IGT 10/05 - SF Giants @ NY Mets - Win or hit the links...

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

I just became a Cubs fan for the rest of 2016.

[Piggiestomatoes]

Rockin' Doc wrote: I just became a Cubs fan for the rest of 2016.

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[bmfc1]

Hell of a season. In April, we wouldn't have "taken" losing the Wild Card but at 60-62, this seemed like a fantasy. What a great last month and a half. And we got another taste, even if it was too small a taste, of post-season baseball.

[MFS62]

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: People I would rather have seen hitting instead of Campbell: Duda, Conforto, d'Arnoud, Gsellman.....

... and the guy flipping burgers at the Shake Shack.

Wait 'till Next year.

On to the next exciting part of the year - trading and free agent signings.

Later

Edited October 6, 2016 by Guest

[Lefty Specialist]

Rockin' Doc wrote: I just became a Cubs fan for the rest of 2016.

Ditto. Fuck the Giants and the Ichiro they rode in on.

[Frayed Knot]

Shit, the last NYM close-out game at home was the Bobby Jones one-hitter 16 years ago.
Either we win a post-season round on the road or we don't seem to win it at all.

[Fman99]

Yep, go Cubs. Agreed.

[Centerfield]

Fuck man.

It hurts that we had Familia out there and they beat him. I hope this doesn't become some postseason thing for him.

Pissed as all hell right now. Later on I will feel better. But not for a while.

Bring back Ces.

[Frayed Knot]

Familia had given up [u:209imprk]ONE[/u:209imprk] HR all season -- Will Myers of SD to tie a game w/2 outs in the 9th at CitiField back in August - Mets later won in extras
Conor Gillaspie had hit six in just under 200 ABs.

[batmagadanleadoff]

metirish wrote: Well fuck , Bumgarner was aces , Familia again though

Armando Benitez woulda gotten practically lynched if he ever blew two World Series saves and gave up post-season game crushing home runs like the ones Familia gave up to Alex Gordon and Conor Gillapsie.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Familia has left, like, 5 pitches up in a driveable position over the last two years. Two of them have come in pivotal postseason appearances.

Dumb f%cking luck, is all it is. Really, really dumb.

[Zvon]

I'm gonna have to read the thread. There must have been some hot posts (not sexy hot--those strikes that weren't strikes! They torture me by leaving that fuckin box up there all the time, lol). What a game.
Ended up having company so I couldn't go full court press online. Made a handful of cards. And I'll have to make a card or two reflecting how we lost. No rush there. When Granderson made this catch I thought there was no way we would lose. Like with Endy.

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Bumgarner. What else can ya say? Yea, Cubs FTW.

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Well fuck , Bumgarner was aces , Familia again though Armando Benitez woulda gotten practically lynched if he ever blew two World Series saves and gave up post-season game crushing home runs like the ones Familia gave up to Alex Gordon and Conor Gillapsie.

I did voice a concern right after the game about the Familia & The Benitez Syndrome. I don't want this to start looking like a snowball that's going in that direction. Some media will try and push it that way. I hope it doesn't get to Familia over time.

But come-on, Fammy has done more great stuff in the post than bad, and up until tonight he gave up only one homer this ENTIRE season. OVER 50 SAVES! I think he will shake this off, save fiddy in 17, and successfully close the World Series.

Oh, and real quick--it might have been a game plan to jump on Bummy early in the count but they needed to take more pitches during the first 3/4 innings. Not doing that played right into Madison's hands.

What a game, What a season.
Satisfied, but disappointed. No more Mets baseball


OE: crap! 16 pages?! I better go get a snack.

[Gwreck]

I thought I was over 2015 and then this game happened.

People in the crowd actually booed Familia. They didn't do that to Heilman on 10/19/06. I hope those people never come to another Mets game, ever.

Noah is amazing and we are so lucky to have him.

[Zvon]

Centerfield wrote: Fuck. That was headed for CF.

Nymr83 wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: Jeez. For a split second I thought we had the lead. yeah that was right up the middle scoring Kelly for about a millisecond in my mind

HahnSolo wrote: Don't think that was hit hard enough to get through the infield but would have liked to have tested that theory

I looked this play from the behind the plate view a bunch of times now and it did look like the 2nd baseman would have been able to get to it. Far from 100% sure tho. The ball could have had some weird spin, crazy bounce...it almost looked like a humpback liner, but it never got high or low enough, nor all that humpy or far. And that's the thing. With all that Asspuddin did he even did that. Possibly robbed us of a run with his glove. That just floored me when it happened.

[Guest cooby]

Kept checking IGT til I finally fell asleep at still 0-0.

Nuts

[seawolf17]

Good IGT, kids.

We'll get 'em next year.

[ashie62]

Fell asleep. Nutz.

Thor was incredible plus. Cespedes, do not swing at high fastballs!!!

RISP bites again.

Have a happy healthy off season to all!

[Edgy MD]

Syndergaard was yanked too early.

Always stretch your successful pitchers in these games. Starters or relievers. Always. The next guy may. Not. Have it.

Winter or Winters or whoever behind home plate was confounding on not giving the knee-high strike.

The field level seats circling around all the way to the foul line behind the bases in left and right is a hateful design flaw that no stadium — and certainly not any stadium the Mets call home, should have. A man who knocks a ball down the line past the thirdbaseman is entitled to a standup double. Full stop. I intend to correct this injustice with strategically placed explosives during the offseason.

Campbell was wishful thinking, wasn't it? Loney too, perhaps.

The Reyes bouncer to second that advanced the runner? Young Reyes beats that out.

Loney's indifferent wave at that infield hit has sealed his fate for me.

