Tom Glavine

[Gwreck]

seawolf17 wrote: I've never once said "Oh, it's okay, because Glavine's pitching tonight." There's always been that underlying unease for me.

Even in the DS and LCS last year? Glavine was pretty good, IIRC. I seem to recall that everybody was pretty confident with him going, worrying about Trachsel, Perez and Maine instead.

[patchyfogg]

Rockin' Doc wrote: ESPN offers the following details regarding the terms of Tom Glavine's contract status for the 2008 season: Glavine signed a one year contract for $10.5 mil. this season. His deal contained a $9 million player option for 2008 that became guaranteed when he passed 160 innings this season. The price of the option increases by $1 million for each additional 10 innings up to a maximum price of $13 million. Glavine pitched 200.3 innings this season, to lead the Mets staff. If the option isn't exercised, Glavine gets a $3 million buyout and he has the right to decline the option even if it becomes guaranteed. So Glavine would receive $13 mil. if he decides to exercise his guaranteed player option or he gets $ 3 mil. if he decides to retire or opts to pursue free agency. Hell, for $13 mil. I would come back for a final year if I was him, so the Mets may not really have a choice.

And, here I thought today's performance would bring his pricetag down to a palatable level for the Braves.

[Elster88]

seawolf17 wrote: Has anyone ever really felt comfortable with Glavine in a big spot? I know I haven't, in all his years here. I've never once said "Oh, it's okay, because Glavine's pitching tonight." There's always been that underlying unease for me.

I did during last year's playoffs AFTER his first NLCS start.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

Anyone who says they knew Glavine would sbhmc today is full of it.

[Elster88]

Today it was massive. I felt good today going into the game.

[Guest Edgy DC]

It would be far easier to dump the hate bucket on Glavine if the Mets O showed up today.

It didn't. How they go forward is going to be very interesting, but I'm not going to fall for the idea that shedding Glavine (or any other scapegoat) puts anything behind this team.

[Elster88]

Edgy DC wrote: It would be far easier to dump the hate bucket on Glavine if the Mets O showed up today.

Well yeah. But I wonder how much more they hit if they're not down 7. I figure (with no real evidence) that the hitters still felt like they had a shot until the second time they left the bases loaded to end an inning.

If Castro's fly ball in the first travels another 10 feet, don't you think they score another 8 runs before the game's over?






I realize that this is all speculation on the players' feelings, which I normally loathe. But I think it's just human nature that they would've felt better and gotten more hits in innings 6-9 if it was 2-1 (or 3-1, etc) instead of 8-1.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

I agree with that.

Re Glavine: I don't think he comes back because he's too old. I can attest to the fact that 41year-olds make lousy athletes.

[Guest Edgy DC]

After 161 games, with everything on the line, I'd hope they all take responsibility for their own performances, and not hide behind "Well, fuckhead got us into such a hole that it was hard to keep trying."

Which isn't to say that your theory doesn't hold water, but if it is true, it sure explains a lot about this team.

[metsmarathon]

glavine may try to come back to wash the stench off of his record. who knows....

[Frayed Knot]

Not to go defending Glavine who clearly wasn't sharp today (or last time) but if just one of those soft singles went AT some infielder instead of between them there could have been an easy GiDP and who knows what happens after that. Maybe he would have sucked in inning 2 instead ... or maybe he wouldn't have.

And again not to equate the two, but Saturday after Maine puts on the second runner of the game he gets a Strike-out/throw-out. Suppose that had been a BB+SB instead and it's 1st & 2nd 1 out???


Aw fuck it, we could drive ourselves nuts with that kind of stuff.

[soupcan]

Edgy DC wrote: It would be far easier to dump the hate bucket on Glavine if the Mets O showed up today.

7 runs in less than inning in a game as important as this against a last place team? I don't know about you but its pretty easy for me to dump the hate bucket on him.

He went out there and basically gave his team no shot to win.

[Elster88]

Edgy DC wrote: After 161 games, with everything on the line, I'd hope they all take responsibility for their own performances, and not hide behind "Well, fuckhead got us into such a hole that it was hard to keep trying." Which isn't to say that your theory doesn't hold water, but if it is true, it sure explains a lot about this team.

I don't think it says a lot about the team. I think it says a lot about human nature.

[soupcan]

And just to be clear - I don't blame Glavine for this team's collapse (he was a large part of it however). I'm just pointing out that he had several shots to lift this team up out of this funk at very significant moments both against vastly inferior teams. Not only did not do that, he didn't even show up.

[soupcan]

Johnny Dickshot wrote: Anyone who says they knew Glavine would sbhmc today is full of it.

I'm on record in the first post of this thread.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Elster88 wrote: ="Edgy DC"]After 161 games, with everything on the line, I'd hope they all take responsibility for their own performances, and not hide behind "Well, fuckhead got us into such a hole that it was hard to keep trying." Which isn't to say that your theory doesn't hold water, but if it is true, it sure explains a lot about this team. I don't think it says a lot about the team. I think it says a lot about human nature.

