Beltran Running

[Guest Edgy DC]

Beltran has supposedly texted Carton that he is running and 80-90% and expects to play rehab games as early as next week.

The Mets are not confirming.

[Chad ochoseis]

If Joe Petruccio says it, that's good enough for me.

[Gwreck]

2 for 6 as DH in extended spring training game today.

[TransMonk]

Per Metsblog, Jerry says we can start the clock.

Until he's running bases and playing the field, I'm still not buying it.

[Zvon]

I'm dreaming of this scenario where he comes back and plays for the rest of the
season the way he played during that lil stretch for the Astros during the '05 post season.

[A Boy Named Seo]

I guess Grady Sizemore has the same knee thing and underwent the microfracture surgery today.

Edit: yup.

Cleveland Indians Grady Sizemore done for season; will need 6 to 9 months to recover from knee surgery By Paul Hoynes, The Plain Dealer June 04, 2010, 5:57PM CHICAGO, Ill. -- Grady Sizemore is done for the season and then some. Sizemore, the face of the Indians franchise, underwent mircrofracture surgery on his left knee tody in Vail, Colo. He will miss six to months. A release by the Indians said Sizemore is expected to play in Cactus League games next spring. Dr. Richard Steadman performed the surgery in Vail, Colo. It was an arthroscopic procedure that took 90 minutes. The Indians said Steadman wouldn't know the extent of the injury until he started operating. This had to be their worst case scenario. Microfracture surgery involves drilling small holes in the hole to promote the growth of cartilage. The Indians said the cartilage under Sizemore's knee cap was unstable after he injured the knee diving back into a base in April and re-injured on May 16 in Baltimore. Sizemore missed most of September last year with surgery on his left elbow and left groin.

[Zvon]

Wallpaper size:
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[Ceetar]

Looks like Beltran will continue running...in real games starting Thursday for St. Lucie. according the Minaya on SNY.

[seawolf17]

And the 20-day clock starts, according to every person in my Twitter feed.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Running Beltran, running free... see the Beltran, playing in a real game!

[Ceetar]

seawolf17 wrote: And the 20-day clock starts, according to every person in my Twitter feed.

well doesn't start officially until thursday. Latest he'd be able to be back would be 7/15 right after the break. Also a good two weeks to analyze and trade Frenchy for pitching.

[seawolf17]

Disagree. Trade Pagan for pitching.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Disagree. Trade nobody for nobody.

[seawolf17]

I'm just saying IF you're going to trade someone, it's Pagan.

[Guest Edgy DC]

If I'm going to trade somebody, it's Feliciano.

[Benjamin Grimm]

20 days?

I thought they had said it would take six weeks after he started baseball activities. Would that have been 22 days ago?

[Ceetar]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: 20 days? I thought they had said it would take six weeks after he started baseball activities. Would that have been 22 days ago?

the "baseball activities" line has been pissing me off since like January. What's it mean?!?! I assume it must have encompassed the DHing and hitting and light running and 3innings of field work he's been doing.

[Guest OlerudOwned]

seawolf17 wrote: I'm just saying IF you're going to trade someone, it's Pagan.

Then who would play right field?

[Guest Edgy DC]

I hope you're all prepared to be fielding "They're better off without him" comments.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Edgy DC wrote: I hope you're all prepared to be fielding "They're better off without him" comments.

Been prepared. Already have had that conversation with ostensible fans at work.

Along with he's-not-a-2010-kind-of-player bullstink.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Manuel made it clear before Tuesday's game with the Detroit Tigers that Beltran will not see any time on the corners. The Mets' initial plan is to have Pagan -- who can play all three outfield spots -- get significant playing time in left and in right.

Hey, Andrew Marchand, way to go!

[TransMonk]

He's saying that Beltran's doubled 2009 (.325, 20 HR, 96 RBI) is better, but not that much better than Pagan's projected 2010 (.296, 10 HR, 74 RBI)?

