Met Trivia Question

[batmagadanleadoff]

Hint #21. This wouldn't necessarily be the best hint I've provided, but a clue to the theme of this trivia question does appear in the cover of the 1993 Met yearbook.



So, once again -- What did the following Mets -and no other Mets- do three times (as Mets):

Ed Kranepool, Jerry Koosman, Bud Harrelson, Jerry Grote, Wayne Garrett, Rusty Staub, Cleon Jones and Tom Seaver, depending on how the answer is phrased?

(Plus Berra, Pignatano, Yost and Walker, counting managers/coaches. But then, Harrelson did it four times instead of three.)

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Wear 3 different style/makes of Mets unis?

[batmagadanleadoff]

="John Cougar Lunchbucket":ct5jqyqq]Wear 3 different style/makes of Mets unis?[/quote:ct5jqyqq] You'd have to define styles, but it's not the answer. Any Met who played through most of the 90's (Franco, Hundley) wore more than four different uni styles.

Fman99 Mar 31 2009 11:45 AM

In as respectful a voice as possible, I'd like to indicate that I no longer care what the answer and think you're just a sadist for dragging this on for so many pages. It's like watching a horse with a broken leg limp down the home stretch. Just send this thread to the glue factory please.

batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 11:52 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 31 2009 12:03 PM

="Fman99":14t2ivit]In as respectful a voice as possible, I'd like to indicate that I no longer care what the answer and think you're just a sadist for dragging this on for so many pages.[/quote:14t2ivit] If you thought I was a sadist before I wrote this post, you're gonna think even worse when I tell you that I figured this question would drag on all Summer. Actually, I think the answer, surrounded by all the clues, is obvious. You'll see when I post the answer, but I'm surprised no one's gotten it yet. (Though, I didn't expect anybody to get it without any clues). Are trivia stumpers really sadists? I think that's harsh. Ouch! John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 31 2009 11:55 AM I will say all the clues out there just made it more convoluted for me. I woulda made more gusses without all of them gumming up my brain. Benjamin Grimm Mar 31 2009 12:10 PM I think it may be time to flip the cards. OlerudOwned Mar 31 2009 12:10 PM Play during an anniversary season? Fuck if I know? Edgy DC Mar 31 2009 12:20 PM Cash checks from three different ownership groups? batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 12:31 PM [u:2z8yrec9]Hint # Last[/u:2z8yrec9]. Sigh. batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 12:35 PM ="Edgy DC":2jou5jz3]Cash checks from three different ownership groups?[/quote:2jou5jz3] That's interesting. The Payson Group. The De Roulets. Doubleday. Then Wilpon. Would you have a fifth group for the period when Doubleday and Wilpon were equal 50% owners? It wouldn't work, though. Stearns, for example, was a Met under all four groups; Cleon - just Payson. Edgy DC Mar 31 2009 12:43 PM I tried. Yeah, I count five different ownership entities under four different controlling partners --- Payson - DeRoulet/Payson - Doubleday, Inc. - Doubleday/Wilpon - Wilpon. It was as guess, and I thought maybe possibly right depending on how toruturously you defined things. Zvon Mar 31 2009 02:27 PM Sorry I didn't see this earlier. Don't give away the answer! I'm keen to guess! metsmarathon Mar 31 2009 03:24 PM played under the reign of different official METS logos...? SteveJRogers Mar 31 2009 03:40 PM FOR THE LOVE OF GOD JUST GIVE THE DAMN ANSWER! batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 04:29 PM Okay ... this is the last batch of hints and comments I'll make. Sometime tomorrow, I'll post the answer. ="Edgy DC":2h2aw5er]Cash checks from three different ownership groups?[/quote:2h2aw5er] I liked this guess, even though it was incorrect. The answer to this question is much more obvious and accessible. ="Met Hunter":2h2aw5er]I think it has something to do with being on a LCS team or winner.[/quote:2h2aw5er] I also liked Met Hunter's guess, even though the answer has nothing to do with being on an LCS team or on a winner and even though MH's answer wasn't even an answer, but a request for another hint. But I think that Met Hunter's approach to answering the question might have been the best one, even if I'm guessing here, myself. I guess that I don't really know what MH's reasons or methods were for answering the question the way he did. But I liked his comment. If you phrase the answer so as to include Tom Seaver as one of the Mets that did this three times, then by that same phrasing, Jim Palmer did this six times with the Orioles, and the trio of Glavine, Smoltz and Maddux each did it six times as a Brave. I'm still trying to figure out whether there's any consolation in being called a sadist respectfully, as opposed to the regular way. Met Hunter Mar 31 2009 04:42 PM There are a few reasons why I'm thinking this way. First of all, you mention the 69 coaches, so an on field feat is out. Then you mentioned that a Met could only do this four times. Like the 4 Met pennants. Buddy being the coach on one of them. But since no Met could do all four that was out. Maybe a playoff appearance? There were no LCSs in Babe Ruth's day. Belanger was in 6 LCSs with Balto. But then Ojeda never did it. So that's out. Dwight Bernard was a short timer, but he played when Milwaukee was a playoff team. Hmmm. Every guess, every lead, has a hole. I was hoping it isn't something dopey like being on the cover of a yearbook. G-Fafif Mar 31 2009 04:51 PM Played with/coached a Hall of Famer? With/for a Hall of Famer in the World Series? Wayne Garrett had three Hall of Famers in that regard: Seaver, Mays, Ryan (if we're not counting managers). Harrelson would have those guys plus Carter, when he coached, making it four. I haven't value-tested every guy (why not Tug...because he didn't pitch in '69 WS, perhaps), so maybe not, but Dwight Bernard played in a WS with Molitor and Yount, so...I have no idea. batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 04:57 PM ="G-Fafif":3bt9357t]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:3bt9357t] No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers. Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider). batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 04:59 PM ="G-Fafif":l26i4i4l]Played with/coached a Hall of Famer? With/for a Hall of Famer in the World Series? Wayne Garrett had three Hall of Famers in that regard: Seaver, Mays, Ryan (if we're not counting managers). Harrelson would have those guys plus Carter, when he coached, making it four. I haven't value-tested every guy (why not Tug...because he didn't pitch in '69 WS, perhaps), so maybe not, but Dwight Bernard played in a WS with Molitor and Yount, so...I have no idea.[/quote:l26i4i4l] Did you just add this stuff? Anyway, it's got nothing to do with HOF'ers. And remember -- Babe Ruth never did it. G-Fafif Mar 31 2009 05:01 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":1wu9ddve] ="G-Fafif":1wu9ddve]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:1wu9ddve] No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers. Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider).[/quote:1wu9ddve] Yeah, that occurred to me after. But Spahn, Berra, Snider did not play in WS as Mets. Only Mets HoFers to play in WS as Mets were Nolan, Willie, Tom and Gary; Yogi coached and managed in WS. I don't know that Schmidt played with six HoFers in WS (Carlton, Perez, Morgan...eph the Phils). batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 05:07 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":3qmgs4ht] ="G-Fafif":3qmgs4ht]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:3qmgs4ht] No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers. Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider).[/quote:3qmgs4ht] Kranepool played with those three, plus Ryan, Seaver and Mays -- six HOFers in all, not including HOF managers and coaches (Hornsby, Stengel) batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 05:09 PM ="G-Fafif":3fpqzwke] ="batmagadanleadoff":3fpqzwke] ="G-Fafif":3fpqzwke]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:3fpqzwke] No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers. Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider).[/quote:3fpqzwke] Yeah, that occurred to me after. But Spahn, Berra, Snider did not play in WS as Mets. Only Mets HoFers to play in WS as Mets were Nolan, Willie, Tom and Gary; Yogi coached and managed in WS. I don't know that Schmidt played with six HoFers in WS (Carlton, Perez, Morgan...eph the Phils).[/quote:3fpqzwke] I see. We're playing leapfrog with our posts. Well, it doesn't have anything to do with HOFers, no matter how you slice it. SteveJRogers Mar 31 2009 05:10 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 31 2009 05:12 PM I'm fixated on Buddy's Gold Glove image. Does it have something to do with Met award winners? Huh, or maybe All Star Game Starts... AH HA... All Star Game selections made by someone other than fan voting perhaps? batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 05:12 PM ="SteveJRogers"]I'm fixated on Buddy's Gold Glove image. Does it have something to do with Met award winners? Hey! This isn't What's My Line? G-Fafif Mar 31 2009 05:14 PM SteveJRogers Mar 31 2009 05:16 PM Be in uniform for Opening Day proper (Game 1 of 162) at Shea Stadium? That doesn't make much sense now that I think of it... Didn't it use to alternate until like the last few years the Mets have opened on the road for whatever reason? MFS62 Mar 31 2009 05:24 PM How about that all participated in a game that opened a new staduim? Later Edgy DC Mar 31 2009 05:24 PM These guys, at least three times, have attended the funeral of a Met Hall of Famer. Dead Mets Hall of Famers: Tommie Agee Gil Hodges Tug McGraw Bob Murphy Johnny Murphy Lindsey Nelson Joan Whitney Payson Bill Shea Casey Stengel George Weiss OlerudOwned Mar 31 2009 11:24 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":3ces6an7] ="G-Fafif":3ces6an7]Played with/coached a Hall of Famer? With/for a Hall of Famer in the World Series? Wayne Garrett had three Hall of Famers in that regard: Seaver, Mays, Ryan (if we're not counting managers). Harrelson would have those guys plus Carter, when he coached, making it four. I haven't value-tested every guy (why not Tug...because he didn't pitch in '69 WS, perhaps), so maybe not, but Dwight Bernard played in a WS with Molitor and Yount, so...I have no idea.[/quote:3ces6an7] Did you just add this stuff? Anyway, it's got nothing to do with HOF'ers. And remember -- Babe Ruth never did it.[/quote:3ces6an7] Touched their own toes. TheOldMole Apr 01 2009 06:28 AM Can we give up? Benjamin Grimm Apr 01 2009 07:08 AM We're trying. MFS62 Apr 01 2009 07:13 AM Is it a coincidence that he said he would reveal the answer today? April Fools Day? What if there is no answer? Pitchfiorks and torches. Who's with me? Later seawolf17 Apr 01 2009 07:19 AM I don't mean this in a bad way, but if a trivia question takes sixteen hints and ninety posts without anyone sniffing an answer, I think it's a bit of trivia that would get you fired from the "Jeopardy" clue crew. batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 07:23 AM Alright already. I'll post the answer in about 20 minutes. I would've really liked for someone to have solved the question. Reallly. I didn't set out to be a stumper. Or a sadist. The answer's so easy that when I post it, I guarantee that everyone on this forum will be able to confirm the accuracy of the answer mentally, without having to reference any printed source. metirish Apr 01 2009 07:27 AM Oh just give us the fucking answer for fucks sake , it can only be a disapointment at this stage. MFS62 Apr 01 2009 07:34 AM Come on already. I'm putting curare on my pitchfork. Later batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 07:42 AM What do the following Mets -and no other Mets- have in common: Ed Kranepool, Jerry Koosman, Bud Harrelson, Jerry Grote, Wayne Garrett and Rusty Staub? Hint #5 - Whatever it is that these Mets have in common (Ed Kranepool, Jerry Koosman, Bud Harrelson, Jerry Grote, Wayne Garrett, Rusty Staub and depending on how the answer is phrased - Tom Seaver), they did it three times. Hint #6 - Actually, Bud Harrelson did it four times; thrice as a player and once as a manager/coach. But for the purpose of this question, I only counted the three times Bud did it as a player. The answer is ����. They all played for the Mets in a season --three times-- in which one of their teammates won the Cy Young Award. (Hint #13. Bud Harrelson did it four times. This is the maximum possible number of times that any Met could have accomplished this whatever you wanna call it.) Bud Harrelson did it four times. He played for the Mets for all three of Seaver�s Cy�s, and was a coach for the Mets in �85, the year that Gooden won his Cy Young award. Seaver, of course, can�t be his own teammate, so the answer would have to be re-phrased to work around the word �teammate� in order to include him: something like �these Mets played for the Mets in seasons when a Met won that year�s Cy Young award. ="Edgy DC"]Rusty Staub is the key here, as he is the only non-'69er. This is as good a time as any to segue into hint #7. Hint #7. Rusty's path to this "accomplishment" ("accomplishment" for lack of a better term) was slightly different than that off all the other Mets in the question. All but Rusty were teammates of Seaver in each of the three years when Seaver won the award (�69, �73 and �75). Staub missed Seaver�s first Cy but came back for a second stint with the team in the 80�s and was Gooden�s teammate for Doc�s Cy campaign in �85, Staub�s last season as a major leaguer. Hint # Last. Sigh. Sigh Young. Hint #8. Earlier, I wrote that Cleon Jones just missed making the list. Cleon's omission from the list is a technicality based on the way I chose to phrase the answer, more than anything else. I could rephrase the answer so as to include Cleon Jones. The inclusion of Cleon would then leave about a dozen or so Mets who "accomplished" this bit of trivia twice. Of those dozen or so, the Mets that came the closest to making the list (Kranepool, Koosman, Harrelson, Grote, Garrett, Staub - Seaver & Jones depending on how the answer is phrased) without actually making it are, in no particular order, Ken Boswell, Tug McGraw and Duffy Dyer. Hint #9. Under the narrower Jonesless version of this trivia question, Cleon misses the cut by a few months. Cleon was a Met in �69, �73 and �75, so he�s part of the answer. In my original answer, I excluded Cleon because he wasn�t on the Mets for the entire �75 season. I thought that by including partial seasons, the answer would include too many Mets, and the question would be too confusing. Really. But as it turned out, Cleon was the only Met affected by allowing partial seasons. Boswell, McGraw and Dyer were Mets for Seaver�s first two awards; their careers as Mets concluded at the end of the �74 season. Hint #10. As I said, Bud Harrelson did this four times as a Met, if you include his roster stints as coach and/or manager. Including all Met managerial and coaching stints, add Yogi Berra, Rube Walker, Joe Pignatano and Eddie Yost as Mets who did this three times. All four were in Mets uniforms for each of Seaver�s three Cy Young awards. ="batmagadanleadoff"] Hint #16. Yogi did it four times as a Yankee. Hint #17. For most of Yogi's Yankee days, this was twice as hard to do as it is now, if not outright impossible. Hint #18. Babe Ruth never did it. So -- George Thomas 3, George Herman 0. Did anyone ever notice how the greatest Met and Yankee are both named George, and how they were both commonly referred to as something other than George? Yogi played for the Yankees in 1958 when Bob Turley won the Cy Young award and in 1961, when Whitey Ford won the award. He coached the Yankees in 1977 when Sparky Lyle won the award and the following season, when Ron Guidry won it. The award didn�t exist prior to 1956, and between 1956 and 1966, only one award was given, instead of the two that are now awarded, -- one for each league. Hint #20. Dwight Bernard did it twice in his career; never as a N.Y. Met. Bernard�s MLB career consisted of two seasons with the Mets (�79 and �80) and then the following two seasons with the Brewers as teammates of Cy Young award winners Rollie Fingers (�81) and Pete Vuckovich (�82). Hint #19. Tommy Davis did it seven times in his career; never as a N.Y. Met. Tommy Davis was a teammate of the following Cy Young award winners in the same seasons that the pitchers won the award: Don Drysdale (�62) Sandy Koufax (�63, �65, �66) Vida Blue (�71) Jim Palmer (73, �75) MFS62 Apr 01 2009 07:50 AM Well played. Good question. Helpful clues. I'd still advise you to have someone else open your packages and start your car for you for a while. Later Zvon Apr 01 2009 12:03 PM ="batmagadanleadoff"]Hint # Last. Sigh. Sigh Young. batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 12:10 PM ="Zvon"] ="batmagadanleadoff"]Hint # Last. Sigh. Sigh Young. Welcome back, man! G-Fafif Apr 01 2009 12:44 PM The answer was kind of, sort of waiting to be divined. A couple of more weeks and I feel I would have caught on. Edgy DC Apr 01 2009 12:48 PM Agreed. Definitely by the All Star Break. batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 03:02 PM If you guys weren't so impatient, my next hint would've been: Ironically, Cy Young never did this. Edgy DC May 07 2009 02:37 PM Tom Seaver Nolan Ryan Dennis Eckersley Rich Gossage Swan Swan H May 07 2009 03:14 PM WAG - Four pitchers who got a win and a save in an All-Star game. Edgy DC May 07 2009 05:25 PM I'm pretty sure this is an exclusive club (though I suspect there might be one more out there). I know that Bruce Sutter has also both won and saved an All Star game. You'd also think Sutter would be part of this list for the reasons I'm looking for, but he's not. batmagadanleadoff May 07 2009 05:28 PM Is this a trivia question? And if so, is there a Met theme (thread title)?

