Boor or cheer Chipper and Mariano?

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/post/_/id/6342/would-chippermariano-get-standing-os

Mark Simon of ESPN asked a group that included a number of Crane Poolers whether they'd cheer or boo Chipper and Mariano if they knew it was their final appearance against the Mets.

[TransMonk]

Nice job guys.

I'd stand for Chipper and show aggressive indifference to Mariano.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Applauding Chipper is classy.

Applauding Mariano is pathetic.

[Ceetar]

depends on the game situation. if Cox pinch hits Chipper in the top of the 9th of a game the Mets are winning 6-1? sure. Even if it's just his last AB and he started, if the Mets are winning, i've got no problem. I like Chipper, in that "respect your enemy" type of way.

Mariano? Nah. I guess there's a chance if he was brought in the game specifically for the purpose (and the idea of him being brought in to get cheers from Mets fans is too despicable for me to actually cheer him in that situation) if the Mets were winning. But if he was brought in to the game in normal, save-situation fashion? I wouldn't cheer anyone, Mariano, Babe Ruth, my mother, in that situation.

[Guest Edgy DC]

The problem is that any appearance by Rivera would likely be in a game-critical situation and your chips have to be on the right side of the table at such moments.

What's with Linda Cohn absolving these guys from steroid suspicion? Has nobody learned their lesson?

[Ceetar]

Edgy DC wrote: The problem is that any appearance by Rivera would likely be in a game-critical situation and your chips have to be on the right side of the table at such moments. What's with Linda Cohn absolving these guys from steroid suspicion? Has nobody learned their lesson?

apparently not. I've always thought Rivera basically fits the profile of a steroid user in the 90s. Failed starter, surgery, fringe guy just trying to make it.

[Willets Point]

Ceetar wrote: I've always thought Rivera basically fits the profile of a steroid user in the 90s. Failed starter, surgery, fringe guy just trying to make it.

...plays for the New York Yankees.

[bmfc1]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Applauding Chipper is classy. Applauding Mariano is pathetic.

QFT. As Jason Fry said, Larry has been a worthy adversary. Who is Rivera to us? Because Frankie walked him with the bases loaded (the Wilpons have already recognized his actions)? If he played anywhere else this wouldn't be an issue because he achieved greatness in the other league. Just because he plays in another borough doesn't give him a higher status in my mind.

[soupcan]

I'll boor them both.

[seawolf17]

Edgy DC wrote: The problem is that any appearance by Rivera would likely be in a game-critical situation and your chips have to be on the right side of the table at such moments.

Exactly.

Chipper, however, it'd likely be a situational thing, but unless it's a game-on-the-line situation, I'd honor his memory.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Edgy DC wrote: The problem is that any appearance by Rivera would likely be in a game-critical situation and your chips have to be on the right side of the table at such moments. What's with Linda Cohn absolving these guys from steroid suspicion? Has nobody learned their lesson?

Her source? An exclusive report from ESPN's Illicit Pharma division. (Actually, I think that's noted performance-enhancement SME "Buddy Gus" bringing said implicit absolution.)

A "Larry" chant would be the most appropriate tribute for the Ol' Hooter, wouldn't it?

[Guest themetfairy]

I'd go for a swim in his pool before I'd applaud Mariano.

I hat Larry, but I'd probably give him a reluctant clap in his last appearance.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

themetfairy wrote: I'd go for a swim in his pool before I'd applaud Mariano.

I wish I'd thought of that line when I answered the question.

PS, it's not Linda Cohn but the SportsGuy Guy who's deciding what drugs they took or didn't take.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

themetfairy wrote: I'd go for a swim in his pool before I'd applaud Mariano.

Brilliant!

[Guest Edgy DC]

Wow, did I misread that shit. No wonder I liked Taryn's comments better than your'n.

[Guest themetfairy]

Edgy DC wrote: Wow, did I misread that shit. No wonder I liked Taryn's comments better than your'n.

Meaning exactly what?

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

themetfairy wrote: I'd go for a swim in his pool before I'd applaud Mariano.

And you're not glib enough to KTE with the rest of us. Bullspit, prettylady.

Additionally... has it occurred to any of these guys who constantly praise Rivera as the "classiest" and "most dignified" guy in any walk of life that, well, someone who's raised to walk softly and be really, really religious generally grows up to be a guy who walks softly and is really, really religious? It doesn't make you a good person... it makes you someone who, taste-wise, favors outward modesty.

I mean, building hospitals for your people-- and those you've never lived among, ever-- is class. Being exceedingly giving of one's limited time and energy to kids with terminal cancer, especially when the cameras aren't on (and gladly tempting ridicule when they are)... that's dignified.

Contributing some to the church he was indoctrinated to support, avoidance of smiles after victories, and generally not being a Panamanian John Rocker?

Well, with all due respect, all it means is that he's blandly, politely inoffensive, not Gandhi with a fucking cutter.

[MFS62]

If it were definitely going to be Rivera's last game against the Mets, it would be interesting.
Since interleague play is mid-season, a definite last game would mean it was in the World Series of the year he announced he was retiring.
And the need to cheer for the Mets would over-ride any feelings for Mariano.

Later

[Gwreck]

Things I learned from that piece: Rivera's only blown save against the Mets was the Matt Franco game in '99. (Wright '06 was a tie game).

When he first came over here, Jeff Francoeur joked that if the Mets really wanted to get into Larry's head, they'd cheer him instead of booing him and it would throw him off.

In a perfect world, he'd get dead silence when introduced, he'd strike out, and then get a standing O as he walked back to the dugout for the last time with a big Larrrrry chant that would make it clear we were acknowledging him.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Ideally, Mariano Rivera's last appearance against the Mets will be as a mop-up pitcher for the Pittsburgh Pirates.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Ideally, Mariano Rivera's last appearance against the Mets will be as a mop-up pitcher for the Pittsburgh Pirates.

In this case, he gets a standing "O" from me. For the class.

[Guest Edgy DC]

themetfairy wrote: Edgy DC wrote: Wow, did I misread that shit. No wonder I liked Taryn's comments better than your'n. Meaning exactly what?

I misread which comments were attributed to which author. Isn't that clear?

[Guest themetfairy]

Not particularly.

[Frayed Knot]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Ideally, Mariano Rivera's last appearance against the Mets will be as a mop-up pitcher for the Pittsburgh Pirates.

Mariano would never play for any other team but the Yanquis ... why it would be undignified!!
Just like Tim McCarver said last year about Hidecki Matsui.

[Fman99]

I'd like to see Jones and Mo reenact the scene from Blues Brothers where the car with the two Illinois nazis gets dropped from the crane.

[ashie62]

Chipper gets a tip of the cap form me. He made it more fun.

Mariano? total Indifference for the MFY.

[Willets Point]

I still think that a barrage of warm, loving boos would be most appreciated by Larry.

[Theoldmole]

Cheer Larry, boo Mariano.

[batmagadanleadoff]

I'm rooting for a career ending injury. And soon. Rivera has a credible shot at breaking Orosco's record for most games by a pitcher. Orosco has a 302 game lead.