Rank the Managers with duan (split from Collins’s Ass Leaves the Jackpot Altogether)

[duan]

Mets managers whom I've experienced.



Bobby V

Art Howe

Willie Randolph

Jerry Manuel

Terry Collins

Mickey Calloway

Luis Rojas



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My 'gut' feeling rankings.

1. Bobby Valentine

2. Terry Collins

3. Willie Randolph

4. Luis Rojas

5. Art Howe

6. Jerry Manuel

7. Mickey Calloway.

[Edgy MD]

Ouch, Mickey.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

I said this before but feel like Mickey was almost getting it by the time he was whacked. Fred taking out Sandy really left him on his own and I wondered if Sandy would consider bringing him back as the pitching coach. We need a new coaching staff for sure although Hef would probably be safer than most

[Centerfield]

From Duan's list:



1. Bobby Valentine



Good manager. Good guy. I like him a lot.



2. Terry Collins



Not a great manager. Good guy. I like him despite not being great.



3. Willie Randolph



Not a great manager. Unlikeable guy. Don't like him at all.



4. Luis Rojas



Too early to tell. Like I haven't even seen his face yet.



5. Art Howe



Dumb. Seems a good guy though.



6. Jerry Manuel



Not a good manager. Likeable guy.



7. Mickey Calloway



The dumbest we've had. Surly and insecure. Complete waste of time.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Ranking the Unmagnificent Seven Deserves Its Own Thread

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

1. Bobby Vee

*

2. Terry

*

3. Mickey

4. Willie

5. Jerry

6. Art

*

7. Luis (icomplete)



Big gap between Bobby and terry, then another gap between the next 4. I gave Willie the edge on jerry only because Willie seemed more "respected" among the various cohorts he reported to (fans, media, players) even though Jerry did most everything better. Art is sort of like Mickey, with the added task of managing immediately following a period of Wilponian meddling and so were deeper in the pile of shit than their peers. I give Mickey some credit for going out stronger than all the rest, even though he knew he was doomed

[MFS62]

Seen 'em all.

Casey - gate attraction - the right man when needed.

Gil - great leader - I'd both follow him and trust him anywhere

Bobby - great magician - made the pieces greater than the sum of the parts

Davey - Great innovator - used a PC, kept the numbers and used them very well



Luis - incomplete



I wouldn't let the rest of them manage my team again, no matter what the circumstances.



Later

[batmagadanleadoff]

I'm staying away from this thread. Because I totally lose it whenever I read anything positive about Willie Randolph as Mets manager. It's almost as bad as the crap about retiring Gary Carter's number.

[Marshmallowmilkshake]

Randolph has the second-highest winning percentage among Mets managers and never finished below third. But you don't even hear about him getting inveriews anymore, much less getting hired as a manager. That must be a sign.

[A Boy Named Seo]

=Centerfield post_id=51087 time=1605887685 user_id=65]




4. Luis Rojas



Too early to tell. Like I haven't even seen his face yet.



The dumbest we've had. Surly and insecure. Complete waste of time.

[Edgy MD]

I think he kind of looks impish. Like pointy ears and stuff.



Apart from Terry, the only persons I've ever heard describe a tough situation as being "in a jackpot," or having one's "ass in a jackpot" are cops.



Usually, it was with regard to being in a tough spot professionally. As in "My partner was seeing a hooker and now Internal Affairs wants to talk to me about it. That's some jackpot he left me in."

[LWFS]

So what you're saying is... TERRY WAS A COP ALL ALONG?

[duan]

I did that off the top of my head and what surprised me was how bad they all were.

The thing that got me with Calloway was the whole circus he created midseason with Tim Healey and the Vargas follow-on that was a low of lows

I put Rojas 4 only because it would seem wrong to rank him in the top half after 60 games when they were let's face it pretty terrible - but I was tempted because Willie was so bad.

[duan]

Also having watched the video it's the ump who says ass in the jackpot not Terry unless Terry said it somewhere else.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I go all the way back to Gil Hodges, but I'm not sure I can remember enough details to rank them all.



I know that the only two who struck me as smart, and I mean smart-smart, not just baseball-smart, are Davey Johnson and Bobby Valentine. Mickey Calloway was billed as a smart guy, and I was happy at the idea of having a smart manager again. Unfortunately, he didn't live up to the billing.

[Edgy MD]

=LWFS post_id=51151 time=1605938644 user_id=84]So what you're saying is... TERRY WAS A COP ALL ALONG?

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Mickey batting the Mets out of order was a thing I found hard to forget. Yeah it's just a procedural screwup but it won the Reds a game and lost the Mets one, and sooner or later you reach a point in the year where you have one loss too many. Can't think of any game where Callaway Xed and Oed the Mets to win it back. The best you could hope with him was that he would not do that again

[smg58]

So my first impression is that it's really not an impressive list. I'd rank Collins first; like Alderson, he took the job when nobody wanted it and has a trip to the World Series to show for it. I've always thought Valentine was overrated, but he's still quite a bit better than the rest of these. I always felt bad for Howe, because he inherited a situation where success was impossible. Randolph deserves less credit for what went right in 2006 and less blame for what went wrong afterwards than Minaya does, but he did preside over a historic collapse. Manuel and Calloway were non-entities. I guess I would put Rojas ahead of those two for now, because he could still grow into the role (which Manuel and Calloway never did).

[Lefty Specialist]

For me, it's Bobby and Davey and then the rest of the field. Too young to judge the Salty Parkers of the world, or Gil or Casey.



Willie had so much talent on those rosters and squandered it. Terry was put in an impossible situation by ownership; he wasn't the greatest manager but he wasn't the worst. He was put there to keep the guys motivated and he did that. And he got them to a World Series when most of us weren't expecting it so he gets a bit of a pass. Yes, he played favorites, played vets over young guys and his bullpen management wasn't the best, but he was crippled by Wilponziness from the jump.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Randolph has the second-highest winning percentage among Mets managers and never finished below third. But you don't even hear about him getting inveriews anymore, much less getting hired as a manager. That must be a sign.

If Randolph won "x" games as Mets manager, an average or replacement level Mets manager would have won "x+" games with those teams. Randolph inherited about as good a team as any manager in Mets history and then ownership splurged on expensive free agents and star players under expensive contracts. And he had Reyes and Wright right out of the box. Randolph was a disgrace. It was like buying a Lamborghini for a blind person. Those Mets won in spite of, not because of Randolph.