[Fman99]

In as respectful a voice as possible, I'd like to indicate that I no longer care what the answer and think you're just a sadist for dragging this on for so many pages.

It's like watching a horse with a broken leg limp down the home stretch. Just send this thread to the glue factory please.

[batmagadanleadoff]

="Fman99":14t2ivit]In as respectful a voice as possible, I'd like to indicate that I no longer care what the answer and think you're just a sadist for dragging this on for so many pages.[/quote:14t2ivit] If you thought I was a sadist before I wrote this post, you're gonna think even worse when I tell you that I figured this question would drag on all Summer. Actually, I think the answer, surrounded by all the clues, is obvious. You'll see when I post the answer, but I'm surprised no one's gotten it yet. (Though, I didn't expect anybody to get it without any clues). Are trivia stumpers really sadists? I think that's harsh. Ouch!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 31 2009 11:55 AM

I will say all the clues out there just made it more convoluted for me. I woulda made more gusses without all of them gumming up my brain.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 31 2009 12:10 PM

I think it may be time to flip the cards.

OlerudOwned Mar 31 2009 12:10 PM

Play during an anniversary season? Fuck if I know?

Edgy DC Mar 31 2009 12:20 PM

Cash checks from three different ownership groups?

batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 12:31 PM

[u:2z8yrec9]Hint # Last[/u:2z8yrec9]. Sigh.

batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 12:35 PM

="Edgy DC":2jou5jz3]Cash checks from three different ownership groups?[/quote:2jou5jz3] That's interesting. The Payson Group. The De Roulets. Doubleday. Then Wilpon. Would you have a fifth group for the period when Doubleday and Wilpon were equal 50% owners? It wouldn't work, though. Stearns, for example, was a Met under all four groups; Cleon - just Payson. Edgy DC Mar 31 2009 12:43 PM I tried. Yeah, I count five different ownership entities under four different controlling partners --- Payson - DeRoulet/Payson - Doubleday, Inc. - Doubleday/Wilpon - Wilpon. It was as guess, and I thought maybe possibly right depending on how toruturously you defined things. Zvon Mar 31 2009 02:27 PM Sorry I didn't see this earlier. Don't give away the answer! I'm keen to guess! metsmarathon Mar 31 2009 03:24 PM played under the reign of different official METS logos...? SteveJRogers Mar 31 2009 03:40 PM FOR THE LOVE OF GOD JUST GIVE THE DAMN ANSWER! batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 04:29 PM Okay ... this is the last batch of hints and comments I'll make. Sometime tomorrow, I'll post the answer. ="Edgy DC":2h2aw5er]Cash checks from three different ownership groups?[/quote:2h2aw5er] I liked this guess, even though it was incorrect. The answer to this question is much more obvious and accessible. ="Met Hunter":2h2aw5er]I think it has something to do with being on a LCS team or winner.[/quote:2h2aw5er] I also liked Met Hunter's guess, even though the answer has nothing to do with being on an LCS team or on a winner and even though MH's answer wasn't even an answer, but a request for another hint. But I think that Met Hunter's approach to answering the question might have been the best one, even if I'm guessing here, myself. I guess that I don't really know what MH's reasons or methods were for answering the question the way he did. But I liked his comment. If you phrase the answer so as to include Tom Seaver as one of the Mets that did this three times, then by that same phrasing, Jim Palmer did this six times with the Orioles, and the trio of Glavine, Smoltz and Maddux each did it six times as a Brave. I'm still trying to figure out whether there's any consolation in being called a sadist respectfully, as opposed to the regular way. Met Hunter Mar 31 2009 04:42 PM There are a few reasons why I'm thinking this way. First of all, you mention the 69 coaches, so an on field feat is out. Then you mentioned that a Met could only do this four times. Like the 4 Met pennants. Buddy being the coach on one of them. But since no Met could do all four that was out. Maybe a playoff appearance? There were no LCSs in Babe Ruth's day. Belanger was in 6 LCSs with Balto. But then Ojeda never did it. So that's out. Dwight Bernard was a short timer, but he played when Milwaukee was a playoff team. Hmmm. Every guess, every lead, has a hole. I was hoping it isn't something dopey like being on the cover of a yearbook. G-Fafif Mar 31 2009 04:51 PM Played with/coached a Hall of Famer? With/for a Hall of Famer in the World Series? Wayne Garrett had three Hall of Famers in that regard: Seaver, Mays, Ryan (if we're not counting managers). Harrelson would have those guys plus Carter, when he coached, making it four. I haven't value-tested every guy (why not Tug...because he didn't pitch in '69 WS, perhaps), so maybe not, but Dwight Bernard played in a WS with Molitor and Yount, so...I have no idea. batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 04:57 PM ="G-Fafif":3bt9357t]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:3bt9357t] No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers. Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider). batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 04:59 PM ="G-Fafif":l26i4i4l]Played with/coached a Hall of Famer? With/for a Hall of Famer in the World Series? Wayne Garrett had three Hall of Famers in that regard: Seaver, Mays, Ryan (if we're not counting managers). Harrelson would have those guys plus Carter, when he coached, making it four. I haven't value-tested every guy (why not Tug...because he didn't pitch in '69 WS, perhaps), so maybe not, but Dwight Bernard played in a WS with Molitor and Yount, so...I have no idea.[/quote:l26i4i4l] Did you just add this stuff? Anyway, it's got nothing to do with HOF'ers. And remember -- Babe Ruth never did it. G-Fafif Mar 31 2009 05:01 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":1wu9ddve] ="G-Fafif":1wu9ddve]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:1wu9ddve] No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers. Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider).[/quote:1wu9ddve] Yeah, that occurred to me after. But Spahn, Berra, Snider did not play in WS as Mets. Only Mets HoFers to play in WS as Mets were Nolan, Willie, Tom and Gary; Yogi coached and managed in WS. I don't know that Schmidt played with six HoFers in WS (Carlton, Perez, Morgan...eph the Phils). batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 05:07 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":3qmgs4ht] ="G-Fafif":3qmgs4ht]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:3qmgs4ht] No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers. Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider).[/quote:3qmgs4ht] Kranepool played with those three, plus Ryan, Seaver and Mays -- six HOFers in all, not including HOF managers and coaches (Hornsby, Stengel) batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 05:09 PM ="G-Fafif":3fpqzwke] ="batmagadanleadoff":3fpqzwke] ="G-Fafif":3fpqzwke]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:3fpqzwke] No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers. Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider).[/quote:3fpqzwke] Yeah, that occurred to me after. But Spahn, Berra, Snider did not play in WS as Mets. Only Mets HoFers to play in WS as Mets were Nolan, Willie, Tom and Gary; Yogi coached and managed in WS. I don't know that Schmidt played with six HoFers in WS (Carlton, Perez, Morgan...eph the Phils).[/quote:3fpqzwke] I see. We're playing leapfrog with our posts. Well, it doesn't have anything to do with HOFers, no matter how you slice it. SteveJRogers Mar 31 2009 05:10 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 31 2009 05:12 PM I'm fixated on Buddy's Gold Glove image. Does it have something to do with Met award winners? Huh, or maybe All Star Game Starts... AH HA... All Star Game selections made by someone other than fan voting perhaps? batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 05:12 PM ="SteveJRogers"]I'm fixated on Buddy's Gold Glove image. Does it have something to do with Met award winners? Hey! This isn't What's My Line? G-Fafif Mar 31 2009 05:14 PM SteveJRogers Mar 31 2009 05:16 PM Be in uniform for Opening Day proper (Game 1 of 162) at Shea Stadium? That doesn't make much sense now that I think of it... Didn't it use to alternate until like the last few years the Mets have opened on the road for whatever reason? MFS62 Mar 31 2009 05:24 PM How about that all participated in a game that opened a new staduim? Later Edgy DC Mar 31 2009 05:24 PM These guys, at least three times, have attended the funeral of a Met Hall of Famer. Dead Mets Hall of Famers: Tommie Agee Gil Hodges Tug McGraw Bob Murphy Johnny Murphy Lindsey Nelson Joan Whitney Payson Bill Shea Casey Stengel George Weiss OlerudOwned Mar 31 2009 11:24 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":3ces6an7] ="G-Fafif":3ces6an7]Played with/coached a Hall of Famer? With/for a Hall of Famer in the World Series? Wayne Garrett had three Hall of Famers in that regard: Seaver, Mays, Ryan (if we're not counting managers). Harrelson would have those guys plus Carter, when he coached, making it four. I haven't value-tested every guy (why not Tug...because he didn't pitch in '69 WS, perhaps), so maybe not, but Dwight Bernard played in a WS with Molitor and Yount, so...I have no idea.[/quote:3ces6an7] Did you just add this stuff? Anyway, it's got nothing to do with HOF'ers. And remember -- Babe Ruth never did it.[/quote:3ces6an7] Touched their own toes. TheOldMole Apr 01 2009 06:28 AM Can we give up? Benjamin Grimm Apr 01 2009 07:08 AM We're trying. MFS62 Apr 01 2009 07:13 AM Is it a coincidence that he said he would reveal the answer today? April Fools Day? What if there is no answer? Pitchfiorks and torches. Who's with me? Later seawolf17 Apr 01 2009 07:19 AM I don't mean this in a bad way, but if a trivia question takes sixteen hints and ninety posts without anyone sniffing an answer, I think it's a bit of trivia that would get you fired from the "Jeopardy" clue crew. batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 07:23 AM Alright already. I'll post the answer in about 20 minutes. I would've really liked for someone to have solved the question. Reallly. I didn't set out to be a stumper. Or a sadist. The answer's so easy that when I post it, I guarantee that everyone on this forum will be able to confirm the accuracy of the answer mentally, without having to reference any printed source. metirish Apr 01 2009 07:27 AM Oh just give us the fucking answer for fucks sake , it can only be a disapointment at this stage. MFS62 Apr 01 2009 07:34 AM Come on already. I'm putting curare on my pitchfork. Later batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 07:42 AM What do the following Mets -and no other Mets- have in common: Ed Kranepool, Jerry Koosman, Bud Harrelson, Jerry Grote, Wayne Garrett and Rusty Staub? Hint #5 - Whatever it is that these Mets have in common (Ed Kranepool, Jerry Koosman, Bud Harrelson, Jerry Grote, Wayne Garrett, Rusty Staub and depending on how the answer is phrased - Tom Seaver), they did it three times. Hint #6 - Actually, Bud Harrelson did it four times; thrice as a player and once as a manager/coach. But for the purpose of this question, I only counted the three times Bud did it as a player. The answer is ����. They all played for the Mets in a season --three times-- in which one of their teammates won the Cy Young Award. (Hint #13. Bud Harrelson did it four times. This is the maximum possible number of times that any Met could have accomplished this whatever you wanna call it.) Bud Harrelson did it four times. He played for the Mets for all three of Seaver�s Cy�s, and was a coach for the Mets in �85, the year that Gooden won his Cy Young award. Seaver, of course, can�t be his own teammate, so the answer would have to be re-phrased to work around the word �teammate� in order to include him: something like �these Mets played for the Mets in seasons when a Met won that year�s Cy Young award. ="Edgy DC"]Rusty Staub is the key here, as he is the only non-'69er. This is as good a time as any to segue into hint #7. Hint #7. Rusty's path to this "accomplishment" ("accomplishment" for lack of a better term) was slightly different than that off all the other Mets in the question. All but Rusty were teammates of Seaver in each of the three years when Seaver won the award (�69, �73 and �75). Staub missed Seaver�s first Cy but came back for a second stint with the team in the 80�s and was Gooden�s teammate for Doc�s Cy campaign in �85, Staub�s last season as a major leaguer. Hint # Last. Sigh. Sigh Young. Hint #8. Earlier, I wrote that Cleon Jones just missed making the list. Cleon's omission from the list is a technicality based on the way I chose to phrase the answer, more than anything else. I could rephrase the answer so as to include Cleon Jones. The inclusion of Cleon would then leave about a dozen or so Mets who "accomplished" this bit of trivia twice. Of those dozen or so, the Mets that came the closest to making the list (Kranepool, Koosman, Harrelson, Grote, Garrett, Staub - Seaver & Jones depending on how the answer is phrased) without actually making it are, in no particular order, Ken Boswell, Tug McGraw and Duffy Dyer. Hint #9. Under the narrower Jonesless version of this trivia question, Cleon misses the cut by a few months. Cleon was a Met in �69, �73 and �75, so he�s part of the answer. In my original answer, I excluded Cleon because he wasn�t on the Mets for the entire �75 season. I thought that by including partial seasons, the answer would include too many Mets, and the question would be too confusing. Really. But as it turned out, Cleon was the only Met affected by allowing partial seasons. Boswell, McGraw and Dyer were Mets for Seaver�s first two awards; their careers as Mets concluded at the end of the �74 season. Hint #10. As I said, Bud Harrelson did this four times as a Met, if you include his roster stints as coach and/or manager. Including all Met managerial and coaching stints, add Yogi Berra, Rube Walker, Joe Pignatano and Eddie Yost as Mets who did this three times. All four were in Mets uniforms for each of Seaver�s three Cy Young awards. ="batmagadanleadoff"] Hint #16. Yogi did it four times as a Yankee. Hint #17. For most of Yogi's Yankee days, this was twice as hard to do as it is now, if not outright impossible. Hint #18. Babe Ruth never did it. So -- George Thomas 3, George Herman 0. Did anyone ever notice how the greatest Met and Yankee are both named George, and how they were both commonly referred to as something other than George? Yogi played for the Yankees in 1958 when Bob Turley won the Cy Young award and in 1961, when Whitey Ford won the award. He coached the Yankees in 1977 when Sparky Lyle won the award and the following season, when Ron Guidry won it. The award didn�t exist prior to 1956, and between 1956 and 1966, only one award was given, instead of the two that are now awarded, -- one for each league. Hint #20. Dwight Bernard did it twice in his career; never as a N.Y. Met. Bernard�s MLB career consisted of two seasons with the Mets (�79 and �80) and then the following two seasons with the Brewers as teammates of Cy Young award winners Rollie Fingers (�81) and Pete Vuckovich (�82). Hint #19. Tommy Davis did it seven times in his career; never as a N.Y. Met. Tommy Davis was a teammate of the following Cy Young award winners in the same seasons that the pitchers won the award: Don Drysdale (�62) Sandy Koufax (�63, �65, �66) Vida Blue (�71) Jim Palmer (73, �75) MFS62 Apr 01 2009 07:50 AM Well played. Good question. Helpful clues. I'd still advise you to have someone else open your packages and start your car for you for a while. Later Zvon Apr 01 2009 12:03 PM ="batmagadanleadoff"]Hint # Last. Sigh. Sigh Young. batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 12:10 PM ="Zvon"] ="batmagadanleadoff"]Hint # Last. Sigh. Sigh Young. Welcome back, man! G-Fafif Apr 01 2009 12:44 PM The answer was kind of, sort of waiting to be divined. A couple of more weeks and I feel I would have caught on. Edgy DC Apr 01 2009 12:48 PM Agreed. Definitely by the All Star Break. batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 03:02 PM If you guys weren't so impatient, my next hint would've been: Ironically, Cy Young never did this. Edgy DC May 07 2009 02:37 PM Tom Seaver Nolan Ryan Dennis Eckersley Rich Gossage Swan Swan H May 07 2009 03:14 PM WAG - Four pitchers who got a win and a save in an All-Star game. Edgy DC May 07 2009 05:25 PM I'm pretty sure this is an exclusive club (though I suspect there might be one more out there). I know that Bruce Sutter has also both won and saved an All Star game. You'd also think Sutter would be part of this list for the reasons I'm looking for, but he's not. batmagadanleadoff May 07 2009 05:28 PM Is this a trivia question? And if so, is there a Met theme (thread title)?

