Wright hosed

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

Feeling guilty that I voted only 25 times.

[Edgy MD]

I voted zero.

[Guest Swan Swan H]

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Feelimg guilty that I voted only 25 times.

You would have needed a lot of help.

June 25: Wright -2,687,818, Sandoval -2,223,269

June 30: Sandoval - 5,743,542, Wright - 4,133,380

Sandoval outpolled Wright 3.5 million to 1.5 million over the last week or so.

[TransMonk]

We shouldn't have to vote for these things. The system is flawed and ultimately stupid.

Wright is clearly and unquestionably the better player so far this season.

The fact that "this game counts" is almost sickening.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Fuck bud deluge in the face. Selig , whatever. Stupid autocorrecring phone. Grrr. Dumb and stupid. You know those tech guys in frisco rigged this shit. I hope sandoval gets hit by a car.

[batmagadanleadoff]

What an abuse. Wright is no less than the second best player in the league this season and Sandoval doesn't even have enough PA's to qualify for the batting title.

[bmfc1]

My dislike for SF fans after my trip there in '10 decreased until today. I hope that Wright takes it out on them in the upcoming series.

Did SF have more home games during the voting period than the Mets?

Johan didn't even make the ballot for the fan spot.

[nymr83]

Buster Posey I heard set some kind of votes-record, Melky Cabrera got in and Brandon "I played only half the time" Belt was 2nd to Votto at 1B... Either the san fran voters went NUTS or there was some cheatin going on.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

On the bright side, Jeter is starting for the AL. National League batters ought to start aiming for anything two feet to the left and right of Jeter and walk to first base.

I predict Wright will be named the NL DH so he's a starter, or Sandoval will play the required three innings then be replaced by Wright. Or, he'll come up with a phantom injury.

The rest of the NL lineup is not particularly fear-inducing.

[G-Fafif]

Wonder how many e-mail accounts Kranepool used to vote for Sandoval 25 times each.

[MFS62]

Panda made up a 400,000 Wright lead in one day, then blew right past him.
Looks to me like some of the Palo Alto/ Silicone Valley technicians did some heavily computerized voting.
I recall one year when the Reds fans stuffed the ballot box for what was going to be 7 or 8 Reds to start the ASG. The then-Commish(?) realized that shenanigans had gone on, and replaced the Reds player (George Crowe?) with Stan Musial.
I hope Selig has a similar WTF moment, grows a pair, and has Wright start.

Later

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

Bud would never do that -- publicly. Now, he might say to Panda "I see your hamstring looks tight...."

[Lefty Specialist]

It's stupid that MLB essentially encourages the fans to stuff the ballot box. Vote once from an IP address per day. It's not like they don't have the technology.

[Zvon]

This is a bunch of bullshit. I didn't vote the full 25 times because I thought there was no real competition this season, as far as third base goes. Figured this year for sure he was a shoe-in. What a crock!

[Edgy MD]

Bah. Vote once per ticket purchased.

I don't got the time to commit that much fraud. And if I did, what's the point? The biggest losers would always have more time and energy and dubious moral justification to pour themselves into the proliferating culture of ballot abuse.

The problem, and it's pretty much always been thus, is the ballot stuffing leads to mo' $$ for MLB. Every paper ballot has advertising, every electronic ballot has click-through ads. So they want as many folks as possible to see the ads as often as possible to make the sponsor happy.

I've gotta wash my hands of that.

[DocTee]

Brandon "I played only half the time" Belt was 2nd to Votto at 1B... Either the san fran voters went NUTS or there was some cheatin going on.

Freddy Sanchez hasn't played in 13 months and got 2.3 million votes (good for fourth at that position).

Shortstop Brandon Crawford is hitting .232 and came just 300,000 votes of upending Rafael Furcal for the start

[ashie62]

Total bullshit. They will not change internet voting as there are too many advertising tie ins.

Also...Mets 10th in NL attendance.

[stevejrogers]

Zvon wrote: This is a bunch of bullshit. I didn't vote the full 25 times because I thought there was no real competition this season, as far as third base goes. Figured this year for sure he was a shoe-in. What a crock!

The Mets have been hosed by internet, and international voting in the past. I forget off hand which year it was, but Edgardo Alfonzo seemed to have a comfortable lead heading into the final days, and ultimately lost to Jeff Kent.

I'd like to say Anti-New York biases have something to do with it as well, but that doesn't explain Cano and Jeter in the AL.

[Frayed Knot]

It used to be when ASG promos were read on the air or in print that some clubs (mostly smaller market ones it seems) would slyly imply that, while filling out your ballots, any [nudge nudge wink wink] votes for the marginally deserving ones wearing the home colors would be OK from their viewpoint. But in the last handful of years ALL teams have gone from maybe tip-toe-ing over that line to using one of Evel Knevel's old motorcycle stunts to jump over it to the point where blatantly instructing fans to stuff the box for their own players as often as possible whether deserving or not is simply standard practice. Tough for MLB to allow that sort of stuff to go unabated and then complain when the inevitable result happens.

