jeter would do that with his quest for 3000 hits (!). So I'm thinking, wow, would Jeter go to the Mets to play second, because Mike would surely agree that is the only spot the Mets could play him. Oh, no, "put Jetah at short and move Reyes to second, or, put Jetah at third and move Wright 'somewhere'." Jesus, does he even watch baseball, or know anything about the Met fan?

I feel better knowing Alderson is in charge and making these decisions now rather than Omar.

[Frayed Knot]

The whole concept of "not letting him walk" assumes a couple of things:
1 - that he's going to get a better offer elsewhere
2 - that the team won't come off their stance and top that offer
3 - and/or that Jeter will get so pissed off at his "treatment" that's he'll take a better, or even a comparable, offer and play elsewhere



My take is:

- #1 isn't going to happen. As already mentioned, $15mil until age 40 is already more than generous (maybe 2x more) and it's coming from the team that has both the most money and the most reasons to want him.

- If #1 does happen (assuming it's not too ridiculous) the Yanx will swallow their pride and up the contract but at least for now their whole strategy is betting that, unless and until that happens, they'd merely be bidding against themselves. They're not numb to your charms Derek, they just don't see the need to pay for them if they don't have to.

- and I don't think it'll come to #3 either. He has as many reasons to want the Yanx as they do to want him so, unless his Alex-hatred is so high at this point that he refuses to step on the same field knowing they're paying that bum until he's 83 years old but suddenly got fiscally smart (or at least closer to it) when his turn came around, it'll be his turn to swallow pride like it was an ice-cream soda.




The media, as always, are simply rooting for the best story and the best story involves Jeter sticking around NYC.

[Guest Edgy DC]

But Francesa was definitely my second choice.

[soupcan]

Francesa opened the show with 'The Jetah Situation' again today.

The guy is such a transparent shill its embarassing.

[Benjamin Grimm]

If Derek Jeter was a Met I'd be as excited about his 3,000th hit as I was about Gary Sheffield's 500th home run or Tom Glavine's 300th win. Which was not at all.

[Centerfield]

The Yankees should step up here and pay him $150 million over the next five. Anything less is insulting to the Captain. You can't put a price tag on clutch, but it's worth at least $27,874,332.87 per.

Jeter on the O's would be horrible for baseball. (God forbid he should walk and the MFY's use that $15 million on a player actually worth it.)

In fact, I think paying Jeter but leaving out all the other Yankee greats is pretty fucking shitty of the team. Mantle, DiMaggio and the Babe all deserve $40 million per year for everything they've done.