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I will say all the clues out there just made it more convoluted for me. I woulda made more gusses without all of them gumming up my brain.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I think it may be time to flip the cards.

[Guest OlerudOwned]

Play during an anniversary season? Fuck if I know?

[Guest Edgy DC]

Cash checks from three different ownership groups?

[batmagadanleadoff]

[u:2z8yrec9]Hint # Last[/u:2z8yrec9]. Sigh.

[batmagadanleadoff]

="Edgy DC":2jou5jz3]Cash checks from three different ownership groups?[/quote:2jou5jz3] That's interesting. The Payson Group. The De Roulets. Doubleday. Then Wilpon. Would you have a fifth group for the period when Doubleday and Wilpon were equal 50% owners? It wouldn't work, though. Stearns, for example, was a Met under all four groups; Cleon - just Payson.

Edgy DC Mar 31 2009 12:43 PM

I tried. Yeah, I count five different ownership entities under four different controlling partners --- Payson - DeRoulet/Payson - Doubleday, Inc. - Doubleday/Wilpon - Wilpon. It was as guess, and I thought maybe possibly right depending on how toruturously you defined things.

Zvon Mar 31 2009 02:27 PM

Sorry I didn't see this earlier. Don't give away the answer! I'm keen to guess!

metsmarathon Mar 31 2009 03:24 PM

played under the reign of different official METS logos...?

SteveJRogers Mar 31 2009 03:40 PM

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD JUST GIVE THE DAMN ANSWER!

batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 04:29 PM

Okay ... this is the last batch of hints and comments I'll make. Sometime tomorrow, I'll post the answer. ="Edgy DC":2h2aw5er]Cash checks from three different ownership groups?[/quote:2h2aw5er] I liked this guess, even though it was incorrect. The answer to this question is much more obvious and accessible. ="Met Hunter":2h2aw5er]I think it has something to do with being on a LCS team or winner.[/quote:2h2aw5er] I also liked Met Hunter's guess, even though the answer has nothing to do with being on an LCS team or on a winner and even though MH's answer wasn't even an answer, but a request for another hint. But I think that Met Hunter's approach to answering the question might have been the best one, even if I'm guessing here, myself. I guess that I don't really know what MH's reasons or methods were for answering the question the way he did. But I liked his comment. If you phrase the answer so as to include Tom Seaver as one of the Mets that did this three times, then by that same phrasing, Jim Palmer did this six times with the Orioles, and the trio of Glavine, Smoltz and Maddux each did it six times as a Brave. I'm still trying to figure out whether there's any consolation in being called a sadist respectfully, as opposed to the regular way. Met Hunter Mar 31 2009 04:42 PM There are a few reasons why I'm thinking this way. First of all, you mention the 69 coaches, so an on field feat is out. Then you mentioned that a Met could only do this four times. Like the 4 Met pennants. Buddy being the coach on one of them. But since no Met could do all four that was out. Maybe a playoff appearance? There were no LCSs in Babe Ruth's day. Belanger was in 6 LCSs with Balto. But then Ojeda never did it. So that's out. Dwight Bernard was a short timer, but he played when Milwaukee was a playoff team. Hmmm. Every guess, every lead, has a hole. I was hoping it isn't something dopey like being on the cover of a yearbook. G-Fafif Mar 31 2009 04:51 PM Played with/coached a Hall of Famer? With/for a Hall of Famer in the World Series? Wayne Garrett had three Hall of Famers in that regard: Seaver, Mays, Ryan (if we're not counting managers). Harrelson would have those guys plus Carter, when he coached, making it four. I haven't value-tested every guy (why not Tug...because he didn't pitch in '69 WS, perhaps), so maybe not, but Dwight Bernard played in a WS with Molitor and Yount, so...I have no idea. batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 04:57 PM ="G-Fafif":3bt9357t]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:3bt9357t] No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers. Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider). batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 04:59 PM ="G-Fafif":l26i4i4l]Played with/coached a Hall of Famer? With/for a Hall of Famer in the World Series? Wayne Garrett had three Hall of Famers in that regard: Seaver, Mays, Ryan (if we're not counting managers). Harrelson would have those guys plus Carter, when he coached, making it four. I haven't value-tested every guy (why not Tug...because he didn't pitch in '69 WS, perhaps), so maybe not, but Dwight Bernard played in a WS with Molitor and Yount, so...I have no idea.[/quote:l26i4i4l] Did you just add this stuff? Anyway, it's got nothing to do with HOF'ers. And remember -- Babe Ruth never did it. G-Fafif Mar 31 2009 05:01 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":1wu9ddve] ="G-Fafif":1wu9ddve]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:1wu9ddve] No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers. Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider).[/quote:1wu9ddve] Yeah, that occurred to me after. But Spahn, Berra, Snider did not play in WS as Mets. Only Mets HoFers to play in WS as Mets were Nolan, Willie, Tom and Gary; Yogi coached and managed in WS. I don't know that Schmidt played with six HoFers in WS (Carlton, Perez, Morgan...eph the Phils). batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 05:07 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":3qmgs4ht] ="G-Fafif":3qmgs4ht]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:3qmgs4ht] No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers. Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider).[/quote:3qmgs4ht] Kranepool played with those three, plus Ryan, Seaver and Mays -- six HOFers in all, not including HOF managers and coaches (Hornsby, Stengel) batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 05:09 PM ="G-Fafif":3fpqzwke] ="batmagadanleadoff":3fpqzwke] ="G-Fafif":3fpqzwke]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:3fpqzwke] No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers. Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider).[/quote:3fpqzwke] Yeah, that occurred to me after. But Spahn, Berra, Snider did not play in WS as Mets. Only Mets HoFers to play in WS as Mets were Nolan, Willie, Tom and Gary; Yogi coached and managed in WS. I don't know that Schmidt played with six HoFers in WS (Carlton, Perez, Morgan...eph the Phils).[/quote:3fpqzwke] I see. We're playing leapfrog with our posts. Well, it doesn't have anything to do with HOFers, no matter how you slice it. SteveJRogers Mar 31 2009 05:10 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 31 2009 05:12 PM I'm fixated on Buddy's Gold Glove image. Does it have something to do with Met award winners? Huh, or maybe All Star Game Starts... AH HA... All Star Game selections made by someone other than fan voting perhaps? batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 05:12 PM ="SteveJRogers"]I'm fixated on Buddy's Gold Glove image. Does it have something to do with Met award winners? Hey! This isn't What's My Line? G-Fafif Mar 31 2009 05:14 PM SteveJRogers Mar 31 2009 05:16 PM Be in uniform for Opening Day proper (Game 1 of 162) at Shea Stadium? That doesn't make much sense now that I think of it... Didn't it use to alternate until like the last few years the Mets have opened on the road for whatever reason? MFS62 Mar 31 2009 05:24 PM How about that all participated in a game that opened a new staduim? Later Edgy DC Mar 31 2009 05:24 PM These guys, at least three times, have attended the funeral of a Met Hall of Famer. Dead Mets Hall of Famers: Tommie Agee Gil Hodges Tug McGraw Bob Murphy Johnny Murphy Lindsey Nelson Joan Whitney Payson Bill Shea Casey Stengel George Weiss OlerudOwned Mar 31 2009 11:24 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":3ces6an7] ="G-Fafif":3ces6an7]Played with/coached a Hall of Famer? With/for a Hall of Famer in the World Series? Wayne Garrett had three Hall of Famers in that regard: Seaver, Mays, Ryan (if we're not counting managers). Harrelson would have those guys plus Carter, when he coached, making it four. I haven't value-tested every guy (why not Tug...because he didn't pitch in '69 WS, perhaps), so maybe not, but Dwight Bernard played in a WS with Molitor and Yount, so...I have no idea.[/quote:3ces6an7] Did you just add this stuff? Anyway, it's got nothing to do with HOF'ers. And remember -- Babe Ruth never did it.[/quote:3ces6an7] Touched their own toes. TheOldMole Apr 01 2009 06:28 AM Can we give up? Benjamin Grimm Apr 01 2009 07:08 AM We're trying. MFS62 Apr 01 2009 07:13 AM Is it a coincidence that he said he would reveal the answer today? April Fools Day? What if there is no answer? Pitchfiorks and torches. Who's with me? Later seawolf17 Apr 01 2009 07:19 AM I don't mean this in a bad way, but if a trivia question takes sixteen hints and ninety posts without anyone sniffing an answer, I think it's a bit of trivia that would get you fired from the "Jeopardy" clue crew. batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 07:23 AM Alright already. I'll post the answer in about 20 minutes. I would've really liked for someone to have solved the question. Reallly. I didn't set out to be a stumper. Or a sadist. The answer's so easy that when I post it, I guarantee that everyone on this forum will be able to confirm the accuracy of the answer mentally, without having to reference any printed source. metirish Apr 01 2009 07:27 AM Oh just give us the fucking answer for fucks sake , it can only be a disapointment at this stage. MFS62 Apr 01 2009 07:34 AM Come on already. I'm putting curare on my pitchfork. Later batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 07:42 AM What do the following Mets -and no other Mets- have in common: Ed Kranepool, Jerry Koosman, Bud Harrelson, Jerry Grote, Wayne Garrett and Rusty Staub? Hint #5 - Whatever it is that these Mets have in common (Ed Kranepool, Jerry Koosman, Bud Harrelson, Jerry Grote, Wayne Garrett, Rusty Staub and depending on how the answer is phrased - Tom Seaver), they did it three times. Hint #6 - Actually, Bud Harrelson did it four times; thrice as a player and once as a manager/coach. But for the purpose of this question, I only counted the three times Bud did it as a player. The answer is ����. They all played for the Mets in a season --three times-- in which one of their teammates won the Cy Young Award. (Hint #13. Bud Harrelson did it four times. This is the maximum possible number of times that any Met could have accomplished this whatever you wanna call it.) Bud Harrelson did it four times. He played for the Mets for all three of Seaver�s Cy�s, and was a coach for the Mets in �85, the year that Gooden won his Cy Young award. Seaver, of course, can�t be his own teammate, so the answer would have to be re-phrased to work around the word �teammate� in order to include him: something like �these Mets played for the Mets in seasons when a Met won that year�s Cy Young award. ="Edgy DC"]Rusty Staub is the key here, as he is the only non-'69er. This is as good a time as any to segue into hint #7. Hint #7. Rusty's path to this "accomplishment" ("accomplishment" for lack of a better term) was slightly different than that off all the other Mets in the question. All but Rusty were teammates of Seaver in each of the three years when Seaver won the award (�69, �73 and �75). Staub missed Seaver�s first Cy but came back for a second stint with the team in the 80�s and was Gooden�s teammate for Doc�s Cy campaign in �85, Staub�s last season as a major leaguer. Hint # Last. Sigh. Sigh Young. Hint #8. Earlier, I wrote that Cleon Jones just missed making the list. Cleon's omission from the list is a technicality based on the way I chose to phrase the answer, more than anything else. I could rephrase the answer so as to include Cleon Jones. The inclusion of Cleon would then leave about a dozen or so Mets who "accomplished" this bit of trivia twice. Of those dozen or so, the Mets that came the closest to making the list (Kranepool, Koosman, Harrelson, Grote, Garrett, Staub - Seaver & Jones depending on how the answer is phrased) without actually making it are, in no particular order, Ken Boswell, Tug McGraw and Duffy Dyer. Hint #9. Under the narrower Jonesless version of this trivia question, Cleon misses the cut by a few months. Cleon was a Met in �69, �73 and �75, so he�s part of the answer. In my original answer, I excluded Cleon because he wasn�t on the Mets for the entire �75 season. I thought that by including partial seasons, the answer would include too many Mets, and the question would be too confusing. Really. But as it turned out, Cleon was the only Met affected by allowing partial seasons. Boswell, McGraw and Dyer were Mets for Seaver�s first two awards; their careers as Mets concluded at the end of the �74 season. Hint #10. As I said, Bud Harrelson did this four times as a Met, if you include his roster stints as coach and/or manager. Including all Met managerial and coaching stints, add Yogi Berra, Rube Walker, Joe Pignatano and Eddie Yost as Mets who did this three times. All four were in Mets uniforms for each of Seaver�s three Cy Young awards. ="batmagadanleadoff"] Hint #16. Yogi did it four times as a Yankee. Hint #17. For most of Yogi's Yankee days, this was twice as hard to do as it is now, if not outright impossible. Hint #18. Babe Ruth never did it. So -- George Thomas 3, George Herman 0. Did anyone ever notice how the greatest Met and Yankee are both named George, and how they were both commonly referred to as something other than George? Yogi played for the Yankees in 1958 when Bob Turley won the Cy Young award and in 1961, when Whitey Ford won the award. He coached the Yankees in 1977 when Sparky Lyle won the award and the following season, when Ron Guidry won it. The award didn�t exist prior to 1956, and between 1956 and 1966, only one award was given, instead of the two that are now awarded, -- one for each league. Hint #20. Dwight Bernard did it twice in his career; never as a N.Y. Met. Bernard�s MLB career consisted of two seasons with the Mets (�79 and �80) and then the following two seasons with the Brewers as teammates of Cy Young award winners Rollie Fingers (�81) and Pete Vuckovich (�82). Hint #19. Tommy Davis did it seven times in his career; never as a N.Y. Met. Tommy Davis was a teammate of the following Cy Young award winners in the same seasons that the pitchers won the award: Don Drysdale (�62) Sandy Koufax (�63, �65, �66) Vida Blue (�71) Jim Palmer (73, �75) MFS62 Apr 01 2009 07:50 AM Well played. Good question. Helpful clues. I'd still advise you to have someone else open your packages and start your car for you for a while. Later Zvon Apr 01 2009 12:03 PM ="batmagadanleadoff"]Hint # Last. Sigh. Sigh Young. batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 12:10 PM ="Zvon"] ="batmagadanleadoff"]Hint # Last. Sigh. Sigh Young. Welcome back, man! G-Fafif Apr 01 2009 12:44 PM The answer was kind of, sort of waiting to be divined. A couple of more weeks and I feel I would have caught on. Edgy DC Apr 01 2009 12:48 PM Agreed. Definitely by the All Star Break. batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 03:02 PM If you guys weren't so impatient, my next hint would've been: Ironically, Cy Young never did this. Edgy DC May 07 2009 02:37 PM Tom Seaver Nolan Ryan Dennis Eckersley Rich Gossage Swan Swan H May 07 2009 03:14 PM WAG - Four pitchers who got a win and a save in an All-Star game. Edgy DC May 07 2009 05:25 PM I'm pretty sure this is an exclusive club (though I suspect there might be one more out there). I know that Bruce Sutter has also both won and saved an All Star game. You'd also think Sutter would be part of this list for the reasons I'm looking for, but he's not. batmagadanleadoff May 07 2009 05:28 PM Is this a trivia question? And if so, is there a Met theme (thread title)?

