You're Entering A World of Pain (2009 Injuries)

[seawolf17]

Could the reason have something to do with tighter PED testing?[/quote:1d4y6bbq]
I think that makes a lot of sense. Gary was talking about amphetamines the other night... I think there's a lot to it. These sons of pitching coaches have been mollycoddled their whole lives, and now that they can't get their meds, they break down. Eff 'em.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Also, it seems like a record-breaking year for this-guy-needs-mechanical-adjustment/this-guy-sucks DLing (a la Wang). Has it been this way all along (and merely gone uncovered)?

[nymr83]

from Yahoo Sports, just a quick glance at where the injured guys are

Medical Watch: RHP John Maine(notes) (right shoulder fatigue) went on the 15-day disabled list retroactive to June 7. He made a rehab appearance with Class A St. Lucie on June 22. He was scratched from a June 27 start with Class A Brooklyn. CF Carlos Beltran (bone bruise in right knee) went on the 15-day disabled list June 22. He is not expected back before the All-Star break, but he won�t need surgery. LHP Oliver Perez (right knee inflammation) went on the 15-day disabled list retroactive to May 3. He pitched in extended spring training games May 16 and May 21. He began a rehab assignment with Class AAA Buffalo on May 26, but he was scratched from a May 31 start because of continued knee trouble. He began a new minor league rehab assignment June 22, and he is expected to be activated for a start July 8. RHP J.J. Putz(notes) (bone spur in right elbow) went on the 60-day disabled list June 5. He had surgery June 9, and he is expected to miss 10 to 12 weeks. OF Angel Pagan(notes) (strained right groin) went on the 15-day disabled list June 1. He might begin a rehab assignment in early July. INF Ramon Martinez(notes) (fractured left pinkie) went on the 15-day disabled list June 3, and he was transferred to the 60-day DL on June 19. He had surgery June 4. SS Jose Reyes (right calf tendinitis) went on the 15-day disabled list retroactive to May 21. He left an extended spring training game June 3 and was diagnosed with a small hamstring tear. He could return in July. 1B Carlos Delgado(notes) (labrum tear in right hip) went on the 15-day disabled list retroactive to May 11, and he was transferred to the 60-day DL on June 5. He had surgery May 19, and he won�t return before late July. LHP Billy Wagner(notes) (Tommy John surgery in September 2008) went on the 15-day disabled list retroactive to March 27, and he was transferred to the 60-day disabled list on June 5. He was throwing bullpen sessions in mid-June, and he hopes to return by August.

[DocTee]

More from Schmidt:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/08/sports/baseball/08injuries.html?hp

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Gone largely unmentioned in this festivale de hand-wringing of late: Fernando Martinez, day-to-day (but without playing in 4 games) with right knee pain/discomfort. Yay!

http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/07/fernando-martinez-not-in-the-lineup-due-to-a-sore-knee.html

[Guest Edgy DC]

Rubin updates injuries.

An MRI showed

Carlos Beltran

still has a significant enough bone bruise in his right knee to not be cleared to begin even jogging. "It hasn�t gone down sufficient enough to get to an area where he can start sprinting and playing," Minaya said.

Fernando Martinez

has

undergone surgery

on his right knee to repair a torn meniscus. He will be out six to eight weeks.

John Maine

threw live batting practice today to J

ose Reyes

. Maine may be in a game within 10 days. Minaya said there's a possiblity that Maine and Reyes could be back by the end of the month, but those are the only ones, and that's doesn't seem the likelihood. Reyes is running, but he's not cutting the bases.

"We hopefully will get him on the basepaths soon," Minaya said about Reyes. "We are much closer today than a week ago."

Minaya said there's no discussion of surgery right now with Beltran. "Down the line if it doesn�t go down it�s something that will have to be evaluated," Minaya said.

Carlos Delgado

is swinging a bat, with August still eyed.

[Guest themetfairy]

Holy fucking shit....

[MFS62]

Holy fucking shit....[/quote:2kfhmvj9]
A brief, but accurate, description.
I'm tellin' ya'. Compared to the Mets, there was a higher survival rate at the Alamo.

Later

[dgwphotography]

Does this team employ the three stooges for doctors? It's not just the number of injuries, it's how so many of them have been misdiagnosed and mistreated...

[Frayed Knot]

I know blaming Met doctors has been fashionable since the Ryan Church concussion days but I'm missing what's being misdiagnosed and mistreated here.
Mainly I think this is becoming an all-too-easy and almost knee-jerk reaction when guys don't get back as quickly as we'd like them to.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Fartinez had a pretty minor procedure that in some cases isn't required treatment for the type of injury he had. There's no negligence there.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

I know blaming Met doctors has been fashionable since the Ryan Church concussion days but I'm missing what's being misdiagnosed and mistreated here.
Mainly I think this is becoming an all-too-easy and almost knee-jerk reaction when guys don't get back as quickly as we'd like them to.[/quote:3rlotcd0]

I don't blame the doctors/trainers at all.

Whenever someone takes a cortisone shot and go-out-there-and-get-'em instead of immediate rest, a surgical solution or other aggressive treatment, it's NEVER the medical folk leading the decision-making train on that call.

