Edgy MD Site Manager Posted November 26, 2016 Posted November 26, 2016 So, how many have submitted ballots here. I'm one.The problem with these polls is we don't get a denominator.I guess we can just use the highest number as a denominator. Or put up polls in which the first selection is "Check this box if you are voting."Stinks.
Zvon Old-Timey Member Posted November 26, 2016 Posted November 26, 2016 seawolf17 wrote:Voted.Remember we have to post if we voted so we know a percentage of actual voters.Edgy MD wrote:So, how many have submitted ballots here. I'm one.The problem with these polls is we don't get a denominator.I guess we can just use the highest number as a denominator. Or put up polls in which the first selection is "Check this box if you are voting."Stinks.Who hasn't owned up?I'm three.
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted November 26, 2016 Posted November 26, 2016 If we go by 15 total ballots cast, the Crane Pool has elected three Hall-of-Famers:CandidateVotesPCTVladimir Guerrero15100%Jeff Bagwell1387%Tim Raines1387%Edgar Martinez1067%Ivan Rodriguez1067%Manny Ramirez853%Barry Bonds747%Trevor Hoffman747%Roger Clemens640%Jeff Kent533%Curt Schilling533%Larry Walker533%Mike Mussina320%Lee Smith320%Billy Wagner213%Fred McGriff17%Gary Sheffield17%Sammy Sosa17%Matt Stairs17%Casey Blake00%Pat Burrell00%Orlando Cabrera00%Mike Cameron00%J.D. Drew00%Carlos Guillen00%Derrek Lee00%Melvin Mora00%Magglio Ordonez00%Jorge Posada00%Edgar Renteria00%Arthur Rhodes00%Freddy Sanchez00%Jason Varitek00%Tim Wakefield00%
Guest Rockin' Doc Guests Posted November 27, 2016 Posted November 27, 2016 Jeff BagwellVladimir GuerreroTrevor HoffmanMike Mussina (my borderline case)Tim RainesIvan Ridriguez
Fman99 Old-Timey Member Posted November 27, 2016 Posted November 27, 2016 I voted for eight guys who, interestingly, happen to be the eight guys leading the vote tally here.BagwellBondsVladEdgar MartinezRainesMannyPudgeLarry WalkerI excluded some guys because they seem to be assholes. This may be part of the reason why I don't get a real life vote.
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted November 27, 2016 Posted November 27, 2016 I'm a big backer of Schilling, asshole though he may be.
Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Guests Posted November 27, 2016 Posted November 27, 2016 Edgy MD wrote:I'm a big backer of Schilling, asshole though he may be.Same.BagwellBondsClemensVladdyKentEdgar MMannyPudgeRainesSchilling
Guest d'Kong76 Guests Posted November 27, 2016 Posted November 27, 2016 Voting late, putting some cheaters in to be done with it...BagwellBondsClemensGuerreroHoffmanKentMartinezRainesSmith SosaSchilling can take lessons in fine dining from Ripken before he getsmy vote.
seawolf17 Old-Timey Member Posted November 27, 2016 Posted November 27, 2016 I would rather vote for Clemens than Schilling.
Gwreck Old-Timey Member Posted November 27, 2016 Posted November 27, 2016 Chad Ochoseis wrote:So I'm fine with keeping a borderline HOFer like Mark McGwire out.In a world without steroids, McGwire is only a "borderline" hall-of famer? I have a tough time with that. He's #13 all-time in adjusted OPS.
Gwreck Old-Timey Member Posted November 27, 2016 Posted November 27, 2016 seawolf17 wrote:I would rather vote for Clemens than Schilling.I agree, and there's no doubt that Clemens is more "deserving" anyway. I would vote for them both.
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted November 27, 2016 Posted November 27, 2016 It's still looking like a three-man class.Raines and Guerrero (the latter a little less likely) would join Gary Carter as players with Expo insigniae on their Hall of Fame plaques. And I imagine they would be the last, unless Bartolo Colón gets in and the Expos pull a big upset with the committee.I frankly don't know what hat they'd outfit Colón with—hopefully a flying batting helmet. But Larry Walker would almost certainly be wearing a [fimg=12:3hoartlc]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/44/e1/35/44e135ad09f75fcfaa008ab28ac31f2c.jpg[/fimg:3hoartlc].