[Guest Edgy DC]

I tried. Yeah, I count five different ownership entities under four different controlling partners --- Payson - DeRoulet/Payson - Doubleday, Inc. - Doubleday/Wilpon - Wilpon.

It was as guess, and I thought maybe possibly right depending on how toruturously you defined things.

[Zvon]

Sorry I didn't see this earlier.

Don't give away the answer!

I'm keen to guess!

[metsmarathon]

played under the reign of different official METS logos...?

[stevejrogers]

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD JUST GIVE THE DAMN ANSWER!

[batmagadanleadoff]

Okay ... this is the last batch of hints and comments I'll make. Sometime tomorrow, I'll post the answer.

="Edgy DC":2h2aw5er]Cash checks from three different ownership groups?[/quote:2h2aw5er] I liked this guess, even though it was incorrect. The answer to this question is much more obvious and accessible. ="Met Hunter":2h2aw5er]I think it has something to do with being on a LCS team or winner.[/quote:2h2aw5er] I also liked Met Hunter's guess, even though the answer has nothing to do with being on an LCS team or on a winner and even though MH's answer wasn't even an answer, but a request for another hint. But I think that Met Hunter's approach to answering the question might have been the best one, even if I'm guessing here, myself. I guess that I don't really know what MH's reasons or methods were for answering the question the way he did. But I liked his comment. If you phrase the answer so as to include Tom Seaver as one of the Mets that did this three times, then by that same phrasing, Jim Palmer did this six times with the Orioles, and the trio of Glavine, Smoltz and Maddux each did it six times as a Brave. I'm still trying to figure out whether there's any consolation in being called a sadist respectfully, as opposed to the regular way. Met Hunter Mar 31 2009 04:42 PM There are a few reasons why I'm thinking this way. First of all, you mention the 69 coaches, so an on field feat is out. Then you mentioned that a Met could only do this four times. Like the 4 Met pennants. Buddy being the coach on one of them. But since no Met could do all four that was out. Maybe a playoff appearance? There were no LCSs in Babe Ruth's day. Belanger was in 6 LCSs with Balto. But then Ojeda never did it. So that's out. Dwight Bernard was a short timer, but he played when Milwaukee was a playoff team. Hmmm. Every guess, every lead, has a hole. I was hoping it isn't something dopey like being on the cover of a yearbook. G-Fafif Mar 31 2009 04:51 PM Played with/coached a Hall of Famer? With/for a Hall of Famer in the World Series? Wayne Garrett had three Hall of Famers in that regard: Seaver, Mays, Ryan (if we're not counting managers). Harrelson would have those guys plus Carter, when he coached, making it four. I haven't value-tested every guy (why not Tug...because he didn't pitch in '69 WS, perhaps), so maybe not, but Dwight Bernard played in a WS with Molitor and Yount, so...I have no idea. batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 04:57 PM ="G-Fafif":3bt9357t]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:3bt9357t] No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers. Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider). batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 04:59 PM ="G-Fafif":l26i4i4l]Played with/coached a Hall of Famer? With/for a Hall of Famer in the World Series? Wayne Garrett had three Hall of Famers in that regard: Seaver, Mays, Ryan (if we're not counting managers). Harrelson would have those guys plus Carter, when he coached, making it four. I haven't value-tested every guy (why not Tug...because he didn't pitch in '69 WS, perhaps), so maybe not, but Dwight Bernard played in a WS with Molitor and Yount, so...I have no idea.[/quote:l26i4i4l] Did you just add this stuff? Anyway, it's got nothing to do with HOF'ers. And remember -- Babe Ruth never did it. G-Fafif Mar 31 2009 05:01 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":1wu9ddve] ="G-Fafif":1wu9ddve]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:1wu9ddve] No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers. Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider).[/quote:1wu9ddve] Yeah, that occurred to me after. But Spahn, Berra, Snider did not play in WS as Mets. Only Mets HoFers to play in WS as Mets were Nolan, Willie, Tom and Gary; Yogi coached and managed in WS. I don't know that Schmidt played with six HoFers in WS (Carlton, Perez, Morgan...eph the Phils). batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 05:07 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":3qmgs4ht] ="G-Fafif":3qmgs4ht]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:3qmgs4ht] No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers. Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider).[/quote:3qmgs4ht] Kranepool played with those three, plus Ryan, Seaver and Mays -- six HOFers in all, not including HOF managers and coaches (Hornsby, Stengel) batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 05:09 PM ="G-Fafif":3fpqzwke] ="batmagadanleadoff":3fpqzwke] ="G-Fafif":3fpqzwke]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:3fpqzwke] No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers. Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider).[/quote:3fpqzwke] Yeah, that occurred to me after. But Spahn, Berra, Snider did not play in WS as Mets. Only Mets HoFers to play in WS as Mets were Nolan, Willie, Tom and Gary; Yogi coached and managed in WS. I don't know that Schmidt played with six HoFers in WS (Carlton, Perez, Morgan...eph the Phils).[/quote:3fpqzwke] I see. We're playing leapfrog with our posts. Well, it doesn't have anything to do with HOFers, no matter how you slice it. SteveJRogers Mar 31 2009 05:10 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 31 2009 05:12 PM I'm fixated on Buddy's Gold Glove image. Does it have something to do with Met award winners? Huh, or maybe All Star Game Starts... AH HA... All Star Game selections made by someone other than fan voting perhaps? batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 05:12 PM ="SteveJRogers"]I'm fixated on Buddy's Gold Glove image. Does it have something to do with Met award winners? Hey! This isn't What's My Line? G-Fafif Mar 31 2009 05:14 PM SteveJRogers Mar 31 2009 05:16 PM Be in uniform for Opening Day proper (Game 1 of 162) at Shea Stadium? That doesn't make much sense now that I think of it... Didn't it use to alternate until like the last few years the Mets have opened on the road for whatever reason? MFS62 Mar 31 2009 05:24 PM How about that all participated in a game that opened a new staduim? Later Edgy DC Mar 31 2009 05:24 PM These guys, at least three times, have attended the funeral of a Met Hall of Famer. Dead Mets Hall of Famers: Tommie Agee Gil Hodges Tug McGraw Bob Murphy Johnny Murphy Lindsey Nelson Joan Whitney Payson Bill Shea Casey Stengel George Weiss OlerudOwned Mar 31 2009 11:24 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":3ces6an7] ="G-Fafif":3ces6an7]Played with/coached a Hall of Famer? With/for a Hall of Famer in the World Series? Wayne Garrett had three Hall of Famers in that regard: Seaver, Mays, Ryan (if we're not counting managers). Harrelson would have those guys plus Carter, when he coached, making it four. I haven't value-tested every guy (why not Tug...because he didn't pitch in '69 WS, perhaps), so maybe not, but Dwight Bernard played in a WS with Molitor and Yount, so...I have no idea.[/quote:3ces6an7] Did you just add this stuff? Anyway, it's got nothing to do with HOF'ers. And remember -- Babe Ruth never did it.[/quote:3ces6an7] Touched their own toes. TheOldMole Apr 01 2009 06:28 AM Can we give up? Benjamin Grimm Apr 01 2009 07:08 AM We're trying. MFS62 Apr 01 2009 07:13 AM Is it a coincidence that he said he would reveal the answer today? April Fools Day? What if there is no answer? Pitchfiorks and torches. Who's with me? Later seawolf17 Apr 01 2009 07:19 AM I don't mean this in a bad way, but if a trivia question takes sixteen hints and ninety posts without anyone sniffing an answer, I think it's a bit of trivia that would get you fired from the "Jeopardy" clue crew. batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 07:23 AM Alright already. I'll post the answer in about 20 minutes. I would've really liked for someone to have solved the question. Reallly. I didn't set out to be a stumper. Or a sadist. The answer's so easy that when I post it, I guarantee that everyone on this forum will be able to confirm the accuracy of the answer mentally, without having to reference any printed source. metirish Apr 01 2009 07:27 AM Oh just give us the fucking answer for fucks sake , it can only be a disapointment at this stage. MFS62 Apr 01 2009 07:34 AM Come on already. I'm putting curare on my pitchfork. Later batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 07:42 AM What do the following Mets -and no other Mets- have in common: Ed Kranepool, Jerry Koosman, Bud Harrelson, Jerry Grote, Wayne Garrett and Rusty Staub? Hint #5 - Whatever it is that these Mets have in common (Ed Kranepool, Jerry Koosman, Bud Harrelson, Jerry Grote, Wayne Garrett, Rusty Staub and depending on how the answer is phrased - Tom Seaver), they did it three times. Hint #6 - Actually, Bud Harrelson did it four times; thrice as a player and once as a manager/coach. But for the purpose of this question, I only counted the three times Bud did it as a player. The answer is ����. They all played for the Mets in a season --three times-- in which one of their teammates won the Cy Young Award. (Hint #13. Bud Harrelson did it four times. This is the maximum possible number of times that any Met could have accomplished this whatever you wanna call it.) Bud Harrelson did it four times. He played for the Mets for all three of Seaver�s Cy�s, and was a coach for the Mets in �85, the year that Gooden won his Cy Young award. Seaver, of course, can�t be his own teammate, so the answer would have to be re-phrased to work around the word �teammate� in order to include him: something like �these Mets played for the Mets in seasons when a Met won that year�s Cy Young award. ="Edgy DC"]Rusty Staub is the key here, as he is the only non-'69er. This is as good a time as any to segue into hint #7. Hint #7. Rusty's path to this "accomplishment" ("accomplishment" for lack of a better term) was slightly different than that off all the other Mets in the question. All but Rusty were teammates of Seaver in each of the three years when Seaver won the award (�69, �73 and �75). Staub missed Seaver�s first Cy but came back for a second stint with the team in the 80�s and was Gooden�s teammate for Doc�s Cy campaign in �85, Staub�s last season as a major leaguer. Hint # Last. Sigh. Sigh Young. Hint #8. Earlier, I wrote that Cleon Jones just missed making the list. Cleon's omission from the list is a technicality based on the way I chose to phrase the answer, more than anything else. I could rephrase the answer so as to include Cleon Jones. The inclusion of Cleon would then leave about a dozen or so Mets who "accomplished" this bit of trivia twice. Of those dozen or so, the Mets that came the closest to making the list (Kranepool, Koosman, Harrelson, Grote, Garrett, Staub - Seaver & Jones depending on how the answer is phrased) without actually making it are, in no particular order, Ken Boswell, Tug McGraw and Duffy Dyer. Hint #9. Under the narrower Jonesless version of this trivia question, Cleon misses the cut by a few months. Cleon was a Met in �69, �73 and �75, so he�s part of the answer. In my original answer, I excluded Cleon because he wasn�t on the Mets for the entire �75 season. I thought that by including partial seasons, the answer would include too many Mets, and the question would be too confusing. Really. But as it turned out, Cleon was the only Met affected by allowing partial seasons. Boswell, McGraw and Dyer were Mets for Seaver�s first two awards; their careers as Mets concluded at the end of the �74 season. Hint #10. As I said, Bud Harrelson did this four times as a Met, if you include his roster stints as coach and/or manager. Including all Met managerial and coaching stints, add Yogi Berra, Rube Walker, Joe Pignatano and Eddie Yost as Mets who did this three times. All four were in Mets uniforms for each of Seaver�s three Cy Young awards. ="batmagadanleadoff"] Hint #16. Yogi did it four times as a Yankee. Hint #17. For most of Yogi's Yankee days, this was twice as hard to do as it is now, if not outright impossible. Hint #18. Babe Ruth never did it. So -- George Thomas 3, George Herman 0. Did anyone ever notice how the greatest Met and Yankee are both named George, and how they were both commonly referred to as something other than George? Yogi played for the Yankees in 1958 when Bob Turley won the Cy Young award and in 1961, when Whitey Ford won the award. He coached the Yankees in 1977 when Sparky Lyle won the award and the following season, when Ron Guidry won it. The award didn�t exist prior to 1956, and between 1956 and 1966, only one award was given, instead of the two that are now awarded, -- one for each league. Hint #20. Dwight Bernard did it twice in his career; never as a N.Y. Met. Bernard�s MLB career consisted of two seasons with the Mets (�79 and �80) and then the following two seasons with the Brewers as teammates of Cy Young award winners Rollie Fingers (�81) and Pete Vuckovich (�82). Hint #19. Tommy Davis did it seven times in his career; never as a N.Y. Met. Tommy Davis was a teammate of the following Cy Young award winners in the same seasons that the pitchers won the award: Don Drysdale (�62) Sandy Koufax (�63, �65, �66) Vida Blue (�71) Jim Palmer (73, �75) MFS62 Apr 01 2009 07:50 AM Well played. Good question. Helpful clues. I'd still advise you to have someone else open your packages and start your car for you for a while. Later Zvon Apr 01 2009 12:03 PM ="batmagadanleadoff"]Hint # Last. Sigh. Sigh Young. batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 12:10 PM ="Zvon"] ="batmagadanleadoff"]Hint # Last. Sigh. Sigh Young. Welcome back, man! G-Fafif Apr 01 2009 12:44 PM The answer was kind of, sort of waiting to be divined. A couple of more weeks and I feel I would have caught on. Edgy DC Apr 01 2009 12:48 PM Agreed. Definitely by the All Star Break. batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 03:02 PM If you guys weren't so impatient, my next hint would've been: Ironically, Cy Young never did this. Edgy DC May 07 2009 02:37 PM Tom Seaver Nolan Ryan Dennis Eckersley Rich Gossage Swan Swan H May 07 2009 03:14 PM WAG - Four pitchers who got a win and a save in an All-Star game. Edgy DC May 07 2009 05:25 PM I'm pretty sure this is an exclusive club (though I suspect there might be one more out there). I know that Bruce Sutter has also both won and saved an All Star game. You'd also think Sutter would be part of this list for the reasons I'm looking for, but he's not. batmagadanleadoff May 07 2009 05:28 PM Is this a trivia question? And if so, is there a Met theme (thread title)?

[Met Hunter]

There are a few reasons why I'm thinking this way. First of all, you mention the 69 coaches, so an on field feat is out. Then you mentioned that a Met could only do this four times. Like the 4 Met pennants. Buddy being the coach on one of them. But since no Met could do all four that was out. Maybe a playoff appearance? There were no LCSs in Babe Ruth's day. Belanger was in 6 LCSs with Balto. But then Ojeda never did it. So that's out. Dwight Bernard was a short timer, but he played when Milwaukee was a playoff team. Hmmm. Every guess, every lead, has a hole. I was hoping it isn't something dopey like being on the cover of a yearbook.

