George Springer

[Frayed Knot]

Almora is a stellar defensive player and is still not yet 27 y/o ... but if one is going to play in the OF one has to hit at least a little bit

and Almora, following some early promise in Chi-Town, has steadily declined to the point where he's in danger of falling off a cliff.

[ashie62]

They got Lindor and Carrasco. I believe that's all she wrote.

[bmfc1]

Lindor, Carrasco, May, and McCann.

[nymr83]

=ashie62 post_id=53972 time=1610667031 user_id=90]
They got Lindor and Carrasco. I believe that's all she wrote.

[Frayed Knot]

MLB.com's J P Morosi suggests that Springer's decision could come this week (which I suppose means it also could come next week, or in August) with the Mets & Jays still considered

the favorites to land him with maybe the Jays thought to be the more aggressive of the two due to them so far missing out on all their other attempts as opposed to the Mets who have

previously landed McCann & Lindor.

[smg58]

Chili Davis has worked with Almora, so we already know if there is anything there that is not seen in the numbers. The same can be said for Jackie Bradley, who had an All-Star season under Davis' watch, but then had three mediocre seasons followed by a bounce-back last year.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Lots of internet chatter that this ungrateful prick Springer is going to Canada.

[Edgy MD]

Man, the post-Jared era is starting to suck.

[Centerfield]

If true, this is a big miss for the Mets.

[Centerfield]

Done deal. 6 years 150M. Shit day for the Mets.

[G-Fafif]

Invest in Lindforto.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Details?



Did Springer give the Mets a chance to top the Jays reported 6yr/$150M offer? Did the Mets signal that they wouldn't top the Jays offer, effectively bowing out of the pursuit of Springer? Did Springer accept an offer from the Mets that was lower than the Mets offer?



Will we ever know?



Was the plan to not get Realmuto or Springer?

[Centerfield]

6 years. 120-125M was the Mets rumored offer.

[batmagadanleadoff]

=Centerfield post_id=54419 time=1611117229 user_id=65]
6 years. 120-125M was the Mets rumored offer.

[metsmarathon]

damnit. no telling how much the porter fiasco might've just cost us. good on the jays for capitalizing, though.



but OK, so what's plan B?



do we move on jackie bradley junior to give us some centerfieldering ability? or do we turn instead to deepening the rotation, perhaps with a tanaka, or maybe a big reach on bauer?



defenisve shortcomings aside, there really are not much in the way of upgrades out there for our outfield at this point. not for nothing, but fangraphs puts as the 9th best CF right now with nimmo out there. (10th after they post springer) they also have us at 8th in left field, and that's with a somewhat pessimistic take on dom smith, at least compared to what a lot of people on here are thinking.



we're weakest at 3rd, according to fangraphs' projections, fwiw. what can we do there?

[A Boy Named Seo]

Yeah, I bet the Porter bullshit put the Mets in a bad spot, whether they were likely to get him or not. I do think if Springer was not gonna happen, I'd guess Bauer isn't either. I mean, they did add $34M in payroll last week with Lindor and Cookie.



Instead of all on Springer, the Mets can fill a couple of holes with really good parts, though. I'd still love to see a Brad Hand Job and maybe now Justin Turner on a semi-expensive one-year deal isn't so crazy (that dude ain't gonna get 4 years, is he?).

[batmagadanleadoff]

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=Centerfield post_id=54419 time=1611117229 user_id=65]
6 years. 120-125M was the Mets rumored offer.

[nymr83]

The Wilpon era ending doesnt mean we will get EVERY player the fanbase wants.



If the Mets added another mid-rotation starter or even #4 innings eater (odorizzi?), some outfield help or depth, and locked up Lindor OR Conforto before Spring Training for the longterm I would call the offseason a successful enough one. If on top of that they added Bauer or upgraded 3B in meaningful way plus Brad Hand, the offseason could still be a homerun

[batmagadanleadoff]

Scott Boras represents Conforto. So if past is prologue, the Mets won't be signing Conforto before ST because Boras wants his clients to test the FA market, especially those as good as Conforto. Doesn't mean that Cohen and all of his money can't change the equation. And Conforto, as the client, has the ultimate say.



