Beltran Out "8 to 12 weeks"

[ashie62]

Meet the new season. Same as the old season.


Dammit.[/quote:3ivufm3p]


And we will get fooled again

[Guest Edgy DC]

Hey-- Bay used to play CF!

With the slow trickle of Haiti news, today's already been bruising. This is just the fucking cherry.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Didn't mean to equate the two... apologies for any accidental intimation.

It's just stinky. And it seems like it's likely to get stinkier, both prognosis-wise and-- potentially-- in ways that involve lawyers.

OE: As Sherman writesin greater detailat night's end.

The Mets apparently knew of the diagnosis/planned remedy, but disagreed.

Edited January 13, 2010 by Guest

[nymr83]

where was Francessa on this??? clearly the surgery was conducted without the Mets' knowledge or Omar would have clued Fatso in on Monday.

[batmagadanleadoff]

It's just stinky. And it seems like it's likely to get stinkier ... prognosis-wise....[/quote:d3dj2f5e]

Over the years, I've developed my own personal and very informal and unscientific method for determining when a baseball player will return from an injury. I don't always get it right, but I think that more often than not, my method has been more accurate than the official PR. My method is simple: I assume that the player's recovery time will be 75% longer than whatever the team announces. So if the Mets say that Beltran will be back in 12 weeks, I assume 21 weeks -- or at about the end of June.

[MFS62]

I'll try to spread some sunshine. I look at this as a great opportunity to see what Fernando Martinez can do. I'm thinking that he won't have to face many lefty pitchers with the rest of the lineup mostly right handed or switch hitters. Pagan would be an ok platoon against the occasional lefties they would have to face.


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[Guest Edgy DC]

Pagan is certainly first in line.

[duan]

"J. Richard Steadman, M.D. is a specialist knee surgeon, practising in Vail, Colorado and a Clinical Professor at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center in Dallas, Texas. He is best known medically for his work in the area of Microfracture surgery, and publicly for treating injured sports stars from around the world."[/quote:24epucdt]
i'm pretty sure this dude has dealt with quite a few footballers knee ligaments over the last few years. From memory Alan Shearer went to Colorado for his knees.

[duan]

"* Association Football - Giles Barnes, Craig Bellamy, Patrik Berger, Jimmy Bullard, Mark Delaney, Scott Dobie, Ian Durrant, Ricardo Gardner, Owen Hargreaves, Park Ji-Sung, Roy Keane, John Kennedy, Henrik Larsson, Martin Laursen, Joleon Lescott, Lothar Matth�us, Ruud van Nistelrooy, Michael Owen, Alessandro Del Piero, Linvoy Primus, Peter Ramage, Jamie Redknapp, Steven Reid, Ronaldo, Richard Rufus, Alan Shearer, James Vaughan, Lee Wilkie, Mark Wilson"

loads of these guys have made very full recoveries.

Knee injuries to footballers were like elbows to pitchers before tommy john surgery.

[metirish]

There's no doubt that Steadman is brilliant , I guess a rift may occur between Beltran and the Mets as they were not consulted on the surgery.

[RealityChuck]

The Mets may be pissed, but there's no way in hell their going to void his contract. They'll make noises, but will probably just let it slide. If they do anything at all, they may dock his salary (assuming they can).

[Fman99]

Fuck.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Just to be a hater, seven-year contracts are just stoopit things to give out. And for fux sakes, we had a 30-home run centerfielder with a good glove when we went and got this mole-eared freak.

[Centerfield]

I think the biggest story here is not that Beltran will be out 8-12 weeks, but whether he will then be ok afterwards, or if this is all just a senseless waste of time before he will ultimately need microfracture surgery.

[soupcan]

This:

OK, so Beltran's out till May. BFD.[/quote:f7pwhzqz]

This:

With all the bitching that's goes on about the Mets doctors ' date=' real or imagined I have no problem with Beltran using his own doctor.[/quote:f7pwhzqz']

And this:

I think the biggest story here is not that Beltran will be out 8-12 weeks' date=' but whether he will then be ok afterwards, or if this is all just a senseless waste of time before he will ultimately need microfracture surgery[/quote:f7pwhzqz'].

[Benjamin Grimm]

Okay, so the fourth outfielder, Pagan, ascends to the starting three, most likely.

That leaves two outfield roster spots to be filled for the Opening Day roster.

Are they going to sign somebody? Who? Might Fernando make the roster? Or would he be better off playing every day in Buffalo?

[Guest Edgy DC]

I'm sure if he makes the roster, they'll find reps for him. Right now, the fourth and fifth outfielders would be him and Carter.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I think it would definitely make Endy more attractive to them but maybe the real upshot is they make a harder run at Brandon Phillips.

You know, maybe this deserves its own thread but understanding that $6 mills is a lot to pay for one, Luis Castillo wouldn't be all that bad a type of guy to have on the bench. He knows how to reach base, he switch hits and he can run and let's not overlook how erect Jerry might be at the pros[pect of a guy whom he could count on to pinch-bunt. Only drawbacks are his salary and expectations, and a limited defensive profile.