[G-Fafif]

Played with/coached a Hall of Famer? With/for a Hall of Famer in the World Series? Wayne Garrett had three Hall of Famers in that regard: Seaver, Mays, Ryan (if we're not counting managers). Harrelson would have those guys plus Carter, when he coached, making it four. I haven't value-tested every guy (why not Tug...because he didn't pitch in '69 WS, perhaps), so maybe not, but Dwight Bernard played in a WS with Molitor and Yount, so...I have no idea.

[batmagadanleadoff]

="G-Fafif":3bt9357t]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:3bt9357t] No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers. Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider).

batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 04:59 PM

="G-Fafif":l26i4i4l]Played with/coached a Hall of Famer? With/for a Hall of Famer in the World Series? Wayne Garrett had three Hall of Famers in that regard: Seaver, Mays, Ryan (if we're not counting managers). Harrelson would have those guys plus Carter, when he coached, making it four. I haven't value-tested every guy (why not Tug...because he didn't pitch in '69 WS, perhaps), so maybe not, but Dwight Bernard played in a WS with Molitor and Yount, so...I have no idea.[/quote:l26i4i4l] Did you just add this stuff? Anyway, it's got nothing to do with HOF'ers. And remember -- Babe Ruth never did it. G-Fafif Mar 31 2009 05:01 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":1wu9ddve] ="G-Fafif":1wu9ddve]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:1wu9ddve] No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers. Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider).[/quote:1wu9ddve] Yeah, that occurred to me after. But Spahn, Berra, Snider did not play in WS as Mets. Only Mets HoFers to play in WS as Mets were Nolan, Willie, Tom and Gary; Yogi coached and managed in WS. I don't know that Schmidt played with six HoFers in WS (Carlton, Perez, Morgan...eph the Phils). batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 05:07 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":3qmgs4ht] ="G-Fafif":3qmgs4ht]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:3qmgs4ht] No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers. Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider).[/quote:3qmgs4ht] Kranepool played with those three, plus Ryan, Seaver and Mays -- six HOFers in all, not including HOF managers and coaches (Hornsby, Stengel) batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 05:09 PM ="G-Fafif":3fpqzwke] ="batmagadanleadoff":3fpqzwke] ="G-Fafif":3fpqzwke]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:3fpqzwke] No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers. Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider).[/quote:3fpqzwke] Yeah, that occurred to me after. But Spahn, Berra, Snider did not play in WS as Mets. Only Mets HoFers to play in WS as Mets were Nolan, Willie, Tom and Gary; Yogi coached and managed in WS. I don't know that Schmidt played with six HoFers in WS (Carlton, Perez, Morgan...eph the Phils).[/quote:3fpqzwke] I see. We're playing leapfrog with our posts. Well, it doesn't have anything to do with HOFers, no matter how you slice it. SteveJRogers Mar 31 2009 05:10 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 31 2009 05:12 PM I'm fixated on Buddy's Gold Glove image. Does it have something to do with Met award winners? Huh, or maybe All Star Game Starts... AH HA... All Star Game selections made by someone other than fan voting perhaps? batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 05:12 PM ="SteveJRogers"]I'm fixated on Buddy's Gold Glove image. Does it have something to do with Met award winners? Hey! This isn't What's My Line? G-Fafif Mar 31 2009 05:14 PM SteveJRogers Mar 31 2009 05:16 PM Be in uniform for Opening Day proper (Game 1 of 162) at Shea Stadium? That doesn't make much sense now that I think of it... Didn't it use to alternate until like the last few years the Mets have opened on the road for whatever reason? MFS62 Mar 31 2009 05:24 PM How about that all participated in a game that opened a new staduim? Later Edgy DC Mar 31 2009 05:24 PM These guys, at least three times, have attended the funeral of a Met Hall of Famer. Dead Mets Hall of Famers: Tommie Agee Gil Hodges Tug McGraw Bob Murphy Johnny Murphy Lindsey Nelson Joan Whitney Payson Bill Shea Casey Stengel George Weiss OlerudOwned Mar 31 2009 11:24 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":3ces6an7] ="G-Fafif":3ces6an7]Played with/coached a Hall of Famer? With/for a Hall of Famer in the World Series? Wayne Garrett had three Hall of Famers in that regard: Seaver, Mays, Ryan (if we're not counting managers). Harrelson would have those guys plus Carter, when he coached, making it four. I haven't value-tested every guy (why not Tug...because he didn't pitch in '69 WS, perhaps), so maybe not, but Dwight Bernard played in a WS with Molitor and Yount, so...I have no idea.[/quote:3ces6an7] Did you just add this stuff? Anyway, it's got nothing to do with HOF'ers. And remember -- Babe Ruth never did it.[/quote:3ces6an7] Touched their own toes. TheOldMole Apr 01 2009 06:28 AM Can we give up? Benjamin Grimm Apr 01 2009 07:08 AM We're trying. MFS62 Apr 01 2009 07:13 AM Is it a coincidence that he said he would reveal the answer today? April Fools Day? What if there is no answer? Pitchfiorks and torches. Who's with me? Later seawolf17 Apr 01 2009 07:19 AM I don't mean this in a bad way, but if a trivia question takes sixteen hints and ninety posts without anyone sniffing an answer, I think it's a bit of trivia that would get you fired from the "Jeopardy" clue crew. batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 07:23 AM Alright already. I'll post the answer in about 20 minutes. I would've really liked for someone to have solved the question. Reallly. I didn't set out to be a stumper. Or a sadist. The answer's so easy that when I post it, I guarantee that everyone on this forum will be able to confirm the accuracy of the answer mentally, without having to reference any printed source. metirish Apr 01 2009 07:27 AM Oh just give us the fucking answer for fucks sake , it can only be a disapointment at this stage. MFS62 Apr 01 2009 07:34 AM Come on already. I'm putting curare on my pitchfork. Later batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 07:42 AM What do the following Mets -and no other Mets- have in common: Ed Kranepool, Jerry Koosman, Bud Harrelson, Jerry Grote, Wayne Garrett and Rusty Staub? Hint #5 - Whatever it is that these Mets have in common (Ed Kranepool, Jerry Koosman, Bud Harrelson, Jerry Grote, Wayne Garrett, Rusty Staub and depending on how the answer is phrased - Tom Seaver), they did it three times. Hint #6 - Actually, Bud Harrelson did it four times; thrice as a player and once as a manager/coach. But for the purpose of this question, I only counted the three times Bud did it as a player. The answer is ����. They all played for the Mets in a season --three times-- in which one of their teammates won the Cy Young Award. (Hint #13. Bud Harrelson did it four times. This is the maximum possible number of times that any Met could have accomplished this whatever you wanna call it.) Bud Harrelson did it four times. He played for the Mets for all three of Seaver�s Cy�s, and was a coach for the Mets in �85, the year that Gooden won his Cy Young award. Seaver, of course, can�t be his own teammate, so the answer would have to be re-phrased to work around the word �teammate� in order to include him: something like �these Mets played for the Mets in seasons when a Met won that year�s Cy Young award. ="Edgy DC"]Rusty Staub is the key here, as he is the only non-'69er. This is as good a time as any to segue into hint #7. Hint #7. Rusty's path to this "accomplishment" ("accomplishment" for lack of a better term) was slightly different than that off all the other Mets in the question. All but Rusty were teammates of Seaver in each of the three years when Seaver won the award (�69, �73 and �75). Staub missed Seaver�s first Cy but came back for a second stint with the team in the 80�s and was Gooden�s teammate for Doc�s Cy campaign in �85, Staub�s last season as a major leaguer. Hint # Last. Sigh. Sigh Young. Hint #8. Earlier, I wrote that Cleon Jones just missed making the list. Cleon's omission from the list is a technicality based on the way I chose to phrase the answer, more than anything else. I could rephrase the answer so as to include Cleon Jones. The inclusion of Cleon would then leave about a dozen or so Mets who "accomplished" this bit of trivia twice. Of those dozen or so, the Mets that came the closest to making the list (Kranepool, Koosman, Harrelson, Grote, Garrett, Staub - Seaver & Jones depending on how the answer is phrased) without actually making it are, in no particular order, Ken Boswell, Tug McGraw and Duffy Dyer. Hint #9. Under the narrower Jonesless version of this trivia question, Cleon misses the cut by a few months. Cleon was a Met in �69, �73 and �75, so he�s part of the answer. In my original answer, I excluded Cleon because he wasn�t on the Mets for the entire �75 season. I thought that by including partial seasons, the answer would include too many Mets, and the question would be too confusing. Really. But as it turned out, Cleon was the only Met affected by allowing partial seasons. Boswell, McGraw and Dyer were Mets for Seaver�s first two awards; their careers as Mets concluded at the end of the �74 season. Hint #10. As I said, Bud Harrelson did this four times as a Met, if you include his roster stints as coach and/or manager. Including all Met managerial and coaching stints, add Yogi Berra, Rube Walker, Joe Pignatano and Eddie Yost as Mets who did this three times. All four were in Mets uniforms for each of Seaver�s three Cy Young awards. ="batmagadanleadoff"] Hint #16. Yogi did it four times as a Yankee. Hint #17. For most of Yogi's Yankee days, this was twice as hard to do as it is now, if not outright impossible. Hint #18. Babe Ruth never did it. So -- George Thomas 3, George Herman 0. Did anyone ever notice how the greatest Met and Yankee are both named George, and how they were both commonly referred to as something other than George? Yogi played for the Yankees in 1958 when Bob Turley won the Cy Young award and in 1961, when Whitey Ford won the award. He coached the Yankees in 1977 when Sparky Lyle won the award and the following season, when Ron Guidry won it. The award didn�t exist prior to 1956, and between 1956 and 1966, only one award was given, instead of the two that are now awarded, -- one for each league. Hint #20. Dwight Bernard did it twice in his career; never as a N.Y. Met. Bernard�s MLB career consisted of two seasons with the Mets (�79 and �80) and then the following two seasons with the Brewers as teammates of Cy Young award winners Rollie Fingers (�81) and Pete Vuckovich (�82). Hint #19. Tommy Davis did it seven times in his career; never as a N.Y. Met. Tommy Davis was a teammate of the following Cy Young award winners in the same seasons that the pitchers won the award: Don Drysdale (�62) Sandy Koufax (�63, �65, �66) Vida Blue (�71) Jim Palmer (73, �75) MFS62 Apr 01 2009 07:50 AM Well played. Good question. Helpful clues. I'd still advise you to have someone else open your packages and start your car for you for a while. Later Zvon Apr 01 2009 12:03 PM ="batmagadanleadoff"]Hint # Last. Sigh. Sigh Young. batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 12:10 PM ="Zvon"] ="batmagadanleadoff"]Hint # Last. Sigh. Sigh Young. Welcome back, man! G-Fafif Apr 01 2009 12:44 PM The answer was kind of, sort of waiting to be divined. A couple of more weeks and I feel I would have caught on. Edgy DC Apr 01 2009 12:48 PM Agreed. Definitely by the All Star Break. batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 03:02 PM If you guys weren't so impatient, my next hint would've been: Ironically, Cy Young never did this. Edgy DC May 07 2009 02:37 PM Tom Seaver Nolan Ryan Dennis Eckersley Rich Gossage Swan Swan H May 07 2009 03:14 PM WAG - Four pitchers who got a win and a save in an All-Star game. Edgy DC May 07 2009 05:25 PM I'm pretty sure this is an exclusive club (though I suspect there might be one more out there). I know that Bruce Sutter has also both won and saved an All Star game. You'd also think Sutter would be part of this list for the reasons I'm looking for, but he's not. batmagadanleadoff May 07 2009 05:28 PM Is this a trivia question? And if so, is there a Met theme (thread title)?

[batmagadanleadoff]

="G-Fafif":l26i4i4l]Played with/coached a Hall of Famer? With/for a Hall of Famer in the World Series? Wayne Garrett had three Hall of Famers in that regard: Seaver, Mays, Ryan (if we're not counting managers). Harrelson would have those guys plus Carter, when he coached, making it four. I haven't value-tested every guy (why not Tug...because he didn't pitch in '69 WS, perhaps), so maybe not, but Dwight Bernard played in a WS with Molitor and Yount, so...I have no idea.[/quote:l26i4i4l] Did you just add this stuff? Anyway, it's got nothing to do with HOF'ers. And remember -- Babe Ruth never did it.

