Mickey in Hot Water (split from Rank the Managers)

[Centerfield]

Michael Kay (yeah, I know) predicts the floodgates are about to burst with stories like this. https://www.nj.com/yankees/2021/02/yankees-michael-kay-mickey-callaway-and-many-more-preyed-on-women-reporters-marriages-careers-will-be-ruined.htmlhttps://www.nj.com/yankees/2021/02/yankees-michael-kay-mickey-callaway-and-many-more-preyed-on-women-reporters-marriages-careers-will-be-ruined.html Were there any gift baskets involved? Later

From the article:

“I spoke to a number of women the last couple of years who told me about Callaway,” Kay said in a rant that lasted more than 15 minutes. “They said he's one of the biggest dogs you've ever seen in baseball. So it was well known. And the guy keeps getting jobs. The Mets hired him. How did the Mets not know? The women that are covering the team were getting hit on constantly in texts and the Mets had no clue whatsoever.”

Hey dickhead. If you knew, why didn't you say anything? Why did you stay quiet? Imagine the lack of self awareness it takes to write that article.

[MFS62]

=Centerfield post_id=55389 time=1612391434 user_id=65]
Hey dickhead. If you knew, why didn't you say anything? Why did you stay quiet? Imagine the lack of self awareness it takes to write that article.

[MFS62]

=Centerfield post_id=55389 time=1612391434 user_id=65]
From the article:

“I spoke to a number of women the last couple of years who told me about Callaway,” Kay said in a rant that lasted more than 15 minutes. “They said he's one of the biggest dogs you've ever seen in baseball. So it was well known. And the guy keeps getting jobs. The Mets hired him. How did the Mets not know? The women that are covering the team were getting hit on constantly in texts and the Mets had no clue whatsoever.”

Hey dickhead. If you knew, why didn't you say anything? Why did you stay quiet? Imagine the lack of self awareness it takes to write that article.

[nymr83]

I don't know if Kay should have said anything or not. But to say "how could you not know" when you yourself knew and didn't say anything - well, that is why they didn't know you fucking idiot! because people like you didn't say anything!

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

I don't know if it's his place to say something as a journalist without having checked it out himself. In retrospect he could have whispered to Jeff but to have publicly said something is problematic if the victims are unwilling to verify, which they were until now.



It probably wasn't Kay, but some other journo brought this story to the attention of those who broke it. It's also possible Kay is only relaying what was known in 18 when the Mets were tipped and subsequently did nothing

[Lefty Specialist]

I don't know if Kay should have said anything or not. But to say "how could you not know" when you yourself knew and didn't say anything - well, that is why they didn't know you fucking idiot! because people like you didn't say anything!

I'm guessing that Kay a) didn't want to get on anyone's shit list, or thought it was just 'boys being boys', but now gets to harrumph about it.

[MFS62]

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: It probably wasn't Kay, but some other journo brought this story to the attention of those who broke it. It's also possible Kay is only relaying what was known in 18 when the Mets were tipped and subsequently did nothing

He apparently knew longer than that.

“I spoke to a number of women the last couple of years who told me about Callaway,” Kay said in a rant that lasted more than 15 minutes

And didn't say or do anything.

Later

[G-Fafif]

On the Metrospective podcast, Tim Britton of the Athletic describes knowing a Mickey situation existed pretty much from the start of Callaway's Met tenure (“whispers”) and that it was clear as 2018 progressed. His thought process about not having reported it indicates not really wanting to pursue the story — he rationalizes he reported on his being a bad manager and calling for his firing, therefore he was steering toward the merited conclusion independent of Callaway's creepiness. He gives a good explanation of why a reporter might not want go to an editor to complain about the creepiness: if you (presumably one of the harassed women) don't want to accept a manager's invitation to “get beers,” maybe you shouldn't be on this beat...and covering a Major League Baseball team is a plum assignment.



The subject comes up around the 6:00 mark and goes for about eight minutes. (Available on other pod platforms if you don't subscribe to the Athletic.)



https://theathletic.com/podcast/38-the-metrospective/?episode=136https://theathletic.com/podcast/38-the-metrospective/?episode=136

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: It probably wasn't Kay, but some other journo brought this story to the attention of those who broke it. It's also possible Kay is only relaying what was known in 18 when the Mets were tipped and subsequently did nothing He apparently knew longer than that. “I spoke to a number of women the last couple of years who told me about Callaway,” Kay said in a rant that lasted more than 15 minutes And didn't say or do anything.