Vic Sage Old-Timey Member Posted November 28, 2016 Posted November 28, 2016 I'm voting for 10, all of whom put up numbers over the average HOFers at their positions, without consideration of accused steroid use:1. Barry Bonds2. Roger Clemens___________3. Jeff Bagwell----------4. Edgar Martinez5. Manny Ramirez6. Curt Schilling7. Mike Mussina8. Ivan Rodriguez9. Tim Raines10. Vladimir Guerrero---------10a. Larry Walker [ranked a drop below Guerrero, only because of injuries and Coors factor. I would vote for him next year, if slot were available]
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted November 28, 2016 Posted November 28, 2016 That ballot appears to leave Pudge just one vote out of the money.I salute anybody who has a career like his. Continued consistent quality excepting one brief stop in the Bronx where he gave his worst performance of his career.The José Cruz Award. These men are fine Americans, even when they aren't Americans.
Benjamin Grimm Old-Timey Member Posted November 28, 2016 Posted November 28, 2016 I had completely forgotten that Tim Raines was ever a Yankee. Even having been reminded of it, I still don't remember it at all.
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted November 28, 2016 Posted November 28, 2016 His tenth year on the ballot. It's borderline scandalous.
Guest 86-Dreamer Guests Posted November 28, 2016 Posted November 28, 2016 I voted:BondsClemensBagwellRodriguezRainesMussinaSchillingKentWalkerVladimir
Guest sharpie Guests Posted November 28, 2016 Posted November 28, 2016 Bagwell, Bonds, Clemens, Guerrero, Mussina, Raines, Ramirez, Rodriguez, Sosa, Walker
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted November 28, 2016 Posted November 28, 2016 All Rodriguez needs is one voter to change his or her vote (or the next three ballots to include him).
Chad ochoseis Old-Timey Member Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 He had more good years than I realized. His offensive production fell off the table after age 32, but that's not bad for a catcher. And I try not to penalize players who "stay too long" and hurt their average stats by becoming useful late-career part time players instead of retiring. As long as they're not stinking it up every day in a starting role (looking at you, Derek Jeter) and still making contributions above the replacement level, there's no reason not to stay around.
Vic Sage Old-Timey Member Posted November 30, 2016 Posted November 30, 2016 here's a general question:If you voted in this poll, which of your candidates received the fewest votes from your fellow Poolers? Now make an argument for that player.I'll go first.Mike Mussina - my initial impulse on Moose was "NOPE", but though i hate to admit it, he was one of the best and most consistent pitchers in the AL for almost 2 decades, ranking in the top 10 in baseball for 11 years by a wide range of metrics (including WAR, ERA+, WPA), and top 5 for at least 5 seasons, not to mention 7 gold gloves. His numbers compare favorably with many current HOFers (whether using JAWS, HOF monitor, or black ink test). No, his peak wasn't as dominant as some, but he's easily in the range of pitchers like Glavine, Marichal, Drysdale, Sutton, and Schilling (who also deserves to be in). If elected, he would be an above-avg HOFer, not dragging down the bar. Yes, he's more about sustained excellence than brief greatness, but there is a wing of the HOF for that type of player, too. your turn.
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted November 30, 2016 Posted November 30, 2016 I voted for Billy Wagner.Wait, this isn't the Alpaca Hall of Fame?
MFS62 Old-Timey Member Posted November 30, 2016 Posted November 30, 2016 I also voted for Wagner, so I'll go for my second least voted choice: Lee Smith. He was the all-time saves leader during the era in which he pitched. And he wasn't just a pampered "closer". In those days, some saves were earned by pitching multiple innings. Later
Guest Rockin' Doc Guests Posted December 1, 2016 Posted December 1, 2016 Like Vic, I also voted for Mike Mussina. So much of this will will be a less eloquent rehash of Vic's reason's for supporting Mussina. Mussina was consistently one of the better and more reliable pitchers in the American League during his 18 seasons. His peripherals statistics (ERA, ERA+, WHIP, & SO/W) were among the best in the AL during his career. He fielded his position well (7 Gold Gloves), but most importantly, he won far more games than he lost (270-153 63.8%) during his career.
Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Guests Posted December 1, 2016 Posted December 1, 2016 Schilling and Kent.What's the matter with you lib'ral lezzies?
duan Old-Timey Member Posted December 1, 2016 Posted December 1, 2016 Billy Wagner. I think he's a considerable tier above the likes of Lee Smith and to my mind was there or there abouts the best reliever in the game for an extended period. Everything about his performance was elite and while I actually didn't really like him playing for the Mets I'm choosing not to hold that against him. He was better then Hoffman, and as I voted for Hoffman too, I felt I had to vote for Wagner.
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted December 1, 2016 Posted December 1, 2016 That's pretty much where I was, I guess.I suppose I don't have to feel good about it.Hey, look, Edgar Martinez is up to 68%.
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