G-Fafif Mar 31 2009 05:01 PM

="batmagadanleadoff":1wu9ddve] ="G-Fafif":1wu9ddve]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:1wu9ddve] No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers. Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider).[/quote:1wu9ddve] Yeah, that occurred to me after. But Spahn, Berra, Snider did not play in WS as Mets. Only Mets HoFers to play in WS as Mets were Nolan, Willie, Tom and Gary; Yogi coached and managed in WS. I don't know that Schmidt played with six HoFers in WS (Carlton, Perez, Morgan...eph the Phils). batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 05:07 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":3qmgs4ht] ="G-Fafif":3qmgs4ht]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:3qmgs4ht] No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers. Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider).[/quote:3qmgs4ht] Kranepool played with those three, plus Ryan, Seaver and Mays -- six HOFers in all, not including HOF managers and coaches (Hornsby, Stengel) batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 05:09 PM ="G-Fafif":3fpqzwke] ="batmagadanleadoff":3fpqzwke] ="G-Fafif":3fpqzwke]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:3fpqzwke] No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers. Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider).[/quote:3fpqzwke] Yeah, that occurred to me after. But Spahn, Berra, Snider did not play in WS as Mets. Only Mets HoFers to play in WS as Mets were Nolan, Willie, Tom and Gary; Yogi coached and managed in WS. I don't know that Schmidt played with six HoFers in WS (Carlton, Perez, Morgan...eph the Phils).[/quote:3fpqzwke] I see. We're playing leapfrog with our posts. Well, it doesn't have anything to do with HOFers, no matter how you slice it. SteveJRogers Mar 31 2009 05:10 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 31 2009 05:12 PM I'm fixated on Buddy's Gold Glove image. Does it have something to do with Met award winners? Huh, or maybe All Star Game Starts... AH HA... All Star Game selections made by someone other than fan voting perhaps? batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 05:12 PM ="SteveJRogers"]I'm fixated on Buddy's Gold Glove image. Does it have something to do with Met award winners? Hey! This isn't What's My Line? G-Fafif Mar 31 2009 05:14 PM SteveJRogers Mar 31 2009 05:16 PM Be in uniform for Opening Day proper (Game 1 of 162) at Shea Stadium? That doesn't make much sense now that I think of it... Didn't it use to alternate until like the last few years the Mets have opened on the road for whatever reason? MFS62 Mar 31 2009 05:24 PM How about that all participated in a game that opened a new staduim? Later Edgy DC Mar 31 2009 05:24 PM These guys, at least three times, have attended the funeral of a Met Hall of Famer. Dead Mets Hall of Famers: Tommie Agee Gil Hodges Tug McGraw Bob Murphy Johnny Murphy Lindsey Nelson Joan Whitney Payson Bill Shea Casey Stengel George Weiss OlerudOwned Mar 31 2009 11:24 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":3ces6an7] ="G-Fafif":3ces6an7]Played with/coached a Hall of Famer? With/for a Hall of Famer in the World Series? Wayne Garrett had three Hall of Famers in that regard: Seaver, Mays, Ryan (if we're not counting managers). Harrelson would have those guys plus Carter, when he coached, making it four. I haven't value-tested every guy (why not Tug...because he didn't pitch in '69 WS, perhaps), so maybe not, but Dwight Bernard played in a WS with Molitor and Yount, so...I have no idea.[/quote:3ces6an7] Did you just add this stuff? Anyway, it's got nothing to do with HOF'ers. And remember -- Babe Ruth never did it.[/quote:3ces6an7] Touched their own toes. TheOldMole Apr 01 2009 06:28 AM Can we give up? Benjamin Grimm Apr 01 2009 07:08 AM We're trying. MFS62 Apr 01 2009 07:13 AM Is it a coincidence that he said he would reveal the answer today? April Fools Day? What if there is no answer? Pitchfiorks and torches. Who's with me? Later seawolf17 Apr 01 2009 07:19 AM I don't mean this in a bad way, but if a trivia question takes sixteen hints and ninety posts without anyone sniffing an answer, I think it's a bit of trivia that would get you fired from the "Jeopardy" clue crew. batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 07:23 AM Alright already. I'll post the answer in about 20 minutes. I would've really liked for someone to have solved the question. Reallly. I didn't set out to be a stumper. Or a sadist. The answer's so easy that when I post it, I guarantee that everyone on this forum will be able to confirm the accuracy of the answer mentally, without having to reference any printed source. metirish Apr 01 2009 07:27 AM Oh just give us the fucking answer for fucks sake , it can only be a disapointment at this stage. MFS62 Apr 01 2009 07:34 AM Come on already. I'm putting curare on my pitchfork. Later batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 07:42 AM What do the following Mets -and no other Mets- have in common: Ed Kranepool, Jerry Koosman, Bud Harrelson, Jerry Grote, Wayne Garrett and Rusty Staub? Hint #5 - Whatever it is that these Mets have in common (Ed Kranepool, Jerry Koosman, Bud Harrelson, Jerry Grote, Wayne Garrett, Rusty Staub and depending on how the answer is phrased - Tom Seaver), they did it three times. Hint #6 - Actually, Bud Harrelson did it four times; thrice as a player and once as a manager/coach. But for the purpose of this question, I only counted the three times Bud did it as a player. The answer is ����. They all played for the Mets in a season --three times-- in which one of their teammates won the Cy Young Award. (Hint #13. Bud Harrelson did it four times. This is the maximum possible number of times that any Met could have accomplished this whatever you wanna call it.) Bud Harrelson did it four times. He played for the Mets for all three of Seaver�s Cy�s, and was a coach for the Mets in �85, the year that Gooden won his Cy Young award. Seaver, of course, can�t be his own teammate, so the answer would have to be re-phrased to work around the word �teammate� in order to include him: something like �these Mets played for the Mets in seasons when a Met won that year�s Cy Young award. ="Edgy DC"]Rusty Staub is the key here, as he is the only non-'69er. This is as good a time as any to segue into hint #7. Hint #7. Rusty's path to this "accomplishment" ("accomplishment" for lack of a better term) was slightly different than that off all the other Mets in the question. All but Rusty were teammates of Seaver in each of the three years when Seaver won the award (�69, �73 and �75). Staub missed Seaver�s first Cy but came back for a second stint with the team in the 80�s and was Gooden�s teammate for Doc�s Cy campaign in �85, Staub�s last season as a major leaguer. Hint # Last. Sigh. Sigh Young. Hint #8. Earlier, I wrote that Cleon Jones just missed making the list. Cleon's omission from the list is a technicality based on the way I chose to phrase the answer, more than anything else. I could rephrase the answer so as to include Cleon Jones. The inclusion of Cleon would then leave about a dozen or so Mets who "accomplished" this bit of trivia twice. Of those dozen or so, the Mets that came the closest to making the list (Kranepool, Koosman, Harrelson, Grote, Garrett, Staub - Seaver & Jones depending on how the answer is phrased) without actually making it are, in no particular order, Ken Boswell, Tug McGraw and Duffy Dyer. Hint #9. Under the narrower Jonesless version of this trivia question, Cleon misses the cut by a few months. Cleon was a Met in �69, �73 and �75, so he�s part of the answer. In my original answer, I excluded Cleon because he wasn�t on the Mets for the entire �75 season. I thought that by including partial seasons, the answer would include too many Mets, and the question would be too confusing. Really. But as it turned out, Cleon was the only Met affected by allowing partial seasons. Boswell, McGraw and Dyer were Mets for Seaver�s first two awards; their careers as Mets concluded at the end of the �74 season. Hint #10. As I said, Bud Harrelson did this four times as a Met, if you include his roster stints as coach and/or manager. Including all Met managerial and coaching stints, add Yogi Berra, Rube Walker, Joe Pignatano and Eddie Yost as Mets who did this three times. All four were in Mets uniforms for each of Seaver�s three Cy Young awards. ="batmagadanleadoff"] Hint #16. Yogi did it four times as a Yankee. Hint #17. For most of Yogi's Yankee days, this was twice as hard to do as it is now, if not outright impossible. Hint #18. Babe Ruth never did it. So -- George Thomas 3, George Herman 0. Did anyone ever notice how the greatest Met and Yankee are both named George, and how they were both commonly referred to as something other than George? Yogi played for the Yankees in 1958 when Bob Turley won the Cy Young award and in 1961, when Whitey Ford won the award. He coached the Yankees in 1977 when Sparky Lyle won the award and the following season, when Ron Guidry won it. The award didn�t exist prior to 1956, and between 1956 and 1966, only one award was given, instead of the two that are now awarded, -- one for each league. Hint #20. Dwight Bernard did it twice in his career; never as a N.Y. Met. Bernard�s MLB career consisted of two seasons with the Mets (�79 and �80) and then the following two seasons with the Brewers as teammates of Cy Young award winners Rollie Fingers (�81) and Pete Vuckovich (�82). Hint #19. Tommy Davis did it seven times in his career; never as a N.Y. Met. Tommy Davis was a teammate of the following Cy Young award winners in the same seasons that the pitchers won the award: Don Drysdale (�62) Sandy Koufax (�63, �65, �66) Vida Blue (�71) Jim Palmer (73, �75) MFS62 Apr 01 2009 07:50 AM Well played. Good question. Helpful clues. I'd still advise you to have someone else open your packages and start your car for you for a while. Later Zvon Apr 01 2009 12:03 PM ="batmagadanleadoff"]Hint # Last. Sigh. Sigh Young. batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 12:10 PM ="Zvon"] ="batmagadanleadoff"]Hint # Last. Sigh. Sigh Young. Welcome back, man! G-Fafif Apr 01 2009 12:44 PM The answer was kind of, sort of waiting to be divined. A couple of more weeks and I feel I would have caught on. Edgy DC Apr 01 2009 12:48 PM Agreed. Definitely by the All Star Break. batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 03:02 PM If you guys weren't so impatient, my next hint would've been: Ironically, Cy Young never did this. Edgy DC May 07 2009 02:37 PM Tom Seaver Nolan Ryan Dennis Eckersley Rich Gossage Swan Swan H May 07 2009 03:14 PM WAG - Four pitchers who got a win and a save in an All-Star game. Edgy DC May 07 2009 05:25 PM I'm pretty sure this is an exclusive club (though I suspect there might be one more out there). I know that Bruce Sutter has also both won and saved an All Star game. You'd also think Sutter would be part of this list for the reasons I'm looking for, but he's not. batmagadanleadoff May 07 2009 05:28 PM Is this a trivia question? And if so, is there a Met theme (thread title)?

[G-Fafif]

="batmagadanleadoff":1wu9ddve] ="G-Fafif":1wu9ddve]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:1wu9ddve] No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers. Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider).[/quote:1wu9ddve] Yeah, that occurred to me after. But Spahn, Berra, Snider did not play in WS as Mets. Only Mets HoFers to play in WS as Mets were Nolan, Willie, Tom and Gary; Yogi coached and managed in WS. I don't know that Schmidt played with six HoFers in WS (Carlton, Perez, Morgan...eph the Phils). batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 05:07 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":3qmgs4ht] ="G-Fafif":3qmgs4ht]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:3qmgs4ht] No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers. Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider).[/quote:3qmgs4ht] Kranepool played with those three, plus Ryan, Seaver and Mays -- six HOFers in all, not including HOF managers and coaches (Hornsby, Stengel) batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 05:09 PM ="G-Fafif":3fpqzwke] ="batmagadanleadoff":3fpqzwke] ="G-Fafif":3fpqzwke]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:3fpqzwke] No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers. Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider).[/quote:3fpqzwke] Yeah, that occurred to me after. But Spahn, Berra, Snider did not play in WS as Mets. Only Mets HoFers to play in WS as Mets were Nolan, Willie, Tom and Gary; Yogi coached and managed in WS. I don't know that Schmidt played with six HoFers in WS (Carlton, Perez, Morgan...eph the Phils).[/quote:3fpqzwke] I see. We're playing leapfrog with our posts. Well, it doesn't have anything to do with HOFers, no matter how you slice it. SteveJRogers Mar 31 2009 05:10 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 31 2009 05:12 PM I'm fixated on Buddy's Gold Glove image. Does it have something to do with Met award winners? Huh, or maybe All Star Game Starts... AH HA... All Star Game selections made by someone other than fan voting perhaps? batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 05:12 PM ="SteveJRogers"]I'm fixated on Buddy's Gold Glove image. Does it have something to do with Met award winners? Hey! This isn't What's My Line? G-Fafif Mar 31 2009 05:14 PM SteveJRogers Mar 31 2009 05:16 PM Be in uniform for Opening Day proper (Game 1 of 162) at Shea Stadium? That doesn't make much sense now that I think of it... Didn't it use to alternate until like the last few years the Mets have opened on the road for whatever reason? MFS62 Mar 31 2009 05:24 PM How about that all participated in a game that opened a new staduim? Later Edgy DC Mar 31 2009 05:24 PM These guys, at least three times, have attended the funeral of a Met Hall of Famer. Dead Mets Hall of Famers: Tommie Agee Gil Hodges Tug McGraw Bob Murphy Johnny Murphy Lindsey Nelson Joan Whitney Payson Bill Shea Casey Stengel George Weiss OlerudOwned Mar 31 2009 11:24 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":3ces6an7] ="G-Fafif":3ces6an7]Played with/coached a Hall of Famer? With/for a Hall of Famer in the World Series? Wayne Garrett had three Hall of Famers in that regard: Seaver, Mays, Ryan (if we're not counting managers). Harrelson would have those guys plus Carter, when he coached, making it four. I haven't value-tested every guy (why not Tug...because he didn't pitch in '69 WS, perhaps), so maybe not, but Dwight Bernard played in a WS with Molitor and Yount, so...I have no idea.[/quote:3ces6an7] Did you just add this stuff? Anyway, it's got nothing to do with HOF'ers. And remember -- Babe Ruth never did it.[/quote:3ces6an7] Touched their own toes. TheOldMole Apr 01 2009 06:28 AM Can we give up? Benjamin Grimm Apr 01 2009 07:08 AM We're trying. MFS62 Apr 01 2009 07:13 AM Is it a coincidence that he said he would reveal the answer today? April Fools Day? What if there is no answer? Pitchfiorks and torches. Who's with me? Later seawolf17 Apr 01 2009 07:19 AM I don't mean this in a bad way, but if a trivia question takes sixteen hints and ninety posts without anyone sniffing an answer, I think it's a bit of trivia that would get you fired from the "Jeopardy" clue crew. batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 07:23 AM Alright already. I'll post the answer in about 20 minutes. I would've really liked for someone to have solved the question. Reallly. I didn't set out to be a stumper. Or a sadist. The answer's so easy that when I post it, I guarantee that everyone on this forum will be able to confirm the accuracy of the answer mentally, without having to reference any printed source. metirish Apr 01 2009 07:27 AM Oh just give us the fucking answer for fucks sake , it can only be a disapointment at this stage. MFS62 Apr 01 2009 07:34 AM Come on already. I'm putting curare on my pitchfork. Later batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 07:42 AM What do the following Mets -and no other Mets- have in common: Ed Kranepool, Jerry Koosman, Bud Harrelson, Jerry Grote, Wayne Garrett and Rusty Staub? Hint #5 - Whatever it is that these Mets have in common (Ed Kranepool, Jerry Koosman, Bud Harrelson, Jerry Grote, Wayne Garrett, Rusty Staub and depending on how the answer is phrased - Tom Seaver), they did it three times. Hint #6 - Actually, Bud Harrelson did it four times; thrice as a player and once as a manager/coach. But for the purpose of this question, I only counted the three times Bud did it as a player. The answer is ����. They all played for the Mets in a season --three times-- in which one of their teammates won the Cy Young Award. (Hint #13. Bud Harrelson did it four times. This is the maximum possible number of times that any Met could have accomplished this whatever you wanna call it.) Bud Harrelson did it four times. He played for the Mets for all three of Seaver�s Cy�s, and was a coach for the Mets in �85, the year that Gooden won his Cy Young award. Seaver, of course, can�t be his own teammate, so the answer would have to be re-phrased to work around the word �teammate� in order to include him: something like �these Mets played for the Mets in seasons when a Met won that year�s Cy Young award. ="Edgy DC"]Rusty Staub is the key here, as he is the only non-'69er. This is as good a time as any to segue into hint #7. Hint #7. Rusty's path to this "accomplishment" ("accomplishment" for lack of a better term) was slightly different than that off all the other Mets in the question. All but Rusty were teammates of Seaver in each of the three years when Seaver won the award (�69, �73 and �75). Staub missed Seaver�s first Cy but came back for a second stint with the team in the 80�s and was Gooden�s teammate for Doc�s Cy campaign in �85, Staub�s last season as a major leaguer. Hint # Last. Sigh. Sigh Young. Hint #8. Earlier, I wrote that Cleon Jones just missed making the list. Cleon's omission from the list is a technicality based on the way I chose to phrase the answer, more than anything else. I could rephrase the answer so as to include Cleon Jones. The inclusion of Cleon would then leave about a dozen or so Mets who "accomplished" this bit of trivia twice. Of those dozen or so, the Mets that came the closest to making the list (Kranepool, Koosman, Harrelson, Grote, Garrett, Staub - Seaver & Jones depending on how the answer is phrased) without actually making it are, in no particular order, Ken Boswell, Tug McGraw and Duffy Dyer. Hint #9. Under the narrower Jonesless version of this trivia question, Cleon misses the cut by a few months. Cleon was a Met in �69, �73 and �75, so he�s part of the answer. In my original answer, I excluded Cleon because he wasn�t on the Mets for the entire �75 season. I thought that by including partial seasons, the answer would include too many Mets, and the question would be too confusing. Really. But as it turned out, Cleon was the only Met affected by allowing partial seasons. Boswell, McGraw and Dyer were Mets for Seaver�s first two awards; their careers as Mets concluded at the end of the �74 season. Hint #10. As I said, Bud Harrelson did this four times as a Met, if you include his roster stints as coach and/or manager. Including all Met managerial and coaching stints, add Yogi Berra, Rube Walker, Joe Pignatano and Eddie Yost as Mets who did this three times. All four were in Mets uniforms for each of Seaver�s three Cy Young awards. ="batmagadanleadoff"] Hint #16. Yogi did it four times as a Yankee. Hint #17. For most of Yogi's Yankee days, this was twice as hard to do as it is now, if not outright impossible. Hint #18. Babe Ruth never did it. So -- George Thomas 3, George Herman 0. Did anyone ever notice how the greatest Met and Yankee are both named George, and how they were both commonly referred to as something other than George? Yogi played for the Yankees in 1958 when Bob Turley won the Cy Young award and in 1961, when Whitey Ford won the award. He coached the Yankees in 1977 when Sparky Lyle won the award and the following season, when Ron Guidry won it. The award didn�t exist prior to 1956, and between 1956 and 1966, only one award was given, instead of the two that are now awarded, -- one for each league. Hint #20. Dwight Bernard did it twice in his career; never as a N.Y. Met. Bernard�s MLB career consisted of two seasons with the Mets (�79 and �80) and then the following two seasons with the Brewers as teammates of Cy Young award winners Rollie Fingers (�81) and Pete Vuckovich (�82). Hint #19. Tommy Davis did it seven times in his career; never as a N.Y. Met. Tommy Davis was a teammate of the following Cy Young award winners in the same seasons that the pitchers won the award: Don Drysdale (�62) Sandy Koufax (�63, �65, �66) Vida Blue (�71) Jim Palmer (73, �75) MFS62 Apr 01 2009 07:50 AM Well played. Good question. Helpful clues. I'd still advise you to have someone else open your packages and start your car for you for a while. Later Zvon Apr 01 2009 12:03 PM ="batmagadanleadoff"]Hint # Last. Sigh. Sigh Young. batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 12:10 PM ="Zvon"] ="batmagadanleadoff"]Hint # Last. Sigh. Sigh Young. Welcome back, man! G-Fafif Apr 01 2009 12:44 PM The answer was kind of, sort of waiting to be divined. A couple of more weeks and I feel I would have caught on. Edgy DC Apr 01 2009 12:48 PM Agreed. Definitely by the All Star Break. batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 03:02 PM If you guys weren't so impatient, my next hint would've been: Ironically, Cy Young never did this. Edgy DC May 07 2009 02:37 PM Tom Seaver Nolan Ryan Dennis Eckersley Rich Gossage Swan Swan H May 07 2009 03:14 PM WAG - Four pitchers who got a win and a save in an All-Star game. Edgy DC May 07 2009 05:25 PM I'm pretty sure this is an exclusive club (though I suspect there might be one more out there). I know that Bruce Sutter has also both won and saved an All Star game. You'd also think Sutter would be part of this list for the reasons I'm looking for, but he's not. batmagadanleadoff May 07 2009 05:28 PM Is this a trivia question? And if so, is there a Met theme (thread title)?