Any team who doesn't believe they can find a way back into that game isn't ready to go to no playoffs. The bullpen --- bad as they've been --- didn't quit, why should the offense?

[Elster88]

Edgy DC wrote: ="Elster88"] Edgy DC wrote: After 161 games, with everything on the line, I'd hope they all take responsibility for their own performances, and not hide behind "Well, fuckhead got us into such a hole that it was hard to keep trying." Which isn't to say that your theory doesn't hold water, but if it is true, it sure explains a lot about this team. I don't think it says a lot about the team. I think it says a lot about human nature. Any team who doesn't believe they can find a way back into that game isn't ready to go to no playoffs. The bullpen --- bad as they've been --- didn't quit, why should the offense?

I'm strongly being a hypocrite and devil's advocate. Maybe the bullpen didn't get hit becuase the Marlins stopped trying so hard because they were up seven runs.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Maybe. But I'll add again that if the Mets hitters are too depressed to believe they can score seven off of a last place team with a starter with a 5+ ERA, plus the worst defense in the league, then they've only got themselves to blame. And have serious issues that need some looking into.

Al Leiter dug a similar hole in game seven against the Braves in 1999. Those guys didn't quit, and that was a much better opponenent.

Adversity and being behind the eight ball is something every team has to answer.

[Elster88]

Word.




I still wish Castro had hit the ball ten feet further.

[smg58]

Glavine's performance yesterday was simply unforgivable. He can't come back. If Minaya has to eat his contract like he should eat those of Mota and Schoenweiss, then so be it.

Not that he's the only player to blame, but there's failure and then there's hitting the opposing pitcher with the bases loaded.

[metirish]

There is plenty of blame to go around, the arrogance of some players thinking they are too good for this to happen to them, hell Delgado was beating that drum even after the game yesterday.

[seawolf17]

I don't blame Glavine for losing the division. He's just part of the big picture. And I hoped for good things yesterday, but I certainly didn't go into the game thinking, "All right! Tommy's going today! We're gonna lock this thing up!"

[Vic Sage]

phuck tom glavine.

[Guest Grote15]

Other than the obvious..what bothered me was Glavines post game rap..It was basically "just another day at the office..gotta run"

He will be in the HOF but many will remember him for this single outing and day in his life.

[Benjamin Grimm]

A sports psychologist on NPR today said that Glavine's attitude isn't what the fans like, but it's what makes athletes successful. They have to have the ability to shake off the losses and not dwell on them.

[Benjamin Grimm]

NPR's All Things Considered discusses the Mets collapse:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14869673

]All Things Considered, October 1, 2007 � The collapse of the New York Mets, who were passed by the streaking Philadelphia Phillies during the last days of baseball's regular season, raises questions about the mental aspects of winning and losing. Psychology of Baseball author Mike Stadler discusses the mental aspects of winning and losing on the diamond with Robert Siegel.

[soupcan]

Well whoopie-dam-doo for Tom Glavine. He's mentally fit!

Boy I feel better now.

The athletes never have as much invested as the fan. Most of us have been rooting for the NEW YORK METS for years, since we were kids even. We see 'METS' we see so much more than a bseball team, we see our whole lives. These kind of losses and seasons hurt so much because the Mets are a part of us. To the vast majority of players the teams they play for are simply their employers. Nothing more, nothing less.

That's why when a franchise gets a guy that seems to care as much as the fans do - Derek Jeter, Ken Griffey, Craig Biggio, George Brett, Tony Gwynn, Cal Ripken, etc. that guy becomes beloved. The fans feel like that guy has as much invested as they do.

Maybe we've got one in Wright. I'd like to think so.

I don't blame Glavine for feeling the way he does, I understand it. His nonchalant postgame reaction doesn't bother me. All I heard all season about Glavine was '300, Hall of Fame, crafty veteran, mentor to the young pitchers, blah, blah, blah' and when push came to shove it looked like he didn't even make an effort.

[Guest slugger1138]

Glavine's a piece of shit.

[A Boy Named Seo]

Welcome back, man.

[Centerfield]

Don't let the door hit you asshole.


Back home in Atlanta following the New York Mets' historic collapse, Tom Glavine said Tuesday he'll "most likely" decline his $9 million player option for next season.

"I have five days at the end of our season to accept or decline [the option]," Glavine said from his Alpharetta, Ga., home. "Most likely, I'll decline it."

"I still enjoy pitching. I enjoy that day when I go out there trying to execute a game plan. I still enjoy that, and that's not going to go away anytime soon. But does that enjoyment outweigh my, well, not dislike, but my lack of enjoyment the other four days a week when I'm away from home?"

"Atlanta is home. The hardest thing for me in New York is playing and being away from home. I've played in New York for five years now. If you break it down [in days, weeks and months], I've been away from my home for four years now. I'm at the point where my wife and kids [ages 13, 12, 8 and 6] are making sacrifices for me."

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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/10/02/glavine.future/index.html