Those remarks I'm sure we're not "on the record" so to speak, and Kay ultimately is a talk show host journalist and not necessarily an investigative journalist. As relayed by Britton above there is nuance to it that's lost. It's not in every jockporters' purview or professional best interests, to be trafficking this stuff, as noted the nature of it puts everyone in an awkward position

[Edgy MD]

It does. But somebody's got to be the grown-up.

[metsmarathon]

also, if you're a sports journalist, you likely work with some sort of investigative journalist in your organization, who might look to break a story wide open.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

That's pretty much how it happened, writers with an investigative bent and the juice to pull it off, got a hold of it, and got the victims to speak on the record if anonymously, checked out their stories, reached out to the affected orgs and Mickey for comment, wrote, edited etc.



I agree it coulda come sooner given the Aug 2018 "investigation" thing that sort of came and went and Kay taking a victory lap here is not tasteful or warranted but sorta irrelevant

[Centerfield]

Edgy MD wrote: It does. But somebody's got to be the grown-up.

Exactly.

[Marshmallowmilkshake]

=metsmarathon post_id=55411 time=1612455740 user_id=83]
also, if you're a sports journalist, you likely work with some sort of investigative journalist in your organization, who might look to break a story wide open.

[Centerfield]

Lefty Specialist wrote: I don't know if Kay should have said anything or not. But to say "how could you not know" when you yourself knew and didn't say anything - well, that is why they didn't know you fucking idiot! because people like you didn't say anything! I'm guessing that Kay a) didn't want to get on anyone's shit list, or thought it was just 'boys being boys', but now gets to harrumph about it.

This is right.

[G-Fafif]

New Athletic article with https://theathletic.com/2420251/2021/03/02/indians-mickey-callaway-behavior/more self-inflicted Mickey mud, mostly about Cleveland, but with this Flushing nugget:

”He was on his phone all the time,” recalled one male Mets employee. “(I was like), ‘Two hours before a game, buddy? Aren't you having a meeting?' You could tell it had nothing to do with the game. It's 5:15, who are you texting?” According to one former Mets employee, Callaway earned a nickname among several people within the organization: “Dick Pic Mick.”

[Benjamin Grimm]

Good grief. If he was so bad at hiding it then obviously a lot of people were looking the other way.



What do you do though, if you have a co-worker who outranks you and is behaving badly? I know what the right thing to do is, but it's not at all an easy thing to do.

[smg58]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Good grief. If he was so bad at hiding it then obviously a lot of people were looking the other way. What do you do though, if you have a co-worker who outranks you and is behaving badly? I know what the right thing to do is, but it's not at all an easy thing to do.

I'm worried that people who DID outrank Callaway knew.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Yes, but that's a different story. Those people definitely should have done something. And that's a story that needs to be told.

[G-Fafif]

[kcmets]

I didn't re-read the whole thread but seriously what are people thinking these days? In simpler

times I guess it was not put stuff in writing or get recorded on a phone call. Who takes a picture

of their cock and sends it to co-workers or colleagues? Mickey does. Gotta be some mental illness

thing because dumb and stupid don't apply here.

[MFS62]

Who takes a picture of their cock and sends it to co-workers or colleagues?

One congressman showed his weiner:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1394860/Anthony-Weiner-Twitter-scandal-I-sent-lewd-photos-6-women-lied-it.htmlhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1394860/Anthony-Weiner-Twitter-scandal-I-sent-lewd-photos-6-women-lied-it.html



Later

[kcmets]

Horrid web-site, the crap and fluff just keeps loading and loading...

[Edgy MD]

Would I be right to infer that Callaway has subsequently committed a new infraction during his suspension, or that further investigation has turned up an uglier past? Or, most simply, that he's being punished for what is already known, but we've just now reached a point where we've confirmed it all with full confidence?



If we've got a increased penalty but no information on what triggered it, it's going to come out one way or another, probably quite soon. My total out-of-my-ass guess is that they cannot announce more because there are possible charges being weighed against him and perhaps others.



And then my mind does this weird jump from Mickey to Don Jr. to Matt Gaetz. That's crazy, right?

[Benjamin Grimm]

My guess is that it's this:

we've just now reached a point where we've confirmed it all with full confidence

[Edgy MD]

Yeah, there's something that's changed about me this last year or so — where I'm no longer believing the simplest explanation is the likeliest, but I'm instead gravitating toward the wackiest. Out loud.



RICHARD PRYOR FAKED THE MOON LANDING!

[Edgy MD]

Not noted above but within a half hour of MLB's announcement came a subsequent announcement from the Angels that Mickey had been let go.

[Fman99]

I'm sure he's still very employable as "guy with creepy beard who is creepy." I mean, there must be a market for that somewhere?