[Benjamin Grimm]

And even if Noah has to come out after seven, I think Reed should have stayed in and pitched the ninth inning. Rene Rivera had made the last out. Reed could have gone into his spot in the batting order and Travis could have gone into the ninth slot.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Rockin' Doc wrote: Should have saved Familia for the save. He just seems to be a different pitcher when it isn't a save situation.

I don't agree with that philosophy, but anyway, it only applies on the road. There was never going to be a save situation for Familia in this game because by the ninth inning we knew that if the Mets ever took the lead the game would have been immediately over.

[Edgy MD]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: And even if Noah has to come out after seven, I think Reed should have stayed in and pitched the ninth inning.

Right. Always get the max you can out of a succeeding pitcher. He'll sleep when he's dead.

[Frayed Knot]

I didn't have a problem taking Syndergaard out when he did. The concept of always stretching your pitchers works until it doesn't as with Harvey last year.
And it's not that I think Syndergaard's arm is going to fall off if he goes over 110 pitches (he was at 108) but at some point effectiveness can be expected to fall off and his final two innings were anything but smooth, involving 37 pitches, 2 hits, a walk, an SB, and that drive to CF that sent Granderson into the wall.

Edgy MD wrote: Loney's indifferent wave at that infield hit has sealed his fate for me.

I don't think he was anywhere near that ball. More a case of him straying too far than not far enough IMO.
If anything I'd have preferred him to stay put and allow that to become a 4-3 putout rather than the more difficult, time-consuming, and ultimately unsuccessful, 4-to-1 attempt.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

It's really the same thing I said about the O's-Jays game: I think it's hard to manage a team that wins with home runs when it doesn't provide home runs, because the whole plan is off-script. I know the great teams can and do adjust for that but the 2016 Mets in the final analysis weren't a comprehensively great team.

Cespedes really sucked the big one this last week. I feel like I've watched him enough by now to recognize when he *looks like* he might a ball out of sight, like he did a few times to win games during our run. I feel like there's a body language to him that suggests it could happen. I was more than willing to be surprised, but that look never materialized last night.

oe: I'm not at all saying he sucked, just that he ended the year in a bad slump.

[Frayed Knot]

His whole September + October wasn't particularly good.

oe: .214 w/4 HRs

[Edgy MD]

Frayed Knot wrote: I didn't have a problem taking Syndergaard out when he did. The concept of always stretching your pitchers works until it doesn't as with Harvey last year.

Pull Harvey after the walk. There's a medium between pulling him with no indication of failure and riding him despite an indication of failure. That medium is where wisdom lies.

[Edgy MD]

Frayed Knot wrote: I didn't have a problem taking Syndergaard out when he did. The concept of always stretching your pitchers works until it doesn't as with Harvey last year. And it's not that I think Syndergaard's arm is going to fall off if he goes over 110 pitches (he was at 108) but at some point effectiveness can be expected to fall off and his final two innings were anything but smooth, involving 37 pitches, 2 hits, a walk, an SB, and that drive to CF that sent Granderson into the wall. Edgy MD wrote: Loney's indifferent wave at that infield hit has sealed his fate for me. I don't think he was anywhere near that ball. More a case of him straying too far than not far enough IMO. If anything I'd have preferred him to stay put and allow that to become a 4-3 putout rather than the more difficult, time-consuming, and ultimately unsuccessful, 4-to-1 attempt.

He was in position to stretch out and grab it but instead pulled up and folded his arm, perhaps fearful that he was more likely to deflect it than field it. But was softly hit and eminently catchable.



That's not a man stretching for a play.

[seawolf17]

I was okay with taking Thor out when they did. He could have gone a second inning from Reed, I suppose, but then if Reed coughs it up in the ninth it's Britton II -- except there's no save situation to save Familia for, so you might as well use your big guns while you can.

Familia just wasn't himself out there; he was missing all over the place. I think it was Fman who said it a few pages back -- it was Aiming Familia, not Throwing Familia. Regardless, he was the right guy to have out there in that spot.

[Frayed Knot]

Edgy MD wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: I didn't have a problem taking Syndergaard out when he did. The concept of always stretching your pitchers works until it doesn't as with Harvey last year. Pull Harvey after the walk. There's a medium between pulling him with no indication of failure and riding him despite an indication of failure. That medium is where wisdom lies.

And maybe that medium for Thor was the two lengthy innings and allowing three of his final seven batters to reach. And while you can argue that one of them was that infield grounder, one of the outs came on the drive to the 408 mark.




On the Loney play, he was closer to it than I remember but I guess my point here is that if the 2nd baseman can field you should let him so perhaps Loney's bigger crime here was not recognizing that he didn't need to go roaming for the ball in the first place.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Edgy MD wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: I didn't have a problem taking Syndergaard out when he did. The concept of always stretching your pitchers works until it doesn't as with Harvey last year. Pull Harvey after the walk. There's a medium between pulling him with no indication of failure and riding him despite an indication of failure. That medium is where wisdom lies.

This.

Terry is no master of this medium.

[HahnSolo]

seawolf17 wrote: I was okay with taking Thor out when they did. He could have gone a second inning from Reed, I suppose, but then if Reed coughs it up in the ninth it's Britton II -- except there's no save situation to save Familia for, so you might as well use your big guns while you can. Familia just wasn't himself out there; he was missing all over the place. I think it was Fman who said it a few pages back -- it was Aiming Familia, not Throwing Familia. Regardless, he was the right guy to have out there in that spot.

I just think at the time Reed came in you make the double switch, so you have the option to go another inning with Reed if you want to. By then, Terry has to know that Bumgarner is good to go 9 or 10 innings and he has to extend the game as long as possible. He tried to play it by the regular season book (Reed 8th, Jeurys 9th) but he needed to be willing and able to let both go multiple innings. Might not have worked out since Jeurys was not sharp, but the double switch has to be the move there.