Edgy MD Site Manager Posted Sunday at 06:39 PM Posted Sunday at 06:39 PM Jerry Koosman, Mets Hall-of-Famer, 1969 champion, all-time lefthander, and forever all-time #36 on your scorecards, has entered the hereafter at the age of 83.
Frayed Knot Old-Timey Member Posted Sunday at 06:51 PM Posted Sunday at 06:51 PM Mom never liked Seaver. Kooz was her guy.
metirish Old-Timey Member Posted Sunday at 07:04 PM Posted Sunday at 07:04 PM Rest in peace, a true NY Mets great
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted Sunday at 07:06 PM Author Posted Sunday at 07:06 PM Koos, as recently as a few months ago, had made the news for selling off career memorabilia, suggesting he knew the end was near and was cleaning house. I look at him as undervalued in basebal history, but klosing out an improbably World Series viktory with a komplete game win is a kareer in itself. whippoorwill 1
Gwreck Old-Timey Member Posted Sunday at 07:07 PM Posted Sunday at 07:07 PM There’s a real good argument that Koosman should have been World Series MVP. Edgy MD 1
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted Sunday at 07:14 PM Author Posted Sunday at 07:14 PM 5 minutes ago, Gwreck said: There’s a real good argument that Koosman should have been World Series MVP. Indeed. There's possibly a stronger argument out there for Al Weis. MFS62 1
Gwreck Old-Timey Member Posted Sunday at 08:06 PM Posted Sunday at 08:06 PM Who are the all-time greatest #2 starting pitchers? Tom Glavine, ATL, 1993-2002 Don Drysdale, LAD, 1958-1966 Gaylord Perry, SF, 1962-1971 and then Koosman at #4?
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted Sunday at 08:39 PM Author Posted Sunday at 08:39 PM I like the question. I imagine there are a lot of Red Ruffins and Ed Ruelbachs out there we wouldn't even think of, despite very strong cases.
metirish Old-Timey Member Posted Sunday at 09:41 PM Posted Sunday at 09:41 PM The Hot Corner and MFS62 1 1
whippoorwill Old-Timey Member Posted Sunday at 10:06 PM Posted Sunday at 10:06 PM Loved Jerry Koosman 😢 just seemed so regular and wholesome MFS62 1
ashie62 Old-Timey Member Posted Sunday at 11:17 PM Posted Sunday at 11:17 PM In 1968 Jerry Koosman tosses 263.1 innings going 19-12 with a 2.08 ERA. He also throws 17 complete games and seven shutouts. All of this however is not enough to beat out Johnny Bench for Rookie of the Year. He was a Mets grown lefty who I think of as the other side of Tom Seaver RIP, Gone but never forgotten
MFS62 Old-Timey Member Posted Sunday at 11:39 PM Posted Sunday at 11:39 PM 4 hours ago, Frayed Knot said: Mom never liked Seaver. Kooz was her guy. Me, too. Koosman was a more “ regular guy” you could have a beer with. He showed humility. I always liked Jerry better. RIP later whippoorwill 1
Centerfield Old-Timey Member Posted Monday at 12:17 AM Posted Monday at 12:17 AM We’re nearing the time where we won’t have any ‘69 Mets left. Sad times.
Frayed Knot Old-Timey Member Posted Monday at 12:29 AM Posted Monday at 12:29 AM 1 hour ago, ashie62 said: In 1968 Jerry Koosman tosses 263.1 innings going 19-12 with a 2.08 ERA. He also throws 17 complete games and seven shutouts. All of this however is not enough to beat out Johnny Bench for Rookie of the Year. 20 voters for awards in those pre-expansion days: 10 voters went with Bench, 9 for Koosman, and one guy split his vote between the two. So it was 10.5 for Bench to 9.5 for Kooz (only first place votes then, no seconds or thirds, etc.) So close, yet so far. Kooz may have lost out on two post-season awards due to following Seaver, as in maybe some voters didn't want to double up on one team two years running. One was that ROY award in '68 after Tom had won it in '67, And then his 2nd place CY finish in '76 where the voters went with SD's Randy Jones just one season after Jones was runner-up to Seaver. Although, in fairness, Jones did have an outrageous year that season: [(led league) 40 GS, 25 CG, 315 IP, 1,251 Batters Faced*, 2.74 ERA, 1.027 WHIP] while significantly trailing Kooz in only strikeouts (93 to 200). * Sandy Alcantara led MLB this year with 894
Gwreck Old-Timey Member Posted Monday at 01:49 AM Posted Monday at 01:49 AM 1 hour ago, Centerfield said: We’re nearing the time where we won’t have any ‘69 Mets left. Sad times. A lot of deaths over the past few years: Grote, Buddy, Kranepool, Ron Taylor, Jim McAndrew, Jack DiLauro, and now Koosman. 10 players are still with us from the WS team: Boswell, Garrett, Cleon, Swoboda, JC Martin, Al Weis, Art Shamsky, Rod Gaspar, Gary Gentry, Nolan Ryan.
