IGT 4/17/10 - Johan Begins The Turnaround

[Guest OlerudOwned]

On 7/4/85, I was about a year and a half away from being born.[/quote:1rhohe1e]

Jeez Vlad, you're championshipless.[/quote:1rhohe1e]
It's not fun.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Exactly, which is the umpteenth reason why sitting on your closer in extra innings is counterproductive.

Thiink of it as a hourglass. As you approach the ninth, you should move from the lesser-effectiveness/greater-innings pitchers toward the greater-effectiveness/lesser-innings pitchers. From the ninth onward, you move in the opposite direction.

This should be an article of faith with managers.[/quote:10tg0yyk]

In-fucking-deedy.

If you play the Frankie card instead of Takahashi, then you've got Hisa-- a rubber-armed starter candidate this spring-- to go for four or five, if need be.

[Valadius]

On 7/4/85, I was about a year and a half away from being born.[/quote:2gpa0o5t]

Jeez Vlad, you're championshipless.[/quote:2gpa0o5t]
Yup. Which is partly why YLDBs piss me off so damn much. I mean technically I was in utero, but that doesn't count.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I hope you get one soon, Valadius. I was 23 when the Mets won in 1986, and since then I've had an inner peace about my fanhood (if that's a word.) I knew I'd never end up like one of those 80-year-old Cubs or Red Sox fans who had never seen their team win a World Series and knew that their time was running out.

[Guest Edgy DC]

In-fucking-deedy. If you play the Frankie card instead of Takahashi, then you've got Hisa-- a rubber-armed starter candidate this spring-- to go for four or five, if need be.

Which Davey Johnson did on 7/4/85 when he had Tom Gorman go six innings.

[Benjamin Grimm]

LaRussa twice sent up relief pitchers to bat with two out and the bases loaded while he still had a position player on the bench, and despite that he ended up running out of pitchers before Jerry did and therefore had to get three innings from position players.

Jerry certainly should have gone to Frankie Rodriguez earlier (that was my peeve from the other 10-inning loss from the previous week) and he's by no means the smart guy I want managing the team. But I do think he outmanaged the guy who is considered a genius. (And that doesn't mean that Jerry's a genius; it means that LaRussa very much isn't.)

[Guest holychicken]

This whole withholding the closer thing until a save situation really bothers. But I can kind of understand that as you need to keep players happy and a closer is probably going to make more money and be happier if he is getting a whole bunch of saves.

What REALLY pisses me off is the emerging "8th inning guy." Now, instead of not being able to use your best relief pitcher whenever you want, you can use your TWO best relief pitchers whenever you want. When is some manager going to give the league the big FU and start using relief pitchers intelligently? Or is it only going to get worse?

[MFS62]

In-fucking-deedy. If you play the Frankie card instead of Takahashi, then you've got Hisa-- a rubber-armed starter candidate this spring-- to go for four or five, if need be.

Which Davey Johnson did on 7/4/85 when he had Tom Gorman go six innings.

[Chad ochoseis]

So where were you on 7/4/85?[/quote:33ziosyo]

Hell if I know. But on 4/17/10 I was up at my hiking club's lodge without TV, radio, or internet access, so all I knew about the game was a voicemail I got at 11 last night from an Indians fan friend of mine saying that the Mets and Cardinals were ruining his evening. Also the final score, which I picked up while listening to the radio on the ride home this afternoon. So I read the IGT cover to cover to get up to speed. Thanks, all.

The Elias Sports Bureau is stating that 26 pages is the record for an IGT.

I want 'em to play until Tuesday so they preempt American Idol.[/quote:33ziosyo]

Bullet. Of. Cool.

[Gwreck]

The Elias Sports Bureau is stating that 26 pages is the record for an IGT.[/quote:iacptlto]

This thread is still several pages short of NLCS Game 7 from a few years ago.

[MFS62]

The Elias Sports Bureau is stating that 26 pages is the record for an IGT.[/quote:2btbowpr]

This thread is still several pages short of NLCS Game 7 from a few years ago.[/quote:2btbowpr]
Someone keeps track of such things?
Maybe we should hold a telethon to get more posts in this thread. I always wanted to be part of breaking a record.

Later

[seawolf17]

I spent the 10th inning throwing up, trying to recover from a crazy work-induced migraine; followed the game on and off on my phone after that, lying in bed.

But I enjoyed recapping it tonight; nice work, everyone.

[bmfc1]

Posnanski destroys LaRussa for "a masterpiece of overmanaging" :

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/joe_posnanski/04/19/tony.larussa/index.html?eref=sihp

[Guest Edgy DC]

Yeah - let's fuck Pelf up instead of letting our all-star closer pitch a second inning.

What?[/quote:2112zl40]
What do you say? Let's "fuck Pelf up" between all his starts.

[Fman99]

Wrong thread, whoops.

[soupcan]

Yeah - let's fuck Pelf up instead of letting our all-star closer pitch a second inning.

What?

[Guest Edgy DC]

I think you paid off the ref.

[metirish]

Posnanski destroys LaRussa for "a masterpiece of overmanaging" :

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/joe_posnanski/04/19/tony.larussa/index.html?eref=sihp[/quote:fj7xqn5u]


Great read, nice roundup of what LaRussa did.

[Centerfield]

I tuned in late and saw Kyle Lohse in LF and thought "LaRussa ran out of pitchers".

Then I saw Mather on the mound and realized that he had a pitcher fielding and a fielder pitching.


Brilliant!

[A Boy Named Seo]

Was moving on Saturday and had the game on the radio on my phone all day, and I think it hit the 10th by the time I got back to the old apartment to start the clean-up. Great to have this game on the whole damn miserable moving day and even better it ended in a 'W'.

Just read this thread start-to-finish. Some real gems in here. Helluva IGT, peeps.

[metirish]

Probably the most fun filled IGT since Willie got canned.