[batmagadanleadoff]

="batmagadanleadoff":3qmgs4ht] ="G-Fafif":3qmgs4ht]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:3qmgs4ht] No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers. Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider).[/quote:3qmgs4ht] Kranepool played with those three, plus Ryan, Seaver and Mays -- six HOFers in all, not including HOF managers and coaches (Hornsby, Stengel) batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 05:09 PM ="G-Fafif":3fpqzwke] ="batmagadanleadoff":3fpqzwke] ="G-Fafif":3fpqzwke]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:3fpqzwke] No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers. Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider).[/quote:3fpqzwke] Yeah, that occurred to me after. But Spahn, Berra, Snider did not play in WS as Mets. Only Mets HoFers to play in WS as Mets were Nolan, Willie, Tom and Gary; Yogi coached and managed in WS. I don't know that Schmidt played with six HoFers in WS (Carlton, Perez, Morgan...eph the Phils).[/quote:3fpqzwke] I see. We're playing leapfrog with our posts. Well, it doesn't have anything to do with HOFers, no matter how you slice it. SteveJRogers Mar 31 2009 05:10 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 31 2009 05:12 PM I'm fixated on Buddy's Gold Glove image. Does it have something to do with Met award winners? Huh, or maybe All Star Game Starts... AH HA... All Star Game selections made by someone other than fan voting perhaps? batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 05:12 PM ="SteveJRogers"]I'm fixated on Buddy's Gold Glove image. Does it have something to do with Met award winners? Hey! This isn't What's My Line? G-Fafif Mar 31 2009 05:14 PM SteveJRogers Mar 31 2009 05:16 PM Be in uniform for Opening Day proper (Game 1 of 162) at Shea Stadium? That doesn't make much sense now that I think of it... Didn't it use to alternate until like the last few years the Mets have opened on the road for whatever reason? MFS62 Mar 31 2009 05:24 PM How about that all participated in a game that opened a new staduim? Later Edgy DC Mar 31 2009 05:24 PM These guys, at least three times, have attended the funeral of a Met Hall of Famer. Dead Mets Hall of Famers: Tommie Agee Gil Hodges Tug McGraw Bob Murphy Johnny Murphy Lindsey Nelson Joan Whitney Payson Bill Shea Casey Stengel George Weiss OlerudOwned Mar 31 2009 11:24 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":3ces6an7] ="G-Fafif":3ces6an7]Played with/coached a Hall of Famer? With/for a Hall of Famer in the World Series? Wayne Garrett had three Hall of Famers in that regard: Seaver, Mays, Ryan (if we're not counting managers). Harrelson would have those guys plus Carter, when he coached, making it four. I haven't value-tested every guy (why not Tug...because he didn't pitch in '69 WS, perhaps), so maybe not, but Dwight Bernard played in a WS with Molitor and Yount, so...I have no idea.[/quote:3ces6an7] Did you just add this stuff? Anyway, it's got nothing to do with HOF'ers. And remember -- Babe Ruth never did it.[/quote:3ces6an7] Touched their own toes. TheOldMole Apr 01 2009 06:28 AM Can we give up? Benjamin Grimm Apr 01 2009 07:08 AM We're trying. MFS62 Apr 01 2009 07:13 AM Is it a coincidence that he said he would reveal the answer today? April Fools Day? What if there is no answer? Pitchfiorks and torches. Who's with me? Later seawolf17 Apr 01 2009 07:19 AM I don't mean this in a bad way, but if a trivia question takes sixteen hints and ninety posts without anyone sniffing an answer, I think it's a bit of trivia that would get you fired from the "Jeopardy" clue crew. batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 07:23 AM Alright already. I'll post the answer in about 20 minutes. I would've really liked for someone to have solved the question. Reallly. I didn't set out to be a stumper. Or a sadist. The answer's so easy that when I post it, I guarantee that everyone on this forum will be able to confirm the accuracy of the answer mentally, without having to reference any printed source. metirish Apr 01 2009 07:27 AM Oh just give us the fucking answer for fucks sake , it can only be a disapointment at this stage. MFS62 Apr 01 2009 07:34 AM Come on already. I'm putting curare on my pitchfork. Later batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 07:42 AM What do the following Mets -and no other Mets- have in common: Ed Kranepool, Jerry Koosman, Bud Harrelson, Jerry Grote, Wayne Garrett and Rusty Staub? Hint #5 - Whatever it is that these Mets have in common (Ed Kranepool, Jerry Koosman, Bud Harrelson, Jerry Grote, Wayne Garrett, Rusty Staub and depending on how the answer is phrased - Tom Seaver), they did it three times. Hint #6 - Actually, Bud Harrelson did it four times; thrice as a player and once as a manager/coach. But for the purpose of this question, I only counted the three times Bud did it as a player. The answer is ����. They all played for the Mets in a season --three times-- in which one of their teammates won the Cy Young Award. (Hint #13. Bud Harrelson did it four times. This is the maximum possible number of times that any Met could have accomplished this whatever you wanna call it.) Bud Harrelson did it four times. He played for the Mets for all three of Seaver�s Cy�s, and was a coach for the Mets in �85, the year that Gooden won his Cy Young award. Seaver, of course, can�t be his own teammate, so the answer would have to be re-phrased to work around the word �teammate� in order to include him: something like �these Mets played for the Mets in seasons when a Met won that year�s Cy Young award. ="Edgy DC"]Rusty Staub is the key here, as he is the only non-'69er. This is as good a time as any to segue into hint #7. Hint #7. Rusty's path to this "accomplishment" ("accomplishment" for lack of a better term) was slightly different than that off all the other Mets in the question. All but Rusty were teammates of Seaver in each of the three years when Seaver won the award (�69, �73 and �75). Staub missed Seaver�s first Cy but came back for a second stint with the team in the 80�s and was Gooden�s teammate for Doc�s Cy campaign in �85, Staub�s last season as a major leaguer. Hint # Last. Sigh. Sigh Young. Hint #8. Earlier, I wrote that Cleon Jones just missed making the list. Cleon's omission from the list is a technicality based on the way I chose to phrase the answer, more than anything else. I could rephrase the answer so as to include Cleon Jones. The inclusion of Cleon would then leave about a dozen or so Mets who "accomplished" this bit of trivia twice. Of those dozen or so, the Mets that came the closest to making the list (Kranepool, Koosman, Harrelson, Grote, Garrett, Staub - Seaver & Jones depending on how the answer is phrased) without actually making it are, in no particular order, Ken Boswell, Tug McGraw and Duffy Dyer. Hint #9. Under the narrower Jonesless version of this trivia question, Cleon misses the cut by a few months. Cleon was a Met in �69, �73 and �75, so he�s part of the answer. In my original answer, I excluded Cleon because he wasn�t on the Mets for the entire �75 season. I thought that by including partial seasons, the answer would include too many Mets, and the question would be too confusing. Really. But as it turned out, Cleon was the only Met affected by allowing partial seasons. Boswell, McGraw and Dyer were Mets for Seaver�s first two awards; their careers as Mets concluded at the end of the �74 season. Hint #10. As I said, Bud Harrelson did this four times as a Met, if you include his roster stints as coach and/or manager. Including all Met managerial and coaching stints, add Yogi Berra, Rube Walker, Joe Pignatano and Eddie Yost as Mets who did this three times. All four were in Mets uniforms for each of Seaver�s three Cy Young awards. ="batmagadanleadoff"] Hint #16. Yogi did it four times as a Yankee. Hint #17. For most of Yogi's Yankee days, this was twice as hard to do as it is now, if not outright impossible. Hint #18. Babe Ruth never did it. So -- George Thomas 3, George Herman 0. Did anyone ever notice how the greatest Met and Yankee are both named George, and how they were both commonly referred to as something other than George? Yogi played for the Yankees in 1958 when Bob Turley won the Cy Young award and in 1961, when Whitey Ford won the award. He coached the Yankees in 1977 when Sparky Lyle won the award and the following season, when Ron Guidry won it. The award didn�t exist prior to 1956, and between 1956 and 1966, only one award was given, instead of the two that are now awarded, -- one for each league. Hint #20. Dwight Bernard did it twice in his career; never as a N.Y. Met. Bernard�s MLB career consisted of two seasons with the Mets (�79 and �80) and then the following two seasons with the Brewers as teammates of Cy Young award winners Rollie Fingers (�81) and Pete Vuckovich (�82). Hint #19. Tommy Davis did it seven times in his career; never as a N.Y. Met. Tommy Davis was a teammate of the following Cy Young award winners in the same seasons that the pitchers won the award: Don Drysdale (�62) Sandy Koufax (�63, �65, �66) Vida Blue (�71) Jim Palmer (73, �75) MFS62 Apr 01 2009 07:50 AM Well played. Good question. Helpful clues. I'd still advise you to have someone else open your packages and start your car for you for a while. Later Zvon Apr 01 2009 12:03 PM ="batmagadanleadoff"]Hint # Last. Sigh. Sigh Young. batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 12:10 PM ="Zvon"] ="batmagadanleadoff"]Hint # Last. Sigh. Sigh Young. Welcome back, man! G-Fafif Apr 01 2009 12:44 PM The answer was kind of, sort of waiting to be divined. A couple of more weeks and I feel I would have caught on. Edgy DC Apr 01 2009 12:48 PM Agreed. Definitely by the All Star Break. batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 03:02 PM If you guys weren't so impatient, my next hint would've been: Ironically, Cy Young never did this. Edgy DC May 07 2009 02:37 PM Tom Seaver Nolan Ryan Dennis Eckersley Rich Gossage Swan Swan H May 07 2009 03:14 PM WAG - Four pitchers who got a win and a save in an All-Star game. Edgy DC May 07 2009 05:25 PM I'm pretty sure this is an exclusive club (though I suspect there might be one more out there). I know that Bruce Sutter has also both won and saved an All Star game. You'd also think Sutter would be part of this list for the reasons I'm looking for, but he's not. batmagadanleadoff May 07 2009 05:28 PM Is this a trivia question? And if so, is there a Met theme (thread title)?

[batmagadanleadoff]