Marshmallowmilkshake Old-Timey Member Posted Monday at 02:15 AM Posted Monday at 02:15 AM Koosman had one of the coolest signatures!
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted Monday at 02:47 AM Author Posted Monday at 02:47 AM 12 hours ago, Frayed Knot said: Kooz may have lost out on two post-season awards due to following Seaver, as in maybe some voters didn't want to double up on one team two years running. One was that ROY award in '68 after Tom had won it in '67, And then his 2nd place CY finish in '76 where the voters went with SD's Randy Jones just one season after Jones was runner-up to Seaver. The deserving Mets Cy Young candidate who didn't get a sniff of the trophy in that era was Jon Matlack, who may have been the best NL pitcher in 1974, but had a losing W-L record, and failed to garner a single point. Chad ochoseis 1
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted Monday at 01:27 PM Author Posted Monday at 01:27 PM Koosman was the starter in the blackout game of July 13, 1977, putting him at Ground Zero in the moment we all left our original timeline and entered this one.
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted Monday at 02:42 PM Author Posted Monday at 02:42 PM "He would throw a curfball that would hit me in de face, y'know?" Kooz Part 1
Cowtipper Old-Timey Member Posted Monday at 03:05 PM Posted Monday at 03:05 PM All the living Mets from 1969, per the Baseball Reference Bullpen: Ken Boswell Duffy Dyer Wayne Garrett Rod Gaspar Gary Gentry Jim Gosger Bob Heise Jesse Hudson Bob Johnson Cleon Jones J.C. Martin Amos Otis Bobby Pfeil Nolan Ryan Art Shamsky Ron Swoboda Al Weis
Benjamin Grimm Old-Timey Member Posted Monday at 04:23 PM Posted Monday at 04:23 PM The graphic above says the same. Those who have died have their photos in a black border.
Chad ochoseis Old-Timey Member Posted Monday at 04:38 PM Posted Monday at 04:38 PM 20 hours ago, Gwreck said: Who are the all-time greatest #2 starting pitchers? Tom Glavine, ATL, 1993-2002 Don Drysdale, LAD, 1958-1966 Gaylord Perry, SF, 1962-1971 and then Koosman at #4? His '69 O's counterpart, Mike Cuellar, has a pretty good case. And I also think about Johnny Sain, but that may simply be because he got a rhyme. Nothing rhymes with "Koosman". MFS62 1
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted Monday at 05:32 PM Author Posted Monday at 05:32 PM Well, there could be "Seaver and Koos, and hitting the booze." But I take it that the rhyme was less about Johnny Sain being the terrifickest #2, so much as their #3, 4, and 5 starters representing a big dropoff. And that rarely was particularly the case with the Mets, as the #3's behind Jerry included Gary Gentry and Jon Matlack.
Cowtipper Old-Timey Member Posted Tuesday at 02:49 PM Posted Tuesday at 02:49 PM There are some folks who think Koosman should be in the actual Hall of Fame and, as starters are used less and less and numbers like his look gaudier and gaudier, I have a hunch Koosman and pitchers like him will rise in peoples' evaluations in the future. His most similar list is solid. Only one Hall of Famer, but arguments can actually be made for quite a few of them:
The Hot Corner Old-Timey Member Posted Wednesday at 12:15 AM Posted Wednesday at 12:15 AM Koosman was a Mets legend and good man. His passing was a sad day for Mets baseball. RIP Koos.
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