F the MFYs - 2022 Thread

[Edgy MD]

Josh Donaldson will have some explainin' to do.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

He called Tim Anderson "Jackie"

[nymr83]

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: He called Tim Anderson "Jackie"

Which, with no context, sounds racist. But Donaldson's explanation seems fine by me. Anderson not liking something doesn't make it racist.

[Edgy MD]

Mets have nine more outs to fill up my senses.

[Gwreck]

It was an unquestionably an incredibly inappropriate remark and a dumb thing to say. Sure, to exactly what degree it was born of racial animus is less clear.



But let us be perfectly clear that Donaldson's comment should not be “fine” by anyone.

[nymr83]

Donaldson was being an asshole? Sure.

[Willets Point]

https://twitter.com/cheapbbpodcast/status/1528146741878472711

[Ceetar]

Donaldson only gets 1-game, appealing...



..after his Covid stint.

[Frayed Knot]

"Only" one game for "being disrespectful".

MLB apparently outlawing bench-jockeying these days.

[Ceetar]

well, racist bench-jockeying where you mock black guys and generalize them for being black.

[Frayed Knot]

I don't believe for a moment that what Donaldson said, essentially teasing Anderson for a prior claim to be the "New Jackie", is "mocking black guys" and it certainly is generalizing anyone.

Unless of course you have some sort of info that he calls everyone with dark skin 'Jackie' at which point I may be forced to re-evaluate my stance.

[Gwreck]

Frayed Knot wrote: "Only" one game for "being disrespectful". MLB apparently outlawing bench-jockeying these days.

I would characterize that as a poorly described, inaccurate, and incomplete summary.



We can just go to the full statement:

[bLOCKQUOTE] “MLB has completed the process of speaking to the individuals involved in this incident. There is no dispute over what was said on the field,” said Michael Hill, Major League Baseball's senior vice president for on-field operations.

“Regardless of Mr. Donaldson's intent, the comment he directed toward Mr. Anderson was disrespectful and in poor judgment, particularly when viewed in the context of their prior interactions. In addition, Mr. Donaldson's remark was a contributing factor in a bench-clearing incident between the teams, and warrants discipline.[/bLOCKQUOTE]

https://www.mlb.com/news/josh-donaldson-suspension-may-23-2022https://www.mlb.com/news/josh-donaldson-suspension-may-23-2022

[Frayed Knot]

I would characterize that as a poorly described, inaccurate, and incomplete summary.

Me: a one game suspension for being disrespectful

MLB: Mr. Donaldson's ... comment he directed toward Mr. Anderson was disrespectful and in poor judgment, particularly when viewed in the context of their prior interactions.



I'd call it an almost verbatim summary







"In addition, Mr. Donaldson's remark was a contributing factor in a bench-clearing incident between the teams, and warrants discipline."



I'd cite Anderson's reaction to the comments -- way fuckin' over the top IMO -- as the bigger instigating factor.









Donaldson was pushing buttons and Anderson took the bait. BFD! Play Ball.

[Gwreck]

Well, we just have a different understanding of the word “verbatim” I suppose. I also think it laughable to call it “outlawing bench-jockeying.”



As the MLB statement referenced, Donaldson's actions last weekend when he pushed Anderson off third on a tag play were an aggravating factor, as was the role of Donaldson in the bench-clearing incident.



And as we all know, of course, it was Donaldson jawing about it with Grandal (not Anderson) when benches cleared.

[Frayed Knot]

I'd have an easier time accepting "Donaldson's role in the bench clearing" if Anderson & Grandal weren't being treated as if passive bystanders in the whole thing, as if their roles were somehow a

non-factor. All of which points me to a conclusion this is punishment really about the words -- one name really -- with the rest of it being used as fodder to pretend that it isn't.



Teasing with malice aforethought, oh the humanity!

[Ceetar]

I initially was confused, but it didn't take much to realize that derisively referring to someone by a famous person of that race is hella not cool.



When Tim made the Jackie Robinson comparison it was from a place where he was one of only 72 black major league players and he was being suspended for playing with passion, getting plunked for it and then using the N word. He was the only black player on the White Sox at the time as well. There was context about race to why he said it.



It's pretty much exactly the same as saying "all lives matter" when black people talk about police murder.



Anderson talking about racial inequality and Donaldson is basically like "okay Jackie" and rolling his eyes. It's dismissive and cruel.



It's possible to act in a racist manner without actively thinking "oh fuck him, he's black". It's the very act of trivializing it and mocking it that's problematic here. He's clear that he's not saying it as a compliment. It's derisive.

