Cano Suspended for 2021

[G-Fafif]

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Least surprising news ever

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Solves our infield logjam!

[batmagadanleadoff]

I [CROSSOUT]wonder if[/CROSSOUT] hope that the Mets can use this incident to void the entire remainder of his contract

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[batmagadanleadoff]

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I [CROSSOUT]wonder if[/CROSSOUT] hope that the Mets can use this incident to void the entire remainder of his contract

[A Boy Named Seo]

Please keep using for 3 more years, Robby

[batmagadanleadoff]

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Solves our infield logjam!

Yes! Also explains why Cano was so good in 2020.

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[Gwreck]

Maybe now everyone will realize that trading for 36 year old players coming off PED suspensions is a bad idea.



What's that, you say? Smart people already knew that before the trade occurred?

[G-Fafif]

Van Wagenen's gotta go.

[A Boy Named Seo]

But seriously the Mets have gotten "lucky" with gargantuan salaries making themselves disappear the last two seasons.

[bmfc1]

There's now a permanent home for Jeff McNeil (unless they want to go after D.J. LeMahieu) and J.D. Davis becomes more important (and less of a trade piece). Steve doesn't need the $ but they save $24M in salary, too.



Thanks so much, Brodie. Kelenick + Dunn for a RP that killed the Mets in '19 and Cano (2 more years beyond '20) looks better and better.

Can they double-fire Brodie?

[batmagadanleadoff]

Maybe now everyone will realize that trading for 36 year old players coming off PED suspensions is a bad idea. What's that, you say? Smart people already knew that before the trade occurred?

The whole thing was a harebrained scheme motivated by desperation -- the Wilpons' desperation to make a last "win now" stand, knowing their days as owners were numbered. That's probably how BVW got the job, by playing to the Wilpons hopes that the Mets were no more than that season away from a title.

[batmagadanleadoff]

If Trump owned the Mets, he'd blame this incident on the Mariners and try to void the trade and get Kellenic back.

[MFS62]

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Can they double-fire Brodie?

[Benjamin Grimm]

Do the Mets now consider someone like Kolten Wong?



Or do they fill the position internally with McNeil or Gimenez?



I wish they had a GM (I assume Sandy is acting in the role for now) and a decision on whether or not there will be a DH.

[Centerfield]

This is good news yes?



McNeil moves back to 2B full time. The lineup becomes less left-handed. Steve/Sandy have an extra $20 million to play with. One of the candidates for DH is off the table for 2021.

[Centerfield]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Do the Mets now consider someone like Kolten Wong? Or do they fill the position internally with McNeil or Gimenez? I wish they had a GM (I assume Sandy is acting in the role for now) and a decision on whether or not there will be a DH.

Sign Springer. Trade Davis/Gimenez for Lindor. Trade a low-level prospect to Colorado and take the Arenado contract off their hands.



1. Lindor - SS

2. Springer - CF

3. Smith - 1B

4. Arenado - 3B

5. Conforto - RF

6. Alonso - DH

7. McNeil - 2B

8. Nimmo - LF

9. Who Cares - C

[batmagadanleadoff]

=Centerfield post_id=50935 time=1605733144 user_id=65]
1. Lindor - SS

2. Springer - CF

3. Smith - 1B

4. Arenado - 3B

5. Conforto - RF

6. Alonso - DH

7. McNeil - 2B

8. Nimmo - LF

9. Who Cares - C

[MFS62]

Centerfield for General Manager!

Later

[nymr83]

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If Trump owned the Mets, he'd blame this incident on the Mariners and try to void the trade and get Kellenic back.

[Frayed Knot]

I [CROSSOUT]wonder if[/CROSSOUT] hope that the Mets can use this incident to void the entire remainder of his contract

Don't think there's ever been a case of this happening. The Yanx made noise about trying to do that when Giambi "apologized" (without ever saying what he was

apologizing for) and was coming off a suck/injured season with a whole lotta money still due. They got nowhere with it and then never brought it up again after

his hitting returned to form.



The whole testing/punishment rules were collectively bargained and I can't believe that the union would ever agree to even the possibility of allowing teams to

use a positive test as a way to negate contracts and earnings beyond the stipulated length of suspension. IIRC, Cano will even continue to accumulate ML service

time during his suspension. Not that service time will matter in his case but punishment on top of the punishment isn't something at the club's discretion.

[Marshmallowmilkshake]

I don't understand why a guy in his position takes this chance.



I can't condone, but understand the temptation, for the guys who are on the cusp of getting that one huge contract and being set financially for life. But Cano already had the contract and borderline Hall of Fame numbers. Now he's out $24 mill, loses a season to add to the counting stats and pretty much kills any Hall chances he had anyway.



Plus, he already got popped once. Did he think he wouldn't get caught a second time?

[Frayed Knot]

If Trump owned the Mets, he'd blame this incident on the Mariners and try to void the trade and get Kellenic back. If he succeeded in that, even you'd love him for it.

That's what Steinbrenner used to try and pull. He'd trade for some guy, not like his first outing or two, claim the other team withheld injury information from him, petition the

commish's office to void the deal, and then denounce the commish as "Anti-Yanqui" when he wouldn't listen.





btw, Trump & Steiny are so much alike it's almost surprising they weren't biological twins. They were pals to a certain extent and there's no doubt that if ol' George were still around

he'd be the Trump-iest supporter out there and would probably (again) pressure his employees to donate their money and then force them to lie about it if an investigation came up.

That (in the closing days of the Nixon era) was what got him his first suspension from the game.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Frayed Knot wrote: I [CROSSOUT]wonder if[/CROSSOUT] hope that the Mets can use this incident to void the entire remainder of his contract Don't think there's ever been a case of this happening. The Yanx made noise about trying to do that when Giambi "apologized" (without ever saying what he was apologizing for) and was coming off a suck/injured season with a whole lotta money still due. They got nowhere with it and then never brought it up again after his hitting returned to form. The whole testing/punishment rules were collectively bargained and I can't believe that the union would ever agree to even the possibility of allowing teams to use a positive test as a way to negate contracts and earnings beyond the stipulated length of suspension. IIRC, Cano will even continue to accumulate ML service time during his suspension. Not that service time will matter in his case but punishment on top of the punishment isn't something at the club's discretion.

I'm not aware of the history regarding such a potential move. And if this scenario was specifically contemplated and then prohibited in the CBA, then that's that -- the issue's settled. (I don't actually know what''s in the CBA about this, either). But beyond these possible obstacles, I think that, win or lose, the argument to void the entire remainder of the contract would be a valid one and not frivolous.

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[metsmarathon]

jeez, what a stupid, stupid thing to've done.



but yeah, it does help to alleviate some of our logjams for this year at least. next year, well.... we'll deal with that next year.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I guess if the 2021 season has fewer than 162 games on its schedule, the suspension can extend into 2022?

[A Boy Named Seo]

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jeez, what a stupid, stupid thing to've done.



but yeah, it does help to alleviate some of our logjams for this year at least. next year, well.... we'll deal with that next year.

[A Boy Named Seo]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I guess if the 2021 season has fewer than 162 games on its schedule, the suspension can extend into 2022?

Yepp, exactly. Fingers crossed!

[batmagadanleadoff]

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: I guess if the 2021 season has fewer than 162 games on its schedule, the suspension can extend into 2022? Yepp, exactly. Fingers crossed!

Fingers crossed for what? Another 60 game season?

[Benjamin Grimm]

Yeah, I'd rather have a 162-game season and Cano back on Opening Day 2022.



Cohen can eat his contract anyway. Cano is no longer the albatross he had been.