Reyes vs. Braun & Other Average Troublemakers

[Edgy MD]

I stop rooting for my team the moment honor gets up and walks out the door.

And I haven't --- ahem! --- fellated anybody. Why? What have you heard?

[metsmarathon]

pulling reyes to help him get the title i don't mind so much. its nice for reyes to get, and its nice for mets fans as a whole to have their guy, who we all want back, to get the thing.

it just sucks hard for all those people who went out to the game, many of whom may have missed the one sole appearance. and it sucks for the folks at home who have to suffer through fat mike without even the hope of another jose josejosejose jose jose at bat.

personally, i don't want braun to win it. i want reyes to get the title. and if not him, i want matt kemp to go 8 for 8 or whatever he has to do, and hit a few homers along the way, to get a triple crown. if my guy ain't winning hte batting title, i want him to lose to a guy who just won the fucking triple crown. i also want to see another MVP award go to a guy on a losing team, to further whittle down that silly little notion, and kemp getting the triple would help that mightily, i would think.

[RealityChuck]

Maybe they should put an asterisk beside the number if Jose wins.

This was gutless and a disappointment for the fans. Now his record will be tainted (unless Braun goes 0 for 4, so it wouldn't have mattered, but even then, this was the classless thing to do).

Maybe MLB should pull a Taffy Wright again (Wright won the batting championship in 1938 according to the rules of the time, but Jimmie Foxx was named the winner anyway, since Foxx had twice the ABs).

[seawolf17]

Ah, get out of here, tainted. Did he reach the AB minimum? Then we're good. He's not the first guy to be pulled before the end of the season to "preserve" a statistical milestone or achievement, nor will he be the last.

I'm not saying it wasn't a disappointment -- but that, for me, entirely stems from it being potentially his last game with the franchise, not because of a batting title.

[Edgy MD]

Just the first Met, and that's where the issue gains a new complexion for me.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

MFYs did the same thing with Bernie Williams a few years back. It was weak and stupid then, but so was the whole notion of winning a "batting title."

[Frayed Knot]

It's not tainted, just the way it was handled makes the ending less satisfying that it should have been (if it in fact comes to be).
It's also not 1958 anymore when BA was the holy grail of offensive baseball so I barely pay attention to who the "batting champion" is these days (couldn't tell you who won any of the last five in either league) which is why I'd rather my guy lose it on the field than win it on the bench.

[TransMonk]

Per Metsblog, Terry said Jose asked before the game to be taken out if he got a hit, and so Collins met that request, because �he deserves that respect. However, Collins says he felt terrible about the move, knowing fans paid good money to see him play.

�I respect the game enough to know people came here to see Jose Reyes,� Collins explained. According to Collins, he felt he earned the respect of his players this summer, and to not repay that respect by ignoring Jose�s request could jeopardize �what was built.

[seawolf17]

That's kinda horseshit reasoning, no? You're in charge, Terry.

[Edgy MD]

If you don't like it, don't do it, but going ahead and doing it and then throwing Reyes under the bus? What happened to the playing the game right?

I'm virtually sure Reyes will deny this, and it will impact negotiations.

[metirish]

Reyes asking out somehow makes this stink even more , very disappointing.

[TransMonk]

Him asking out and then bunting for a single seems very douchey.

This is the type of attitude that leads me to believe he can be bought by the highest bidder this winter.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Here's a season that ends with a crisp shutout and a (potential) batting title by a longtime favorite player, and the Mets find a way to give it a sour taste.

Nice going!

This is the kind of thing that makes me say to myself, "I'm 48 years old. Why do I care about this shit?"

[seawolf17]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Here's a season that ends with a crisp shutout and a (potential) batting title by a longtime favorite player, and the Mets find a way to give it a sour taste. Nice going! This is the kind of thing that makes me say to myself, "I'm 48 years old. Why do I care about this shit?"

Not much easier at 35, believe me.

[batmagadanleadoff]

TransMonk wrote: Per Metsblog, Terry said Jose asked before the game to be taken out if he got a hit, and so Collins met that request, because �he deserves that respect. However, Collins says he felt terrible about the move, knowing fans paid good money to see him play. �I respect the game enough to know people came here to see Jose Reyes,� Collins explained. According to Collins, he felt he earned the respect of his players this summer, and to not repay that respect by ignoring Jose�s request could jeopardize �what was built.