Double the HRs and 30% more RBI is that much better. Especially when your RF is Francouer.

Granted, these are all phantom stats, but Marchand brought them to the table. A doubled 2009 Beltran would also have over 100 points more OPS than Pagan's projected 2010.

I love the way that Pagan has played this year. I'm also going to be suspicious of Beltran's ability until he is actually playing MLB games. But, sorry Andy, a genuinely healthy Beltran is better than Angel Pagan in every way, IMO.

[Guest Edgy DC]

And a modestly healthy Beltran is better than Francoeur and (unfortunately) 2010 Bay.

And a fairly healthy Beltran is better than Chris Carter.

And a barely healthy Beltran is better than Jesus Feliciano.

If a manager can't find room for him, he's not trying hard enough.

[Ceetar]

TransMonk wrote: I love the way that Pagan has played this year. I'm also going to be suspicious of Beltran's ability until he is actually playing MLB games. But, sorry Andy, a genuinely healthy Beltran is better than Angel Pagan in every way, IMO.

Pagan has been amazingly valuable. He's played great defense (and has a lot of outfield assists as well, so let's not get all giddy about that from Frenchy), runs the bases, has plenty of extra base power even if not as many go over the walls, and he doesn't strike out a ton. I don't want to diminish how good he's been by talking about Pagan alongside what is basically one of the best CFers you could ask for. The team is better if you find a way to have guys in the lineup regularly.

I'm not ready to project Beltran at less than his normal ability. For one, we've been told that the injury that actually has keep him out is the bone bruises, not the surgery from the offseason. The same bone bruises he played on, successfully, last year. So why should I listen to analysts/writers/fans that want to, without any evidence, predict taht Beltran will come back unable to run as well, hit as well, move as well?

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

2005 notwithstanding, when Beltran's been on the road, his engine's run beautifully, and he's handled like a dream (regardless of how much the brake pads might have been frayed or the shocks might have been worn to metal fringe at the time).

Edited June 23, 2010 by Guest

[metsmarathon]

i find it plain silly that the argument could be beltran vs. pagan. the only argument is beltran vs. francoeur, and in that regard, it's entirely likely that beltran will be more valuable to the team than frenchy is, even after you factor for defense and the steps carlos is sure to have lost.

but why should we have to trade anybody? carlos is going to need time off, as is pagan. carlos is definitely going to be needing days off, and if he's your primary cf, on the days that he's resting, pagan takes over cf duties while frenchy steps into right, and we have the outfield we're currently playing. when carlos is playing, then angel is in right, and we're a better team. maybe not as good as if they were swapped, but i'll take it. (who has the better arm between beltran and pagan, anyways?).

so frenchy will get his playing time, too, and will get enough of it. no need to trade anybody, really.

and as well as he's playing, i'd be really surprised if angel pagan could be the centerpiece of a trade that would bring back a good starting pitcher. so why trade him away for less than that?

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Call me a shithead if you will but I'd trade Beltran's ass out of here for a relief pitcher if I could. Not that I don;t appreciate his greatness, I do. It's just that his knees have fucked up two straight seasons now and I'd prefer to move on now than later.

[ashie62]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Call me a shithead if you will but I'd trade Beltran's ass out of here for a relief pitcher if I could. Not that I don;t appreciate his greatness, I do. It's just that his knees have fucked up two straight seasons now and I'd prefer to move on now than later.

Listen Shithead, I couldn't agree more...AN-HELL

[Gwreck]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Call me a shithead if you will but I'd trade Beltran's ass out of here for a relief pitcher if I could. Not that I don;t appreciate his greatness, I do. It's just that his knees have fucked up two straight seasons now and I'd prefer to move on now than later.

I'd trade him for Cliff Lee, maybe. I won't call you names but his knees have not fucked up any seasons and I think we all know that's a totally disingenuous argument.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I don't think dealing Beltran's bringing back anything much any time soon.