[Willets Point]

If a Black person calls their friend the n-word in a joking way it's seen as affectionate. If a white dude, especially one who is an asshole and not friends with the Black person, says the n-word, it's an insult. This is a similar situation. Especially since Donaldson is a white supremacist asshole with a history of stirring up shit with the White Sox and not friends with Anderson in any way that would make "Jackie" an affectionate jibe. The white supremacists know this but they will never say it out loud because the gaslighting is part of how they advance their "supremacy."

[Willets Point]

https://www.thenation.com/article/society/when-jackie-robinson-is-used-as-a-racial-slur/When “Jackie Robinson” Is Used as a Racial Slur

[Fman99]

What classless jackasses they grow up in dem Bronx

[Centerfield]

I've taken some time to think through my thoughts because I had a hard time resolving the conflicting feelings I was having on this. I think I'm comfortable with my feelings on this now.





I don't like that Tim Anderson compared himself to Jackie Robinson. In a way, I think this is somewhat tone deaf. Anderson, nor anyone living today, can truly appreciate what Jackie went through. And when he makes that comparison, I think he minimizes the abuse Jackie suffered, and the measures society has taken to address it. We are far from perfect now, but if you discount all of that progress and compare Tim Anderson's situation to Jackie Robinson, you undermine the motivation to get better.



That being said, Donaldson is wrong. Tim Anderson is allowed to compare himself to Jackie Robinson, the man, not Jackie Robinson the player. When Tim says "I feel like the modern day Jackie Robinson", he's saying I feel the impact of modern day racism, and it's a burden he has to shoulder every day. Donaldson, a white man, mocking that statement is minimizing or making light of that struggle. His message is "Everything is fine, don't be a whiny bitch about perceived racism. No one's burning crosses anymore". And this is unequivocally wrong.



And everyone chanting "Jackie" at Yankee Stadium is a piece of shit.

[Marshmallowmilkshake]

https://nypost.com/2022/05/25/yankees-fan-steals-aaron-judge-ball-out-of-little-kids-glove/https://nypost.com/2022/05/25/yankees-fan-steals-aaron-judge-ball-out-of-little-kids-glove/



They really do have the worst, most entitled fans ever.

[Willets Point]

I guess if a young Aaron Judge fan wants a ball he has to go to Toronto.

[nymr83]

https://nypost.com/2022/05/25/yankees-fan-steals-aaron-judge-ball-out-of-little-kids-glove/https://nypost.com/2022/05/25/yankees-fan-steals-aaron-judge-ball-out-of-little-kids-glove/ They really do have the worst, most entitled fans ever.

That is so scummy. Yankee Stadium classic.

[Gwreck]

[Frayed Knot]

To be clear, that's the game coverage on their Twitter account, not the TV or radio broadcasts.

[nymr83]

Frayed Knot wrote: To be clear, that's the game coverage on their Twitter account, not the TV or radio broadcasts.

Oh, so this isnt the "WOW" I thought it was when I first read that, it is just YAWN.

[Willets Point]

https://twitter.com/yankees/status/1529955869428965379

This is more "Fuck Yeah! The Yankees!"

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Let's credit the Ray's for this!

[A Boy Named Seo]

Frayed Knot wrote: I don't believe for a moment that what Donaldson said, essentially teasing Anderson for a prior claim to be the "New Jackie", is "mocking black guys" and it certainly is generalizing anyone. Unless of course you have some sort of info that he calls everyone with dark skin 'Jackie' at which point I may be forced to re-evaluate my stance.

If it isn't being used to mock a Black player, then what is it? He's certainly not calling him Jackie out of reverence for Jackie Robinson and that's the problem.



I realize I'm late on this, and Donaldson already issued his bullshit apology, but if he just wanted to troll TA and get in his head, he didn't need to invoke Jackie' name, even if Tim did 3 years ago.

[nymr83]

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: I don't believe for a moment that what Donaldson said, essentially teasing Anderson for a prior claim to be the "New Jackie", is "mocking black guys" and it certainly is generalizing anyone. Unless of course you have some sort of info that he calls everyone with dark skin 'Jackie' at which point I may be forced to re-evaluate my stance. If it isn't being used to mock a Black player, then what is it? He's certainly not calling him Jackie out of reverence for Jackie Robinson and that's the problem. I realize I'm late on this, and Donaldson already issued his bullshit apology, but if he just wanted to troll TA and get in his head, he didn't need to invoke Jackie' name, even if Tim did 3 years ago.

Yes the apology is bullshit, because he was mocking him. But he was mocking him for comparing himself to Jackie Robinson, as in "you're no Jackie Robinson you asshat" - that makes Donaldson a jerk, not a racist.