TBD

[Centerfield]

=nymr83 post_id=54426 time=1611123209 user_id=54]
The Wilpon era ending doesnt mean we will get EVERY player the fanbase wants.



If the Mets added another mid-rotation starter or even #4 innings eater (odorizzi?), some outfield help or depth, and locked up Lindor OR Conforto before Spring Training for the longterm I would call the offseason a successful enough one. If on top of that they added Bauer or upgraded 3B in meaningful way plus Brad Hand, the offseason could still be a homerun

[Benjamin Grimm]

Yes. They had better lock up Conforto.

[bmfc1]

With the richest owner in the game, we were certain that the Mets would AT LEAST one of the big 4 FAs but Cohen signed none of them. Lindor got Cano's salary so that didn't cost them anything. They're much, much better (I'm not forgetting Carrasco) and they have the $ to keep Lindor and Conforto (and deGrom has an opt-out in '22) but FA-wise, I didn't expect them to only sign 2d/3d tier FAs (May, McCann, Stroman).

[RealityChuck]

Losing Springer isn't the end of the world. The Mets need to resign Lindor and Conforto -- and they automatically get a $20 million hit next year when Cano's suspension ends. Now they have the money to go after both.



Springer would be nice to have, but this isn't Rotisserie -- there are other options.

[metsmarathon]

i think that porter might've hurt only from the standpoint of springer maybe not wanting to go from one fiasco to what could have been the makings of another. i don't think it was the change in personnel, and yeah, sandy could surely get the job done if need be.

[batmagadanleadoff]

There's no shame in losing out to the Blue Jays in the Springer Sweepstakes. The Jays might even have more money than the Mets.

The Jays' ownership has long acted as if they're somehow a small-market team, but the truth is they play in Canada's largest city, in a market that is huge by MLB standards. The Greater Toronto Area (GTA) has 6.4 million people, which ranks sixth among MLB markets, and not only do the Jays not have to share their city with another team — three of the top five MLB markets have two teams each — they have a whole country of over 37 million people in their broadcast area, more than half of that in their exclusive zone. The team is owned by Rogers Communications, with assets of over $29 billion, which also owns their broadcast properties. This is a large-market team with the revenue potential to spend on any player. It's about time they flexed that muscle.

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[duan]

I don't know I'm not convinced that Springer for 6*25 is a great plan - I'd prefer to have Conforto locked up for that money if there's a choice to be made. There's also the clusterfuck that is not knowing about the DH and how that might have impacted their thoughts.



I'm up for getting a plan b (Bradely, Almora or Cain in a trade) if it makes sense - or else if there's another ball hawky type 4th OF that they can mix and match with Conforto/Smith/Nimmo/McNeil/Davis combos I'm down with that - it wouldn't be hard to get someone 66% of the innings in CF while still keeping everyone else fresh.

[A Boy Named Seo]

I'd just like to loudly reiterate that if Lindor were a FA, he would have been #1 on the list and I don't think it would've been particularly close. And #6 on MLBTR's list this year was Stroman, so Cookie woulda been too 10, too. Trade or FA, the Mets have acquired elite talent and still have room to improve.



I wanted Springer, but missing on a 6-year deal for a 31-year old CF didn't keep me awake last night. At all.



#LFGM and all that jazz.

[Fman99]

Agreed. This only makes it more likely that they can lock up Lindor and Conforto long term.

[Edgy MD]

I think I'm with duan and ABNS. I think.



I like Springer, but the upgrade over Nimmo isn't that great, and with Nimmo three years younger, it's not necessarily the place to lock in. Conforto and Lindor not only need to be tied down soon, but possibly Syndergaard and Stroman, too.



I think. The question is how good I can feel about another season or more going forward with Nimmo in center, Smith in left, and defensive replacement coming in to help lock down wins.



I confess I may be a little attached. I feel like I raised those guys.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

I was never tied to a specific guy other than the obvious need to improve RH hitting and up-the-middle defense, and to the extent we could have a reliable Cano-ish presence in the lineup.



Lindor in that sense was the perfect guy. A RH hitting CF who can go get it--whoever that is--will also help but doesn;t have to be George.