What would Derek Jeter have done?

[bmfc1]

Jose Reyes is trending nationwide on Twitter and most are very anti-Jose, including nasty ones from Jim Rome and Greg Zaun. I guess when Braun sat out on Monday when he had the lead, it was OK.

[Edgy MD]

When you offend Ryan Braun, you offend Greg Zaun, as well as Mo Vaughn, Wallace Shawn, and P.M. Dawn.

[TransMonk]

BOC!!

[MFS62]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: TransMonk wrote: Per Metsblog, Terry said Jose asked before the game to be taken out if he got a hit, and so Collins met that request, because �he deserves that respect. However, Collins says he felt terrible about the move, knowing fans paid good money to see him play. What would Derek Jeter have done?

Michael Kay was dumping on Jose.
He said he could be ok if the Yanks sat Jeter so he could finish at .300, but what Jose did was not ok.
Kay's just jealous that Reyes is better than Jeter.
Fuck him.
Later

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

bmfc1 wrote: Jose Reyes is trending nationwide on Twitter and most are very anti-Jose, including nasty ones from Jim Rome and Greg Zaun. I guess when Braun sat out on Monday when he had the lead, it was OK.

A lot of "classless," "disgrace," "piece of sh^t," and the like. Which strikes me as, y'know, a little bit harsh.

[bmfc1]

CJ Wilson--STFU:

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/16808/jose-reyes-leaves-game-to-protect-title

[Vic Sage]

Terry said Jose asked before the game to be taken out if he got a hit, and so Collins met that request, because �he deserves that respect. However, Collins says he felt terrible about the move, knowing fans paid good money to see him play.

great, Yogi. throw Reyes under the bus just as the season ends and contract negotiations are going to start. You couldn't have taken the bullet on this, ya ****bunter? Or better yet, just shut up?

[metirish]

bmfc1 wrote: CJ Wilson--STFU: http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/16808/jose-reyes-leaves-game-to-protect-title

from the article, I vaguely remember this

2003 AL: Bill Mueller. Entering the last day, Mueller was at .327, Derek Jeter was at .326, and Mueller's Boston teammate Manny Ramirez was at .325. Mueller and Ramirez didn't start for Boston. Jeter went 0-for-3 for the Yankees to drop to .324. Mueller pinch-hit in the eighth inning -- but only after Jeter was already 0-for-3. Mueller finished at .326 to win the title

[ashie62]

TransMonk wrote: Him asking out and then bunting for a single seems very douchey. This is the type of attitude that leads me to believe he can be bought by the highest bidder this winter.

This 100%...First inning?

[Theoldmole]

Does Terry feel terrible about every other regular he's given the day off to during September so he can look at the callups? Why has this non-issue become an issue?

[Willets Point]

TheOldMole wrote: Does Terry feel terrible about every other regular he's given the day off to during September so he can look at the callups? Why has this non-issue become an issue?

Seriously, people just need something to be angry about.

[A Boy Named Seo]

metirish wrote: CJ Wilson--STFU: http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/16808/jose-reyes-leaves-game-to-protect-title from the article, I vaguely remember this 2003 AL: Bill Mueller. Entering the last day, Mueller was at .327, Derek Jeter was at .326, and Mueller's Boston teammate Manny Ramirez was at .325. Mueller and Ramirez didn't start for Boston. Jeter went 0-for-3 for the Yankees to drop to .324. Mueller pinch-hit in the eighth inning -- but only after Jeter was already 0-for-3. Mueller finished at .326 to win the title

That article reminded me how forgettable and completely unimportant winning a battle title is.

[metirish]

Ha, so true Seo, Braun grounded out in his first AB.

[metsmarathon]

i'd like to see the list of hitters who, when locked in such a tight race, and leading, [u:25vq8da8]did [/u:25vq8da8]take the field on the final day.

[Frayed Knot]

metsmarathon wrote: i'd like to see the list of hitters who, when locked in such a tight race, and leading, did take the field on the final day.

A number of hitters have done the same over the years. We (me anyway) might not like this but it's hardly the first time.

Jose Reyes is trending nationwide on Twitter and most are very anti-Jose, including nasty ones from Jim Rome and Greg Zaun.

Fuck Jim Rome, and every other ESPN-ite who only pays attention to baseball when they find something to knock about it.
And if he hates this then I'm suddenly changing my mind.