[Frayed Knot]

It's stuff like this that adds credence to my theory that the whole mantra about 'playing in NYC being so much tougher than anywhere else' is vastly overblown at the least.
Of the eight remaining cities with football teams still in the running do you suppose any of them, other than the Jets, got shoved off the back pages and away from the main topic on sports talk radio today?

[metirish]

I like Endy plenty but I have bad memories of him sucking with the bat big time, IIRC he was horrible.......I could be wrong though.

[Frayed Knot]

Not having read every paper and internet site so far, is anyone, aside from Ashie, even mentioning drastic stuff like voiding the deal?

from the NYPost (Sherman & Puma):

This [sort of disagreement] is not a unique occurrence. Players and teams have disputes about the proper course of medical action all the time, and the two sides usually come to some kind of understanding without an attempt at legal actions or fines. And the likelihood is that there is not much the Mets could do for two reasons, a person who has worked on these kinds of issues said:
1. The Mets were not in the dark on any of this. According to a friend of Beltran, Beltran was under Altchek's care from October through December. It was only in December when he could not perform that Beltran went to see Steadman. And the friend said that Mets doctors and trainers were kept abreast of the diagnosis in Colorado, even if the Mets did not agree with the remedy.
2. Steadman is a reputable surgeon who has been involved for a long time in doing procedures on athletes across the sports spectrum. The Mets, according to one official, might have a greater case for a grievance if Beltran had gone to another country and/or to a less reputable doctor.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Well, yeah, but you're not citing the reports from UltimateFanta$yTipsheet.com.

Stop drinking the Kool-Aid!

[Guest attgig]

Beltran followed Altchek's diagnosis and recommendations since he got hurt and it was not working. he was going to go into a season where he would have to try to manage pain all year.

I don't blame the dude for finding his own guy. makes no sense for him to keep on listening to some quack who hasn't made him feel better after 6+ months.

[Guest Edgy DC]

The inability to cure a degenerative knee doesn't = quack.

Is perspective just desperately passe this offseason?

[smg58]

Randy Winn looks like a good buy-low candidate, assuming he's healthy (which of course, is always the issue no matter who the Mets get).

I do think it looks as though Beltran doesn't trust the Mets' doctors. I guess it remains to be seen if that's good or bad.

[Guest sharpie]

If his knee was going to act up isn't it better that he takes care of it now rather than, say, June. Yes, would've been better in November but missing the first month of the season, assuming that is all it is, isn't that big a deal.

[metirish]

From the NY Times

But they did not hesitate to make their dissatisfaction known privately. High-ranking Mets officials contacted the commissioner�s office after they learned of the surgery, according to a person in baseball briefed on the matter. The Mets officials told the commissioner�s office that they were angry that Beltran had the surgery without their approval, the person said. The Mets wanted legal advice from the commissioner�s office regarding whether they could penalize Beltran for having the surgery without their approval.

A part of me sees this all ending nastily, what happens if Beltran has further issues with the knee , what will the Mets do?

Twill be interesting to say the least.

[Guest Edgy DC]

The Mets will likely move on. The rafters will shake on WFAN and back pages will burn in the Post, while they hurt themselves laughing in the News. In the end, the dogs will bark, but the caravan will pass.

Guy hurt his knee and it's hard to heal. Happens every day.

[Guest themetfairy]

If his knee was going to act up isn't it better that he takes care of it now rather than, say, June. Yes, would've been better in November but missing the first month of the season, assuming that is all it is, isn't that big a deal.[/quote:2b1ifkvr]

You're definitely a glass-is-half-full kind of guy....

[Ceetar]

This is much less of a 'disaster' as it was orginally made out to be.

The only issue is if this 'cures' him or if he'll ultimately need that microfracture surgery which if i recall means a long long recovery and possibly career ending anyway?

He told Kevin Burkhardt in Nov that he had no pain. So it's not like doctor's have been just ignoring the issue. It sounds like the Mets/Beltran disconnect came from lack of decisiveness on actually getting the scope done immediately. Sounds like Beltran just wanted to hedge his bets, play it safe, have the surgery and not risk missing more time by waiting. Prognosis is still vague, 8-12 weeks could mean 8 weeks and rehabs most of spring and is healthy 4/5. or it could mean 12 weeks, extended spring training and not back until May. I imagine it depends how he feels in March. Obviously, we're all worried this could end up being a longer recovery time than reported. Let's hope not.

Pagan for a month is not a big deal. Maybe Martinez lights it up and spring and is a pleasant surprise. Maybe Pelfrey Maine and Perez get off to hot starts and offense isn't as big an issue.

It's no surprise he went to that doctor. He's "the best", and he's affiliated with Boras. No one criticized the Yankees for A-Rod going there, which was likely at Boras' suggestion as well. You go to the best, even if that's not your own team doctor. It sounds like the Mets doctor did give his approval of the surgery option, even if it wasn't the team's first choice. It just sounds like he went off and did it after that without telling them he was going to.