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Newhan 2 Green 1

Perez 6 Easley 2 Wright 1 Gomez 1

Only Steinbrenner would think to respect freedom by chaining people in and telling them what to do.

"You may run like Mays, but you hit like shit."

I happened to be watching this game when Michael Kay delivered the news that the Red Sox had come back to win. His tone was so somber you'd think he was telling the audience Kennedy had been shot.

I don't know if it's just me, but Ralph actually sounds better than he did last year. That being said, I hate that they have him sit in for part of the game. I get the feeling the other guys feel forced to steer the conversation toward one of Ralph's anecdotes while he is there. Let him sit for the whole game. If he has nothing to add, he can sit and watch. But give him time for the stories to come to him.

The error was charged to Chris Ray, the O's closer. He was late to cover first, and then missed the throw allowing the winning run to score. The throw was a little behind him but it looked like something he should have been able to handle.

Yesterday's Triple Happiness was especially happy considering a lot of other games went our way too. To make it official: 5/13/07 - Mother's Day Mets 9, Brewers 1 Pirates 13, Braves 2 Mariners 2, MFY's 1 Also adding to our pleasure: Red Sox 6, Orioles 5 (Boston scores 6 in the 9th, the last two on an error to push the MFY's 8 back) Cubs 4, Phillies 1 Nationals 6, Marlins 4 (One team in the division had to win, might as well have it be the one in last) Savor the day folks.

Omar Joins Bald Brigade http://www.nypost.com/seven/05102007/sports/mets/omar_joins_bald_brigade_mets_mark_hale.htm I think this is pretty cool.

Mookie should be in center.

I was joking before, but this really was a big win. A loss today, and the Mets go home with a 4-3 road trip after winning the first 3. Instead, they go home 5-2 and feeling pretty good about themselves.

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Crapfuck Beltran. Gotta make contact there. Delgado should be bunting here.

Awesome. Must be a big game.

Normally I'd want Reyes to take a strike there, but since he knew that popup would be botched I guess it's a good play. Come on David.

Rally time. Rally time.

3-2 Giants on Roberts HR. Bad things happening and I'm alone in the IGT.

Jints get on the board on a WP by Maine. Mets fail to make contact in the 5th. Onto the bottom of the inning, 8-9-1 due up for SF.

Delgado to CF: Bunt this.

I'm surprised Reyes held out. I would have guessed he would be one of the ringleaders. I'm worried about Beltran's quad.

LF wrote: I have much trouble following you at times. It's funny how you sum up her entire posting career with that one line.

Salamander Q Administrator & Newt Posts: 270 (12/18/01 9:16 am) Re: You're so full of crap, WBG... You want me to stop thinking rationally altogether? OK, I can do that, chief. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ms Met II Luis Rivera — SS, 2B, 1994 Posts: 300 (12/18/01 1:10 pm) Well, just so long as your keeping an open mind WBG... "As I said above, just because that opinion doesn't jibe with yours doesn't automatically make it wrong. I don't have an opinion on this subject. My issue is with your belief in forming opinions on topics you know next to nothing about." MM: And my issue is with your assuming that anyone who forms an opinion you don't agree with knows nothing. You have no more knolwedge of the topic than I do, so what the hell makes you so intellectually superior? "You're not producing any more proof than I am - we're both looking at the same amount of information and deciding differently - that's our right. I haven't decided a thing." MM: Except that I know "next to nothing" because I don't deign to agree with you. You have no problem deciding that. I tried to give you what you want - a considered response to your points. I thought I could expect the same in return - guess I was asking for too much. Like soldier's in the winter's night with a vow to defend No retreat and baby...NO SURRENDER!