This particular result suxx for Wright (assuming he cares and the fact that he's going anyway means he probably does) but I don't expect any undeserving or marginally deserving winners to apologize and withdraw and I certainly don't expect the folks who came up with the system to point out its inherent flaws.

[metirish]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Fuck bud deluge in the face. Selig , whatever. Stupid autocorrecring phone. Grrr. Dumb and stupid. You know those tech guys in frisco rigged this shit. I hope sandoval gets hit by a car.

lol...classic

[stevejrogers]

Frayed Knot wrote: It used to be when ASG promos were read on the air or in print that some clubs (mostly smaller market ones it seems) would slyly imply that, while filling out your ballots, any [nudge nudge wink wink] votes for the marginally deserving ones wearing the home colors would be OK from their viewpoint. But in the last handful of years ALL teams have gone from maybe tip-toe-ing over that line to using one of Evel Knevel's old motorcycle stunts to jump over it to the point where blatantly instructing fans to stuff the box for their own players as often as possible whether deserving or not is simply standard practice. Tough for MLB to allow that sort of stuff to go unabated and then complain when the inevitable result happens. This particular result suxx for Wright (assuming he cares and the fact that he's going anyway means he probably does) but I don't expect any undeserving or marginally deserving winners to apologize and withdraw and I certainly don't expect the folks who came up with the system to point out its inherent flaws.

The things that bother me is the knee jerk reactions to the negative reactions:

"Why didn't you vote" Which seems silly in the first place. I understand the logic come the first Tuesday in November, but one paper vote or 25 online votes versus the multitude of votes for less deserving home town players, or votes to ensure a certain team is not represented is not the same as voting for elected officials or referendums and the like. Instead it is the idea of "okay, you are bashing the moral ambiguity of the process, so why don't you roll in the same mud?"

and

"Who cares, he'll make the team anyway" Yes, thanks to every year seemingly an entire All-Star Squad of players are either on the DL outright, or "healthy scratches" the idea that if you aren't named to an all star squad you are doing something wrong is very prevalent, but that isn't an excuse for a shoddy system, especially with MLB's two-faced "this time it counts" marketing campaign. Hell, the idea that there are so many roster substitutions these days tell you how dubious the whole ASG thing is and how crazy MLB's "this time it counts" bit is silly. Plus the whole idea, as a fan, of not wanting to backdoor into things, or hoping that a player backs out so you can get in. Especially considering the idea of every team needs a rep. You don't want to be completely shut out because the Pirates need a rep or whatever.

[Ceetar]

on second thought, apathy probably isn't the answer.

Next year I'm pushing a 'vote for XXX" where XXX is the stupidest player (chase Utley this year perhaps) on the ballot, while campaigning for a purely statistical selection process.

[Frayed Knot]

MFS62 wrote: I recall one year when the Reds fans stuffed the ballot box for what was going to be 7 or 8 Reds to start the ASG. The then-Commish(?) realized that shenanigans had gone on, and replaced the Reds player (George Crowe?) with Stan Musial.

3 or 4 Cincy-voted starters were replaced with other NL stars that year (might have been 1957).
That result also signaled the end to fan voting for a long stretch.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

I'm no moralist. I'm just saying... I would prefer that the NL was represented at third by somebody with a BMI under 40 who wasn't being investigated for sexual assault.

[ashie62]

I blame American Idol and the folks at vote for the worst for this.

[Edgy MD]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: I'm no moralist. I'm just saying... I would prefer that the NL was represented at third by somebody with a BMI under 40 who wasn't being investigated for sexual assault.

But you know, it'd be nice if Johan made it.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Well, he's been cleared. So, y'know, it's entirely different.

[Fman99]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: I'm no moralist. I'm just saying... I would prefer that the NL was represented at third by somebody with a BMI under 40 who wasn't being investigated for sexual assault.

Oh, you said this on Facebook, you dual posting fucking hack!

Seriously, without offense to the Kung Fu Panda or any other animated martial arts mammals and/or reptiles, I hope the people who voted for Sandoval all die in a grease fire.

Online voting is ridiculous. Bud Selig is a frog faced fish fucking retard.

[bmfc1]

I don't know what the Giants did, but I know that the Nationals gave prizes to those that voted numerous times. The Mets rewards were minimal (a discount at the store, a discount on a handful of games). If the game "counts", then bribery shouldn't be encouraged.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Fman99 wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: I'm no moralist. I'm just saying... I would prefer that the NL was represented at third by somebody with a BMI under 40 who wasn't being investigated for sexual assault. Oh, you said this on Facebook, you dual posting fucking hack!

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