Are the Mets Just Bad

[Edgy MD]

My feelings about their offensive approach are too tedious to repeat — and I'd sure like to see alteration there — but I'm certain that they have plenty of good baseball ahead.

[Lefty Specialist]

Are the Mets just bad?



Yes.

[DocTee]

As I posted elsewhere, they have scored one run or fewer in 25% of this year's games. That is....not good.

[Lefty Specialist]

And when they score 9 runs.......they give up 10.

[Frayed Knot]

=DocTee post_id=155697 time=1716046279 user_id=85]
As I posted elsewhere, they have scored one run or fewer in 25% of this year's games. That is....not good.

[metirish]

Yes

[Edgy MD]

I think we're soon going to be seeing the last of of Tyrone Taylor and Adrian Houser.



If it were 1986 and Davey Johnson was making the calls, I think we'd be seeing him trying Mark Vientos in left, in right, at short, and at first, in addition to third, in order to get his bat in the lineup without necessarily having to take a job from somebody else.



It's the same strategy that allowed Bobby Valentine to get Butch Huskey to the plate 500 times in 1997.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Oh, Houser is doomed. I'm less certain about Taylor.

[Edgy MD]

Taylor isn't really playing his way off the team the way that Houser sadly is, but he's not been useful enough to justify his bad fit on the roster. He's capable of helping on offense and defense but he's not doing either right now. He misplayed a ball off the wall today that was one of five different small things that could have been today's difference-maker.



I'm less certain about him too, but this team seemed like it was built to evaluate and make changes on the fly.

[Centerfield]

I haven't been following the rotation enough but I can't understand why it was necessary to start Houser when we've recently added Scott and Megill to the rotation and haven't lost any starters. I get load management. But Houser is a walking L.



It's depressing to be worse than the five games below .500 mark we were at to start the season. At this point the only hope for our offense is that Vientos keeps it up and we get some other help from the farm.



For the guys that we have, this is what they are.

[Benjamin Grimm]

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I haven't been following the rotation enough but I can't understand why it was necessary to start Houser when we've recently added Scott and Megill to the rotation and haven't lost any starters.

[Edgy MD]

Sometimes, when a guy is playing poorly and teetering on the edge of a roster, he gets inserted into the lineup as perhaps a last chance to show what he can do. It's seemingly what they did with Joey Wendle. The opportunity he gets feels counterintuitive to watch, certainly, but it can help quicken a team's decision, or showcase what the player may or may not have to any potential trading partners.

[ashie62]

I am watching the seasons that Drew Gilbert, Luisangel Acuma and Jett Williams are having with anticipation for the future



You could add to this talent pool by moving someone and there are plenty of candidates to trade



Opening up playing time for Vientos would be a good thing



I don't know if the Mets are genuinely good or bad at this time. I might have a better answer shortly before the trade deadline

[whippoorwill]

Or maybe they are all just slumping at the same time and someday all come out bats a'blazin'



Is anybody hitting line drives? That's usually a good sign

[Edgy MD]

I think Omar Narváez is also on borrowed time.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Who would replace him, at least until Alvarez returns?

[MFS62]

Edgy MD wrote: I think Omar Narváez is also on borrowed time.

I don't see anyone ready in the organization, unless they want to force feed Parada.

Alvarez just got the stitches removed this week and is still weeks away from rejoining the team.

They may have to bite the bullet with Narváez until Francisco returns.

What would you do?

Later

[Edgy MD]

I'm not advocating. I'm just guessing. But they can certainly look outside the organization.

[Edgy MD]

And as I type, Tyrone Taylor pinch-hits for Narváez in the ninth against a righthander — about as decisive a demonstration of Mendez' respect as we can look for.

[Lefty Specialist]

Parada's the safety net if Alvarez fails. They're not going to rush him up before he's ready. And if Alvarez thrives, he's the first baseman in a post-Alonso world.



Oh, and the Mets are just bad. I'd like to know 'the plan', like we always used to ask of Sandy Alderson back in the day. 'Cuz it's not really working out so far.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I'd like to think that they're as good as they were for a couple of weeks in April, but it's really not looking that way.



But since mediocre teams can make the playoffs, and there are still almost 120 games remaining, the Mets may still turn out to be mediocre enough to qualify.



Maybe they'll start to play better after a while, but they very well might not. All we can do is wait and see.

[The Hot Corner]

This team certainly does not look very good. Collectively, they don't hit well. They walk far too many hitters. The pitchers and catchers seem incapable of stopping opposing base runners from running wild, so all those free passes might as well be advance to second free passes. Defensively, they have not been as good or consistent as I anticipated.



I mostly have been watching the condensed games on MLB, but from what I have seen, this team does not look likely to win more than 80-82 games. I hope I am wrong, but they just don't pass the "eye test" for me.

[Fman99]

I didn't look to see when they were playing, and I missed the entire game, and I don't know, maybe that's not a bad thing. It was hard enough to listen to the Tuesday game.

[MFS62]

The Hot Corner wrote: I hope I am wrong, but they just don't pass the "eye test" for me.

The way they've been playing, they don't pass the smell test, either.

Later

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

They're not good but is anyone truly worked up about this? I think all of us know deep down that .500 is like the world series for this team, and that for all the bad baseball not contending will likely accelerate what needs to be done to get better. That doesn't mean I'm rooting for a tank, I want to see them play and enjoy whatever the season brings.



It's plain that Philadelphia and Atlanta are just better teams than us this year even if we tidied up our executional deficiencies a little. I hope they can do that much, and I hope for the Tuesday Night's sake they can entertain us, but I'm not in the dumps over this team. They are what they are.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I'm definitely not worked up. I hope they win as many games as they can. There's still a chance they can make the watered-down postseason. If they do, great, if they don't, then it's just another year as a Mets fan.

[metirish]

Yeah, same here ,I watched for the most part , but definitely not letting it ruin my day , would be nice to be competitive, baseball for the most part to me has become mind numbingly boring to watch

[Bob Alpacadaca]

I think what they told Scherzer was true. It's a transition year to see what they have and get the better prospects a year closer.



I know there's a lot of talk about the upcoming free agency class and that the Mets will go in for Juan Soto. I don't want to get my heart set on that.

[Centerfield]

The Mets are now 20th in runs scored. 22nd in OPS.



On the pitching side, they are 16th in team ERA, and 23rd in WHIP.



So in a nutshell, the games are no fun because we don't score runs, and our hitting isn't good enough to suggest that we should be scoring more runs. On the other hand, our pitching gives up an average number of runs, but there's tons of baserunners, so each inning we're afraid the other team will get that one big hit that will put the game out of reach for our anemic offense.



Good times.

[batmagadanleadoff]

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The Mets are now 20th in runs scored. 22nd in OPS.



On the pitching side, they are 16th in team ERA, and 23rd in WHIP.



So in a nutshell, the games are no fun because we don't score runs, and our hitting isn't good enough to suggest that we should be scoring more runs. On the other hand, our pitching gives up an average number of runs, but there's tons of baserunners, so each inning we're afraid the other team will get that one big hit that will put the game out of reach for our anemic offense.



Good times.