Yankee Offseason

[ashie62]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: If Derek Jeter was a Met I'd be as excited about his 3,000th hit as I was about Gary Sheffield's 500th home run or Tom Glavine's 300th win. Which was not at all.

Thank you.

[Ceetar]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: If Derek Jeter was a Met I'd be as excited about his 3,000th hit as I was about Gary Sheffield's 500th home run or Tom Glavine's 300th win. Which was not at all.

I was marginally excited about Glavine. He'd been building up Mets stats to being tolerable. I didn't know he was saving up so he could set it all on fire at once.

There was a point I thought Delgado might get to 501 home runs faster than Sheffield.

The only thing that would make me 'excited' about Jeter's 3000th hit as a Met is if it came @ Yankee Stadium off Rivera during the subway series and went through the new SS's legs to do so and win the game.

[HahnSolo]

Ceetar wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: If Derek Jeter was a Met I'd be as excited about his 3,000th hit as I was about Gary Sheffield's 500th home run or Tom Glavine's 300th win. Which was not at all. I was marginally excited about Glavine. He'd been building up Mets stats to being tolerable. I didn't know he was saving up so he could set it all on fire at once.

It also allowed us to see Mrs. Glavine giving Guillermo Mota a death stare.

[G-Fafif]

Centerfield wrote: The Yankees should step up here and pay him $150 million over the next five. Anything less is insulting to the Captain. You can't put a price tag on clutch, but it's worth at least $27,874,332.87 per.

Amen!

Reading Richard Ben Cramer's bio of DiMaggio presently and history continues to repeat itself. The Great DiMag got screwed by MFY ownership back when being screwed wasn't 3 years at $15 mil per after raking in $189 mil over a decade -- and when testing the open market meant going back to Fisherman's Wharf and crabbing for a living. Joe wanted $40,000 a year after leading the world in everything his first two seasons and being almost universally adored for doing so. MFYs painted him as an ungrateful, unproven bastard and the press played along. After holding out through spring training and the first few days of the season, DiMaggio was forced to settle for $25,000 and was docked every day that he had to train on his own (and had to pay his own travel expenses until he could rejoin the team at full strength). And he was booed for the next three months.

He remained bitter about it for the rest of his life, which was only another six decades at that point.

[batmagadanleadoff]

You just can't win with this bastard Jeter. If he played for another team, as soon as the Yankees failed to win a WS, the press hacks would attribute that to Jeter's absence.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

The Glavine Wins 300 hype for me was the crystallizing moment of the Mets' complete loss of touch with its fans, and its disturbing inward focus.

I mean, this was obviously all a show for Glavine, and had nothing to do with the fans, nor the team, yet was fed us like some kind of treat.

--Hooray for round numbers ac heived as a Met despite the vast majority coming withour biggest rival!

--Hooray for us! We committed more money and more resources than anyone else for a veteran pitcher to head up a shitty team going nowhere!

[Ceetar]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: The Glavine Wins 300 hype for me was the crystallizing moment of the Mets' complete loss of touch with its fans, and its disturbing inward focus. I mean, this was obviously all a show for Glavine, and had nothing to do with the fans, nor the team, yet was fed us like some kind of treat. --Hooray for round numbers ac heived as a Met despite the vast majority coming withour biggest rival! --Hooray for us! We committed more money and more resources than anyone else for a veteran pitcher to head up a shitty team going nowhere!

shitty team going nowhere? That game should've been a iconic moment on the World Series DVD. A flashback from him hoisting that World Series trophy after a season in which he got his 300th win, and pitched a gutsy game to get the Mets to a playin game. It was the precipitus of winning as much as a Met as he did as a Brave.

[G-Fafif]

The Mets were going nowhere when they signed Glavine, though to his credit (which I acknowledge through clenched teeth), he helped get them somewhere before utterly imploding (both he and them).

The extravaganza celebrating his 300th win (the buildup as well as the gala they held for him when they got back to Shea) could have been billed as Cognitive Dissonance Day, complete with the DiamondVision blaring extended congrats from such Mets fan favorites as John Smoltz, Leo Mazzone and Bobby Cox. Glavine taking the mic and telling the fans, in so many words, "you didn't like me and I didn't like you," was, quite honestly, the moment I liked him best.

As for Gary Sheffield's 500th home run, you can still go to mets.com and wear a piece of history from that momentous occasion.

I rather enjoyed watching Lenny Harris achieve his all-time pinch-hit record as a Met despite many of those safeties being collected in a slew of other uniforms.

[Frayed Knot]

The Lenny Harris PH record may have touched off its own record for greatest gap between over-the-top on-field celebration vs importance of the feat.
I mean, I understand that Lenny was a fun-loving & popular guy with his teammates but it was hardly a reason for an empty-the-dugout, back-pounding moment.

Compared to the Sheffield 500th, the Franco 400th, the Piazza catcher HR record, and the Lenny PH record, the Glavine 300th was probably more in proportion than to actual accomplishment than the Mets have 'hosted' and promoted in a long while.

[G-Fafif]

Frayed Knot wrote: Compared to the Sheffield 500th, the Franco 400th, the Piazza catcher HR record, and the Lenny PH record, the Glavine 300th was probably more in proportion than to actual accomplishment than the Mets have 'hosted' and promoted in a long while.

Oh, I don't know. I thought Julio Franco reaching his 400th birthday was pretty momentous.

[ashie62]

I am satisfied that Francessa and MFY fans are going through their own personal hell at the moment.

Happy Thanksgiving!

[Guest Edgy DC]

Anti-clamactic Met milestones...

