It's All Royal Blue's Fault

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Oh, I'm also sure Samuels probably isn't deserving of the potential prison sentence he's looking at for hoarding Met gear in a friend's basement inasmuch as as long as the Mets had Bernie Madoff on their roster it was perfectly OK for a trusted longtime employee to help himself to dubious perks on the side.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Yeah, I certainly don't think he was lying through his purloining teeth so much as maybe seeing the world through a self-interested lens.

[Fman99]

TransMonk wrote: I don't really care, but my least favorite are the black road jerseys that say "Mets". The road jerseys should say "New York".

I've said this many times. The road jersey should have the name of the city; the home jersey the name of the team.

[DocTee]

That Toussaint line was the best of hte year.

the quality of the color is lost surrounded by a like-yet-different neighbor. It looks like something just blurred out of something else.

They're "caught between the two, like a shade between two shades." -- Paul Muldroon (or is it Joyce?)

[Guest Edgy DC]

I went to my evening job and one of my regular clients, a hothead Trinidadian named Ron, shows up in a tee-shirt with Toussaint L'Ouverture on it. It's not every day you encounter L'Ouverture twice.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

Fman99 wrote: TransMonk wrote: I don't really care, but my least favorite are the black road jerseys that say "Mets". The road jerseys should say "New York". I've said this many times. The road jersey should have the name of the city; the home jersey the name of the team.

See! The MFY's can't even get this right!

[Centerfield]

This one, that don't exist no more: That photo always makes me smile G

Agreed. I love the way Dakota is checking underneath the hat to make sure it's her father. My daughter does this too. She'll be bouncing along, and then gets struck with the thought "Wait, who am I sitting on again?" and pulls my face around to make sure it's me.

When Turk was traded, Edgy posted something along the lines of "Sure, we'll let them have Turk, but can we keep Dakota?" Couldn't agree more.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I'd be terrified to see what kind of 13-year-old monster she turned into.

[batmagadanleadoff]

one thing the Mets were convinced about was that the Yankees were killing them at retail, especially with the hats, because people didn't like royal blue.

It's gotta be the hats. Because it couldn't have been that the Yankees had overtaken the Mets in popularity by winning the World Series in '96, and by finishing no lower than second place for five straight seasons while the Mets were pelting themselves and other living things with bleach, live firecrackers and golf clubs. No. That couldn't have been it. It was the hats. Typical Wilpon Mets. Why bother to fix the team when instead, they can market it by selling the fans a phony bill of goods about how black is one of the Mets official colors according to the newfound dubious revisionist history? And don't forget to remind the fan base every seven minutes that Rey Ordonez is the Babe Ruth of fielding. Did you know that Babe Ruth wore a dark cap?

[batmagadanleadoff]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: one thing the Mets were convinced about was that the Yankees were killing them at retail, especially with the hats, because people didn't like royal blue. It's gotta be the hats. Because it couldn't have been that the Yankees had overtaken the Mets in popularity by winning the World Series in '96, and by finishing no lower than second place for five straight seasons while the Mets were pelting themselves and other living things with bleach, cum, live firecrackers and golf clubs. No. That couldn't have been it. It was the hats. Typical Wilpon Mets. Why bother to fix the team when instead, they can market it by selling the fans a phony bill of goods about how black is one of the Mets official colors according to the newfound dubious revisionist history? And don't forget to remind the fan base every seven minutes that Rey Ordonez is the Babe Ruth of fielding. Did you know that Babe Ruth wore a dark cap?

If Paul Lukas is reading this thread, maybe he can redial Bob Halfacre and see if Bob can recreate, from memory, the proposed design concept that would've been a complete overhaul to the Mets uniform. I'd like to see what monstrosity it was that Halfacre's sound intervention spared us from.

[Fman99]

Here it is...

[Centerfield]

I don't mind the black.

(ducks)

In fact, if I had to eliminate one uniform, it would be the pinstripes.

(ducks again)

The blue hat was, by far, my favorite. But ever since the orange dot, I feel like it's ruined. So my hat of choice lately has been this Spring Training hat:


Of course, if the orange dot were to disappear, I'd go back to blue in a heartbeat.

So, when I buy a controlling interest in the Mets it will be:

Snow whites at home, blue hat (no orange dot)
Road Greys with Old English NY, blue hat (no orange dot)

This would be for 80% or more of the games.

I'd be ok with the black uniforms or some other alternate jersey once in a while. In fact, I think a solid blue jersey could be cool if done right.

All uniforms would say "Mets" at home and "New York" on the road. In fact, I would lobby to turn this into a law.

[Guest themetfairy]

I agree wholeheartedly with Death To The Orange Dot!

And I like the black unis. So there! Not every day (except during winning streaks), but as part of the mix.

[soupcan]

Note to self: don't let CF beat me in a bidding war for majority ownership of the Mets.

When I'm running things, this will be the deal:

Home: pinstripes (no black drop shadow. 'City of Shadows' be damned), blue hats. I'm okay with the dot, but if getting rid of it will appease my friend, then - begone dot!

Road: road grey, 'New York' across the chest, no friggin' shadow. Black hats with the blue brim.

No other black anywhere on any uniform.

If the public is absolutely clamoring for an 'alternate' uniform then the bone I will throw them will be the snow whites (again, no drop shadow) and that they will wear on Sunday home games with either the blue hats, or the black/blue road hats. I'll let my honest equipment manager decide that.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Soupcan has my vote.

[G-Fafif]

I adore the dot. When it was introduced, I was surprised we didn't have it for 35 years. Made all the sense in the world.

They could have stopped there with the innovations.

Perhaps they could go with a wider NY and a navy cap if they're worried about how their sales stack up to other teams'.

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

Fman99 wrote: I've said this many times. The road jersey should have the name of the city; the home jersey the name of the team.

I agree 100%. It should hold true for all teams. I'd make it a rule for all teams if I had the power to do so.

[Guest The Second Spitter]

Yet some O's fans are repulsed by the idea of having the name of their city on their jersey.

As for the black debate - it's funny enough, at my former Mets cyber-home the black jerseys were accepted and loved, and I more or less shared this view.

Then the topic came up in a conversation with Gwreck (iirc on the 1st occasion I attend a game with him) and he made a very logical argument which led me to despise them. However, the black is now ingrained in Mets folklore (Grand Slam Single, etc), so I guess we should preach tolerance?

(But i'd still love for the return of the royal alternate - sans silver lettering).

[Guest Edgy DC]

Tolerance? Sure. But tolerance of the accoutrements of the past doesn't mean advocating for the the perpetuation of them.

A lot of wonderful tand memorable things happened to the Mets while they wore racing stripes down their sides. Nobody's calling for them to be brought back.

[metsmarathon]

i miss the racing stripes...

[Guest Edgy DC]

Did you feel that?

[MFS62]

Fman99 wrote: I've said this many times. The road jersey should have the name of the city; the home jersey the name of the team.

I agree with two exceptions.
The teams that deserted us for California should be required to have their city names on both their home and away uniforms.
Those team names "belong" here.

Later

[HahnSolo]

Never, ever been a fan of the black, even the trim. But I also never quite got all the hatred for the orange dot.

[Guest Vince Coleman Firecracker]

When I own the team:

Pinstripes at home, no drop shadow. Blue hats with or without orange dot.

Grey "New York" on the road, no drop shadow. Same hats as home.

Blue stirrups and undershirts both home and away. (Better yet, these stirrups, with orange stripes.)

Alternates can switch from year to year between the snow whites with no black and a button-down version of the racing stripes uni.

And put the "NY" back on the skyline logo.