="G-Fafif":3fpqzwke] ="batmagadanleadoff":3fpqzwke] ="G-Fafif":3fpqzwke]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:3fpqzwke] No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers. Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider).[/quote:3fpqzwke] Yeah, that occurred to me after. But Spahn, Berra, Snider did not play in WS as Mets. Only Mets HoFers to play in WS as Mets were Nolan, Willie, Tom and Gary; Yogi coached and managed in WS. I don't know that Schmidt played with six HoFers in WS (Carlton, Perez, Morgan...eph the Phils).[/quote:3fpqzwke] I see. We're playing leapfrog with our posts. Well, it doesn't have anything to do with HOFers, no matter how you slice it. SteveJRogers Mar 31 2009 05:10 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 31 2009 05:12 PM I'm fixated on Buddy's Gold Glove image. Does it have something to do with Met award winners? Huh, or maybe All Star Game Starts... AH HA... All Star Game selections made by someone other than fan voting perhaps? batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 05:12 PM ="SteveJRogers"]I'm fixated on Buddy's Gold Glove image. Does it have something to do with Met award winners? Hey! This isn't What's My Line? G-Fafif Mar 31 2009 05:14 PM SteveJRogers Mar 31 2009 05:16 PM Be in uniform for Opening Day proper (Game 1 of 162) at Shea Stadium? That doesn't make much sense now that I think of it... Didn't it use to alternate until like the last few years the Mets have opened on the road for whatever reason? MFS62 Mar 31 2009 05:24 PM How about that all participated in a game that opened a new staduim? Later Edgy DC Mar 31 2009 05:24 PM These guys, at least three times, have attended the funeral of a Met Hall of Famer. Dead Mets Hall of Famers: Tommie Agee Gil Hodges Tug McGraw Bob Murphy Johnny Murphy Lindsey Nelson Joan Whitney Payson Bill Shea Casey Stengel George Weiss OlerudOwned Mar 31 2009 11:24 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":3ces6an7] ="G-Fafif":3ces6an7]Played with/coached a Hall of Famer? With/for a Hall of Famer in the World Series? Wayne Garrett had three Hall of Famers in that regard: Seaver, Mays, Ryan (if we're not counting managers). Harrelson would have those guys plus Carter, when he coached, making it four. I haven't value-tested every guy (why not Tug...because he didn't pitch in '69 WS, perhaps), so maybe not, but Dwight Bernard played in a WS with Molitor and Yount, so...I have no idea.[/quote:3ces6an7] Did you just add this stuff? Anyway, it's got nothing to do with HOF'ers. And remember -- Babe Ruth never did it.[/quote:3ces6an7] Touched their own toes. TheOldMole Apr 01 2009 06:28 AM Can we give up? Benjamin Grimm Apr 01 2009 07:08 AM We're trying. MFS62 Apr 01 2009 07:13 AM Is it a coincidence that he said he would reveal the answer today? April Fools Day? What if there is no answer? Pitchfiorks and torches. Who's with me? Later seawolf17 Apr 01 2009 07:19 AM I don't mean this in a bad way, but if a trivia question takes sixteen hints and ninety posts without anyone sniffing an answer, I think it's a bit of trivia that would get you fired from the "Jeopardy" clue crew. batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 07:23 AM Alright already. I'll post the answer in about 20 minutes. I would've really liked for someone to have solved the question. Reallly. I didn't set out to be a stumper. Or a sadist. The answer's so easy that when I post it, I guarantee that everyone on this forum will be able to confirm the accuracy of the answer mentally, without having to reference any printed source. metirish Apr 01 2009 07:27 AM Oh just give us the fucking answer for fucks sake , it can only be a disapointment at this stage. MFS62 Apr 01 2009 07:34 AM Come on already. I'm putting curare on my pitchfork. Later batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 07:42 AM What do the following Mets -and no other Mets- have in common: Ed Kranepool, Jerry Koosman, Bud Harrelson, Jerry Grote, Wayne Garrett and Rusty Staub? Hint #5 - Whatever it is that these Mets have in common (Ed Kranepool, Jerry Koosman, Bud Harrelson, Jerry Grote, Wayne Garrett, Rusty Staub and depending on how the answer is phrased - Tom Seaver), they did it three times. Hint #6 - Actually, Bud Harrelson did it four times; thrice as a player and once as a manager/coach. But for the purpose of this question, I only counted the three times Bud did it as a player. The answer is ����. They all played for the Mets in a season --three times-- in which one of their teammates won the Cy Young Award. (Hint #13. Bud Harrelson did it four times. This is the maximum possible number of times that any Met could have accomplished this whatever you wanna call it.) Bud Harrelson did it four times. He played for the Mets for all three of Seaver�s Cy�s, and was a coach for the Mets in �85, the year that Gooden won his Cy Young award. Seaver, of course, can�t be his own teammate, so the answer would have to be re-phrased to work around the word �teammate� in order to include him: something like �these Mets played for the Mets in seasons when a Met won that year�s Cy Young award. ="Edgy DC"]Rusty Staub is the key here, as he is the only non-'69er. This is as good a time as any to segue into hint #7. Hint #7. Rusty's path to this "accomplishment" ("accomplishment" for lack of a better term) was slightly different than that off all the other Mets in the question. All but Rusty were teammates of Seaver in each of the three years when Seaver won the award (�69, �73 and �75). Staub missed Seaver�s first Cy but came back for a second stint with the team in the 80�s and was Gooden�s teammate for Doc�s Cy campaign in �85, Staub�s last season as a major leaguer. Hint # Last. Sigh. Sigh Young. Hint #8. Earlier, I wrote that Cleon Jones just missed making the list. Cleon's omission from the list is a technicality based on the way I chose to phrase the answer, more than anything else. I could rephrase the answer so as to include Cleon Jones. The inclusion of Cleon would then leave about a dozen or so Mets who "accomplished" this bit of trivia twice. Of those dozen or so, the Mets that came the closest to making the list (Kranepool, Koosman, Harrelson, Grote, Garrett, Staub - Seaver & Jones depending on how the answer is phrased) without actually making it are, in no particular order, Ken Boswell, Tug McGraw and Duffy Dyer. Hint #9. Under the narrower Jonesless version of this trivia question, Cleon misses the cut by a few months. Cleon was a Met in �69, �73 and �75, so he�s part of the answer. In my original answer, I excluded Cleon because he wasn�t on the Mets for the entire �75 season. I thought that by including partial seasons, the answer would include too many Mets, and the question would be too confusing. Really. But as it turned out, Cleon was the only Met affected by allowing partial seasons. Boswell, McGraw and Dyer were Mets for Seaver�s first two awards; their careers as Mets concluded at the end of the �74 season. Hint #10. As I said, Bud Harrelson did this four times as a Met, if you include his roster stints as coach and/or manager. Including all Met managerial and coaching stints, add Yogi Berra, Rube Walker, Joe Pignatano and Eddie Yost as Mets who did this three times. All four were in Mets uniforms for each of Seaver�s three Cy Young awards. ="batmagadanleadoff"] Hint #16. Yogi did it four times as a Yankee. Hint #17. For most of Yogi's Yankee days, this was twice as hard to do as it is now, if not outright impossible. Hint #18. Babe Ruth never did it. So -- George Thomas 3, George Herman 0. Did anyone ever notice how the greatest Met and Yankee are both named George, and how they were both commonly referred to as something other than George? Yogi played for the Yankees in 1958 when Bob Turley won the Cy Young award and in 1961, when Whitey Ford won the award. He coached the Yankees in 1977 when Sparky Lyle won the award and the following season, when Ron Guidry won it. The award didn�t exist prior to 1956, and between 1956 and 1966, only one award was given, instead of the two that are now awarded, -- one for each league. Hint #20. Dwight Bernard did it twice in his career; never as a N.Y. Met. Bernard�s MLB career consisted of two seasons with the Mets (�79 and �80) and then the following two seasons with the Brewers as teammates of Cy Young award winners Rollie Fingers (�81) and Pete Vuckovich (�82). Hint #19. Tommy Davis did it seven times in his career; never as a N.Y. Met. Tommy Davis was a teammate of the following Cy Young award winners in the same seasons that the pitchers won the award: Don Drysdale (�62) Sandy Koufax (�63, �65, �66) Vida Blue (�71) Jim Palmer (73, �75) MFS62 Apr 01 2009 07:50 AM Well played. Good question. Helpful clues. I'd still advise you to have someone else open your packages and start your car for you for a while. Later Zvon Apr 01 2009 12:03 PM ="batmagadanleadoff"]Hint # Last. Sigh. Sigh Young. batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 12:10 PM ="Zvon"] ="batmagadanleadoff"]Hint # Last. Sigh. Sigh Young. Welcome back, man! G-Fafif Apr 01 2009 12:44 PM The answer was kind of, sort of waiting to be divined. A couple of more weeks and I feel I would have caught on. Edgy DC Apr 01 2009 12:48 PM Agreed. Definitely by the All Star Break. batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 03:02 PM If you guys weren't so impatient, my next hint would've been: Ironically, Cy Young never did this. Edgy DC May 07 2009 02:37 PM Tom Seaver Nolan Ryan Dennis Eckersley Rich Gossage Swan Swan H May 07 2009 03:14 PM WAG - Four pitchers who got a win and a save in an All-Star game. Edgy DC May 07 2009 05:25 PM I'm pretty sure this is an exclusive club (though I suspect there might be one more out there). I know that Bruce Sutter has also both won and saved an All Star game. You'd also think Sutter would be part of this list for the reasons I'm looking for, but he's not. batmagadanleadoff May 07 2009 05:28 PM Is this a trivia question? And if so, is there a Met theme (thread title)?

[stevejrogers]

I'm fixated on Buddy's Gold Glove image.

Does it have something to do with Met award winners?

Huh, or maybe All Star Game Starts...

AH HA... All Star Game selections made by someone other than fan voting perhaps?

[batmagadanleadoff]

="SteveJRogers"]I'm fixated on Buddy's Gold Glove image. Does it have something to do with Met award winners?

Hey! This isn't What's My Line?

[G-Fafif]

[stevejrogers]

Be in uniform for Opening Day proper (Game 1 of 162) at Shea Stadium?

That doesn't make much sense now that I think of it... Didn't it use to alternate until like the last few years the Mets have opened on the road for whatever reason?

[MFS62]

How about that all participated in a game that opened a new staduim?

Later

[Guest Edgy DC]

These guys, at least three times, have attended the funeral of a Met Hall of Famer.

Dead Mets Hall of Famers:

Tommie Agee
Gil Hodges
Tug McGraw
Bob Murphy
Johnny Murphy
Lindsey Nelson
Joan Whitney Payson
Bill Shea
Casey Stengel
George Weiss

[Guest OlerudOwned]

="batmagadanleadoff":3ces6an7] ="G-Fafif":3ces6an7]Played with/coached a Hall of Famer? With/for a Hall of Famer in the World Series? Wayne Garrett had three Hall of Famers in that regard: Seaver, Mays, Ryan (if we're not counting managers). Harrelson would have those guys plus Carter, when he coached, making it four. I haven't value-tested every guy (why not Tug...because he didn't pitch in '69 WS, perhaps), so maybe not, but Dwight Bernard played in a WS with Molitor and Yount, so...I have no idea.[/quote:3ces6an7] Did you just add this stuff? Anyway, it's got nothing to do with HOF'ers. And remember -- Babe Ruth never did it.[/quote:3ces6an7] Touched their own toes. TheOldMole Apr 01 2009 06:28 AM Can we give up? Benjamin Grimm Apr 01 2009 07:08 AM We're trying. MFS62 Apr 01 2009 07:13 AM Is it a coincidence that he said he would reveal the answer today? April Fools Day? What if there is no answer? Pitchfiorks and torches. Who's with me? Later seawolf17 Apr 01 2009 07:19 AM I don't mean this in a bad way, but if a trivia question takes sixteen hints and ninety posts without anyone sniffing an answer, I think it's a bit of trivia that would get you fired from the "Jeopardy" clue crew. batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 07:23 AM Alright already. I'll post the answer in about 20 minutes. I would've really liked for someone to have solved the question. Reallly. I didn't set out to be a stumper. Or a sadist. The answer's so easy that when I post it, I guarantee that everyone on this forum will be able to confirm the accuracy of the answer mentally, without having to reference any printed source. metirish Apr 01 2009 07:27 AM Oh just give us the fucking answer for fucks sake , it can only be a disapointment at this stage. MFS62 Apr 01 2009 07:34 AM Come on already. I'm putting curare on my pitchfork. Later batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 07:42 AM What do the following Mets -and no other Mets- have in common: Ed Kranepool, Jerry Koosman, Bud Harrelson, Jerry Grote, Wayne Garrett and Rusty Staub? Hint #5 - Whatever it is that these Mets have in common (Ed Kranepool, Jerry Koosman, Bud Harrelson, Jerry Grote, Wayne Garrett, Rusty Staub and depending on how the answer is phrased - Tom Seaver), they did it three times. Hint #6 - Actually, Bud Harrelson did it four times; thrice as a player and once as a manager/coach. But for the purpose of this question, I only counted the three times Bud did it as a player. The answer is ����. They all played for the Mets in a season --three times-- in which one of their teammates won the Cy Young Award. (Hint #13. Bud Harrelson did it four times. This is the maximum possible number of times that any Met could have accomplished this whatever you wanna call it.) Bud Harrelson did it four times. He played for the Mets for all three of Seaver�s Cy�s, and was a coach for the Mets in �85, the year that Gooden won his Cy Young award. Seaver, of course, can�t be his own teammate, so the answer would have to be re-phrased to work around the word �teammate� in order to include him: something like �these Mets played for the Mets in seasons when a Met won that year�s Cy Young award. ="Edgy DC"]Rusty Staub is the key here, as he is the only non-'69er. This is as good a time as any to segue into hint #7. Hint #7. Rusty's path to this "accomplishment" ("accomplishment" for lack of a better term) was slightly different than that off all the other Mets in the question. All but Rusty were teammates of Seaver in each of the three years when Seaver won the award (�69, �73 and �75). Staub missed Seaver�s first Cy but came back for a second stint with the team in the 80�s and was Gooden�s teammate for Doc�s Cy campaign in �85, Staub�s last season as a major leaguer. Hint # Last. Sigh. Sigh Young. Hint #8. Earlier, I wrote that Cleon Jones just missed making the list. Cleon's omission from the list is a technicality based on the way I chose to phrase the answer, more than anything else. I could rephrase the answer so as to include Cleon Jones. The inclusion of Cleon would then leave about a dozen or so Mets who "accomplished" this bit of trivia twice. Of those dozen or so, the Mets that came the closest to making the list (Kranepool, Koosman, Harrelson, Grote, Garrett, Staub - Seaver & Jones depending on how the answer is phrased) without actually making it are, in no particular order, Ken Boswell, Tug McGraw and Duffy Dyer. Hint #9. Under the narrower Jonesless version of this trivia question, Cleon misses the cut by a few months. Cleon was a Met in �69, �73 and �75, so he�s part of the answer. In my original answer, I excluded Cleon because he wasn�t on the Mets for the entire �75 season. I thought that by including partial seasons, the answer would include too many Mets, and the question would be too confusing. Really. But as it turned out, Cleon was the only Met affected by allowing partial seasons. Boswell, McGraw and Dyer were Mets for Seaver�s first two awards; their careers as Mets concluded at the end of the �74 season. Hint #10. As I said, Bud Harrelson did this four times as a Met, if you include his roster stints as coach and/or manager. Including all Met managerial and coaching stints, add Yogi Berra, Rube Walker, Joe Pignatano and Eddie Yost as Mets who did this three times. All four were in Mets uniforms for each of Seaver�s three Cy Young awards. ="batmagadanleadoff"] Hint #16. Yogi did it four times as a Yankee. Hint #17. For most of Yogi's Yankee days, this was twice as hard to do as it is now, if not outright impossible. Hint #18. Babe Ruth never did it. So -- George Thomas 3, George Herman 0. Did anyone ever notice how the greatest Met and Yankee are both named George, and how they were both commonly referred to as something other than George? Yogi played for the Yankees in 1958 when Bob Turley won the Cy Young award and in 1961, when Whitey Ford won the award. He coached the Yankees in 1977 when Sparky Lyle won the award and the following season, when Ron Guidry won it. The award didn�t exist prior to 1956, and between 1956 and 1966, only one award was given, instead of the two that are now awarded, -- one for each league. Hint #20. Dwight Bernard did it twice in his career; never as a N.Y. Met. Bernard�s MLB career consisted of two seasons with the Mets (�79 and �80) and then the following two seasons with the Brewers as teammates of Cy Young award winners Rollie Fingers (�81) and Pete Vuckovich (�82). Hint #19. Tommy Davis did it seven times in his career; never as a N.Y. Met. Tommy Davis was a teammate of the following Cy Young award winners in the same seasons that the pitchers won the award: Don Drysdale (�62) Sandy Koufax (�63, �65, �66) Vida Blue (�71) Jim Palmer (73, �75) MFS62 Apr 01 2009 07:50 AM Well played. Good question. Helpful clues. I'd still advise you to have someone else open your packages and start your car for you for a while. Later Zvon Apr 01 2009 12:03 PM ="batmagadanleadoff"]Hint # Last. Sigh. Sigh Young. batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 12:10 PM ="Zvon"] ="batmagadanleadoff"]Hint # Last. Sigh. Sigh Young. Welcome back, man! G-Fafif Apr 01 2009 12:44 PM The answer was kind of, sort of waiting to be divined. A couple of more weeks and I feel I would have caught on. Edgy DC Apr 01 2009 12:48 PM Agreed. Definitely by the All Star Break. batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 03:02 PM If you guys weren't so impatient, my next hint would've been: Ironically, Cy Young never did this. Edgy DC May 07 2009 02:37 PM Tom Seaver Nolan Ryan Dennis Eckersley Rich Gossage Swan Swan H May 07 2009 03:14 PM WAG - Four pitchers who got a win and a save in an All-Star game. Edgy DC May 07 2009 05:25 PM I'm pretty sure this is an exclusive club (though I suspect there might be one more out there). I know that Bruce Sutter has also both won and saved an All Star game. You'd also think Sutter would be part of this list for the reasons I'm looking for, but he's not. batmagadanleadoff May 07 2009 05:28 PM Is this a trivia question? And if so, is there a Met theme (thread title)?