Glavine's 300th win
Sheffield's 500th homer
Lenny Harris' stupid pinch hit
Lee Mazzilli's 1,00th hit (just made me feel bad about how good he almost was)
Gary Carter's 300th homer (drained the life out of that summer)
Was Willie Mays 650th homer treated as a big deal?

[ashie62]

I don't remember May's 650th being that big a deal. The game was stopped for a moment.

Having said that, for me, the Mays milestone rings Blue and Orange for me, not so much the others.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Edgy DC wrote: Garry Carter's 300th homer (drained the life out of that summer)

It sure did. How long was he stuck on 299? I seem to remember it was something like five or six weeks.

[Frayed Knot]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Edgy DC wrote: Garry Carter's 300th homer (drained the life out of that summer) It sure did. How long was he stuck on 299? I seem to remember it was something like five or six weeks.

Looking it up ... WOW!! it was even worse than I remember.

He only hit 11 that season (1988) but 7 were in April.
#299 came on May 16 -- and #300 not until AUG 11 - and there doesn't appear to be a large injury gap where he wasn't playing in between.

He hit #301 three days later, but then only one more after that for the rest of the season.

The following season saw him get just 150 ABs and 2 HRs - his last as a Met
He went on to hit 20 more across three seasons.

[Guest Kong76]

Still he always seemed to be in front of a camera after
the games regardless.

[Frayed Knot]

For those thinking Boston might make a big play for Jetes:

Marco Scutaro: .275/.333/.388 -- 695 PAs, 49 XBHs -- Age 34; Salary for 2011 = $5 mil, commitment for 2011 only plus 2012 club/player option for $6m/$3m w/$1.5m buyout

Derek Jeter: .270/.340/.370 -- 739 PAs, 43 XBHs -- Age 36; Salary for 2011 = at least $15 mil (figuring they'd have to more than meet the NYY offer) with a commitment thru 2013 at the minimum


But of course there is that jump throw thing to take into account.



Jeter-ites can complain all they want about how the Yanx are being hard-asses here - although if the Yanx were REALLY interested in being hard-asses they'd tell him to go shop around the league all he wants but after one week their $15x3 offer becomes $10x2 plus a club option. And then a week after that it becomes $8x2 w/no option.

[MFS62]

Frayed Knot wrote: Marco Scutaro: .275/.333/.388 -- 695 PAs, 49 XBHs -- Age 34; Salary for 2011 = $5 mil, commitment for 2011 only plus 2012 club/player option for $6m/$3m w/$1.5m buyout Derek Jeter: .270/.340/.370 -- 739 PAs, 43 XBHs -- Age 36; Salary for 2011 = at least $15 mil (figuring they'd have to more than meet the NYY offer) with a commitment thru 2013 at the minimum

Dammit!
Y'know, I had ths feeling when the Mets got rid of Scuttaro that one day he would become as least as good as Derek Jeter.
Later

[metirish]

This is amazing from Heyman

SI_JonHeyman
cashman not helping matters by insulting & challenging jeter. he needs to chill. on si.com: http://tinyurl.com/2cjc4g2

[batmagadanleadoff]

Following the Heyman links leads to a Joe Posnanski article and this chart, listing the highest cumulative WARs in MLB over the last 10 seasons:



The legend of Carlos Beltran continues to grow.....

Also , Albert Pujols average season is MVP caliber (as if no one knew this). Barry Bonds' typical season (last 10 years) is an all-time one for the ages season.

[Guest Edgy DC]

This is amazing from Heyman SI_JonHeyman cashman not helping matters by insulting & challenging jeter. he needs to chill. on si.com: http://tinyurl.com/2cjc4g2

He is so helping matters. American matters.

[ashie62]

Following the Heyman links leads to a Joe Posnanski article and this chart, listing the highest cumulative WARs in MLB over the last 10 seasons: The legend of Carlos Beltran continues to grow..... Also , Albert Pujols average season is MVP caliber (as if no one knew this). Barry Bonds' typical season (last 10 years) is an all-time one for the ages season.

Very interesting. I'm not surprised to see Helton there. He has quietly been very very good. I see him as an HOF candidate but I believe many will think of him as a compilier.

[ashie62]

metirish wrote: This is amazing from Heyman SI_JonHeyman cashman not helping matters by insulting & challenging jeter. he needs to chill. on si.com: http://tinyurl.com/2cjc4g2

Maybe Boras wants Jeter to fire his agent.

[seawolf17]

Ashie62 wrote: This is amazing from Heyman SI_JonHeyman cashman not helping matters by insulting & challenging jeter. he needs to chill. on si.com: http://tinyurl.com/2cjc4g2 Maybe Boras wants Jeter to fire his agent.

LOL that would be epic. Could you imagine what Boras would be asking for Jeter?

[Benjamin Grimm]

Back page of the Daily News today says that Jeter wants $25 million per year over six years.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Keep over-reaching, and you'll be playing for twelve million over two years for the Hiroshima Carp.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Back page of the Daily News today says that Jeter wants $25 million per year over six years.

YES. Go Derek Go!

However this turns out is OK with me: The MFYs pay too much ... Jeter gets dissed ... MFYs lose Jeter ... some other team gets Jeter ... fans get tortured ... Cashman gets fired ... etc etc. All good.

[metirish]

Cappy should really ask for more and then settle for the 6 years at 25 mils...

[Ceetar]

Which would be more damaging to the "Jeter Allure?" Him bolting for another team, or him having 3+ bad seasons that have Yankees fans calling into WFAN wondering why the Yankees aren't "forcing him into retirement?"

[Benjamin Grimm]

Here's how it can turn out bad for us: Jeter leaves, Yankees sign Reyes to replace him. Jose wins three rings with the Yankees.