CookieMom Jim Lindeman — OF, 1B, 1994 Posts: 436 (12/17/01 4:11 pm) Re: So I'm sittin' there minding my own business... No pouting? You mean I have to get over the Turk trade? But it's only been 4 1/2 months! You Are the True Lord of the Dance - No Matter What Those Idiots At Work Say! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ms Met II Kurt Abbott — SS, 2B, 2000 Posts: 267 (12/17/01 4:21 pm) Re: So I'm sittin' there minding my own business... You reap what you sow, YGB - don't try to foist this on me. Mom - take it up with edgy, he's the one making all the edicts! As far as I'm concerned, you can pout over Turk all you want. Like soldier's in the winter's night with a vow to defend No retreat and baby...NO SURRENDER! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kasey62 Tony Phillips — OF, 1998 Posts: 246 (12/17/01 4:28 pm) Re: So I'm sittin' there minding my own business... I don't think the pouting thing is an ACTUAL edict. I made the comment to try and end the thread with a little humor but you like to get the last word so the thread lives. Ever notice I rarely argue with you anymore? Let's move on. Well I just wanna have some fun I probably won't see no money I just wanna have some fun 'fore they throw me in the sanitarium -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ms Met II Kurt Abbott — SS, 2B, 2000 Posts: 269 (12/17/01 4:37 pm) Re: So I'm sittin' there minding my own business... Sorry, KC, but I didn't find much in this thread that was very humorus. I don't recall ever doing anything to offend you, but then it seems that I don't have to do much to be offensive to someone these days. Consider the entire subject dropped. Like soldier's in the winter's night with a vow to defend No retreat and baby...NO SURRENDER! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kasey62 Tony Phillips — OF, 1998 Posts: 247 (12/17/01 4:48 pm) Re: So I'm sittin' there minding my own business... Well, the Ms. Met is gonna gag on her toast again line was at least mildly funny. You've never offended me. Frustrated me, but never offended me. Cheer up dammit. Well I just wanna have some fun I probably won't see no money I just wanna have some fun 'fore they throw me in the sanitarium -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ms Met II Charlie Puleo — SP, RP, 1981-1982 Posts: 272 (12/17/01 4:54 pm) Re: So I'm sittin' there minding my own business... Thanks, KC - I appreciate that. And you're right - I forgot about the gagging line. It was mildly funny. Dammit, how do you always manage to get me to laugh in spite of myself?! Like soldier's in the winter's night with a vow to defend No retreat and baby...NO SURRENDER! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- metsmarathon Preston Wilson, OF, 1998 Posts: 207 (12/17/01 4:57 pm) Re: So I'm sittin' there minding my own business... kc is da man, and much funnier than tony phillips. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CookieMom Jim Lindeman — OF, 1B, 1994 Posts: 437 (12/17/01 5:06 pm) Re: So I'm sittin' there minding my own business... But is he funnier than Lenny Harris? You Are the True Lord of the Dance - No Matter What Those Idiots At Work Say! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- JonathanArcher Darren Reed, OF, 1990 Posts: 216 (12/17/01 5:08 pm) Re: So I'm sittin' there minding my own business... Funnier than Lenny Harris - yes Funnier than CF? - Not in this lifetime "If Billy Beane can build the kind of team he built in Oakland with a payroll under $40 million, somebody explain to me how come Phillips can't do it for $100 million at Shea?" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CookieMom Jim Lindeman — OF, 1B, 1994 Posts: 439 (12/17/01 5:09 pm) Re: So I'm sittin' there minding my own business... Nobody is funnier than CF - he's in a league of his own You Are the True Lord of the Dance - No Matter What Those Idiots At Work Say! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Centerfield II Clint Hurdle — C, OF, 3B, 1983, 1985, 1987 Posts: 221 (12/17/01 5:16 pm) Re: So I'm sittin' there minding my own business... Stop it you two. You're making me blush. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CookieMom Juan Acevedo — RP, 1997 Posts: 440 (12/17/01 5:21 pm) Re: So I'm sittin' there minding my own business... Don't you oppress me! I'll do what I damn well please You Are the True Lord of the Dance - No Matter What Those Idiots At Work Say! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ms Met II Charlie Puleo — SP, RP, 1981-1982 Posts: 275 (12/17/01 5:25 pm) Re: So I'm sittin' there minding my own business... Lenny's good - but KC's better. CF is an acquired taste! Like soldier's in the winter's night with a vow to defend No retreat and baby...NO SURRENDER! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- JonathanArcher Darren Reed, OF, 1990 Posts: 217 (12/17/01 5:27 pm) Re: So I'm sittin' there minding my own business... CF usually hits with a nice clean surgical strike. "If Billy Beane can build the kind of team he built in Oakland with a payroll under $40 million, somebody explain to me how come Phillips can't do it for $100 million at Shea?" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- metsmarathon Preston Wilson, OF, 1998 Posts: 208 (12/17/01 5:29 pm) Re: So I'm sittin' there minding my own business... cf is funny, but i still aint kissing him. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- JonathanArcher Darren Reed, OF, 1990 Posts: 219 (12/17/01 5:30 pm) Re: So I'm sittin' there minding my own business... mm - I wouldn't kiss him with your lips....... "If Billy Beane can build the kind of team he built in Oakland with a payroll under $40 million, somebody explain to me how come Phillips can't do it for $100 million at Shea?" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ms Met II Junior Ortiz — C, 1983-1984 Posts: 280 (12/17/01 6:19 pm) Correcting the error of my ways... I went back and read your response, WBG, and offer this retort: "I know that I've read many things over the last several years which have stated that Wilpon was focused on the new stadium So?" MM: So, I feel that Wilpon has put his stadium plans ahead of the best interests of the team at times, but that's just my impression - I have nothing solid to back it up. "and I know that I've watched this team go the budget route instead of going after big names like ARod, Gonzalez, Giambi, etc. will little real explanation except for Wilpon's continued chorus of "we're sticking to our present budget". First of all you've already said in this thread that 95 million is appropriate for this team. How is that the "budget route"? How do you know we won't go after Gonzalez? More importanly, how do you know we NEED to? Giambi wasn't pursued because we don't need a first baseman/DH nor a bidding war with the @#%$. Is that not a "real" explanation? Arod cost too much, but why not ask Doubleday to be sure." MM: Had that 95 million been apportioned properly, there could have been more wiggle room. Then again, I admit I don't know squat about the financial operations of this team, but it seems to me that a team situated in one of the biggest markets in the country could've had a better share of top talent than we've had in the last few years. I don't know we won't go after Gonzalez, which is why I've repeatedly said that I hope Fred Wilpon - to date, the only person in the organization to speak out AGAINST acquiring him - will prove me wrong and get him. I don't know that we specifically need HIM, but I do know damn well that we need to add offense and if you can pick up one of the better bats in the game for less than it might normally take to get him, it behooves you to at least try and do it. The last time I looked, we needed to offload aging, injury plagued players at BOTH corners of our infield. That means, we could well have used a 1bman. Unfortunately, Todd Zeile's surgery precluded our being able to deal him and pretty much cut us out of the Giambi sweeps. I only brought up Giambi in the first place because it was the @#%$ dealing for him which prompted the articles to which I referred in the beginning of this thread and which I STILL don't agree with. " I also know that all the reports around the time of the Piazza signing had Nelson Doubleday pushing Steve Phillips to get it done and Fred Wilpon balking at the cost. Yet, we went and did it anyway and ... imagine ... we find that money's tight. It's possible that Wilpon felt that spreading out that sum over several players would be the better option. Using your argument it would seem that Doubleday is the one saying "Who cares about winning, we have a star attraction."" MM: Very true - anything is possible. Again, I can only form judgements based upon what little facts I have, and those facts all point toward Wilpon not wanting Mike and Doubleday pushing for him. No-one ever elaborated on either's reasoning on the subject. "Obviously, any or all of these reports could be wrong, and I could be wrong for believing them, but as I said, I have yet to see anything to the contrary. Yes you have. You've seen dozens of challenges to your line of thought on this subject from a number of reasonable people. You should also be aware of the oft-repeated statements from SP that Fred could give him flexibility in the event he needed it ~ which to this point, SP hasn't yet." MM: What I've seen is many challenges to my opinion from other posters on this board with differing opinions. Unless those posters are employees of the Mets front office with more actual information than I have, that doesn't necessarily make them right and me wrong. I'm sorry, but I'm not wrong just because YOU say I am anymore than you're wrong because I say you are - it doesn't work that way. As to Steve Phillips - of course he's going to claim that he could have the flexibility, it gives him a better leg to stand on in negotiations. If he publically admits that he can't go any further financially, there isn't exactly going to be a line of FA's waiting to sign with us, is there? Those particular statements prove nothing other than that SP is a good GM and an even better spin doctor. "If you want anything more specific, I'm afraid I can't furnish it, which I'm sure makes me wrong as far as most folks are concerned. So be it. You're wrong not because you can't produce proof -- you're wrong because you made up your mind absent of it, or at least without considering all that is available." MM: No, actually I did consider all the proof that was available to me and I formed an opinion. The last time I looked, that was my right. As I said above, just because that opinion doesn't jibe with yours doesn't automatically make it wrong. You're not producing any more proof than I am - we're both looking at the same amount of information and deciding differently - that's our right. Like soldier's in the winter's night with a vow to defend No retreat and baby...NO SURRENDER! Edited by: Ms Met II at: 12/17/01 6:08:25 pm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wide BeeGee Fernando Viña — 2B, 3B, SS, OF, 1994 Posts: 163 (12/17/01 11:46 pm) Re: Correcting the error of my ways... As I said above, just because that opinion doesn't jibe with yours doesn't automatically make it wrong. I don't have an opinion on this subject. My issue is with your belief in forming opinions on topics you know next to nothing about. You're not producing any more proof than I am - we're both looking at the same amount of information and deciding differently - that's our right. I haven't decided a thing. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Salamander Q Administrator & Newt Posts: 261 (12/18/01 12:03 am) You're so full of crap, WBG... You do so have an opinion. How do you know I don't have proof? Prove that, if you're so smart. I have every right to have an opinion on a subject on which (sez you) I know nothing. I know a lot of things, and I'm sorry but I'm not taking your guff denying me the right to argue that my opinions are valid merely because they're my opinions. I work hard to come to my conclusions--some weeks I invest a half-hour in thinking rationally-- so I'm not going to just give up my opinions because some pointyhead shows me a few devastating contradictions in my posts. Look, I respect your carefullyconsidered, well-reasoned posts, so why can't you just accept (and R-E-S-P-E-C-T, dammit) my irrational jibberings? I don't get you. Peace between our warring tribes, and goodwill and blessings to you and yours. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kasey62 Gene Walter — RP, 1987-1988 Posts: 250 (12/18/01 8:08 am) Re: You're so full of crap, WBG... --some weeks I invest a half-hour in thinking rationally-- Stop, quit it. Well I just wanna have some fun I probably won't see no money I just wanna have some fun 'fore they throw me in the sanitarium