[MFS62]

Its the under-estimated recovery times that get to me.
They've been using the Doctors at the Hospital for Special Surgery in New York City.
Maybe they should try the Doctors at the Hospital for Usual Surgery.

Later

[Guest Edgy DC]

Which estimates are we talking about?

[MFS62]

You're dwelling on my setup line and overlooking the punch line.

Later

[metirish]

Hospital for Special Surgery is rated every year as one of the best orthopedic hospitals in the country.

This year it is rated #2 in the US News & World Report just out. That certainly means a lot to me as my son goes there, his cardiologist when sending us there remarked to me that not only are the best ortho doctors there but it's the best run hospital in NYC.....I guess my point is that the Mets can get great advice and shitty advice and it's up to them what they do with it.

http://health.usnews.com/health/best-hospitals/orthopedics-hospital-rankings/



David Wright for one is sick of talking about injured players


"I'm so tired of talking about hurt guys," Wright said after the Mets opened their second half with a 5-3 loss to the Braves at Turner Field. "I'm just worried about what's going on here. It's to a point where if we get them back, great. If not, we have to find a way. It's just too much talk about the hurt guys."

[Guest Edgy DC]

I'm not dwelling on anything. I asked a question.

[MFS62]

I'm not dwelling on anything. I asked a question.[/quote:3t4ay94x]
Nothing specific. It was a table setter.
Just like a Jay Leno might have asked the audience if they had read about the drive -by shootings on the freeway. Then he'd say the shooters were impatient to get to a bathroom because they'd just had the new special at Taco Bell. He (or his writers) probably didn't have specific shootings in mind.

Later

[Guest Edgy DC]

I'm going to guess they probably are typically referring to an actual news item.

[Centerfield]

There was an article a few weeks ago that suggested that the Mets doctors were not to blame, but rather Mets officials. It cited one case where Dr. Andrews recommended surgery for Putz, the Mets officials overruled, went with cortisone, only to have Putz suck and then have the surgery a few weeks later.

There is also the Mets telling Beltran he could continue to play on the bone bruise because it wouldn't get worse (and again, going with cortisone) only to have the bruise double in size.

When he was ultimately put on the DL, they said he'd be back in 15 days. We all know now how foolish that was.

Delgadot's surgery was delayed (cortisone again) several weeks.

There's enough there that the gripers (who are there every season) may actually have somewhat of a case this year.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

There was an article a few weeks ago that suggested that the Mets doctors were not to blame, but rather Mets officials. It cited one case where Dr. Andrews recommended surgery for Putz, the Mets officials overruled, went with cortisone, only to have Putz suck and then have the surgery a few weeks later.

There is also the Mets telling Beltran he could continue to play on the bone bruise because it wouldn't get worse (and again, going with cortisone) only to have the bruise double in size.

When he was ultimately put on the DL, they said he'd be back in 15 days. We all know now how foolish that was.

Delgadot's surgery was delayed (cortisone again) several weeks.

There's enough there that the gripers (who are there every season) may actually have somewhat of a case this year.[/quote:1m688afb]

That would be the Rubin article. If the gripers are targeting the medical staff, it seems they're setting their sights incorrectly.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/2009/07/11/2009-07-11_meet_the_mess.html

[Fman99]

Nieve with a muscle tear, out 6 weeks minimum. And so it goes.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Lost in the talk of Halladays and shirtless Bernazards... Sheff's looking like another DL All-Star. (Which makes ten; isn't there a free sandwich coming somebody's way?)

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07222009/sports/mets/sheffields_next_move_could_be_to_dl_180700.htm

[metirish]

I would never have thought but looking back Sheffield's 500th home run is one of my highlights of this season.

[G-Fafif]

Sheffield also had an admission of his own, revealing the day after the injury that the continued cramping and soreness in his hamstring is the result of an electrolyte imbalance.

And with all that Gatorade in the dugout.

[ashie62]

I would never have thought but looking back Sheffield's 500th home run is one of my highlights of this season.[/quote:2qon0gpv]

you and me both.

On another note, is Beltran in the witness protection program?

[nymr83]

Newsday reports that Mets SP John Maine will seek a second opinion on the injury from Dr. James Andrews and that a source says he could miss the rest of the season.
[/quote:1vt0wtbd]

Are "Doctor James Andrews" the scariest three words in baseball or what?

[Guest Edgy DC]

Yeah, though running with that quote from an un-named source on a non-game (slow-news) day may be a weenie move by Newsday. So says my source.

[nymr83]

In fairness to Newsday I lifted the quote from CBS's fantasy sports pages, its possible the full Newsday article was more specific.

I promise not to rehash my diatribe on looser standards in sports journalism.

[dgwphotography]

Newsday reports that Mets SP John Maine will seek a second opinion on the injury from Dr. James Andrews and that a source says he could miss the rest of the season.
[/quote:2vpbwbl2]

Are "Doctor James Andrews" the scariest three words in baseball or what?[/quote:2vpbwbl2]

This made me go back to see who from CBS Sports joined the pool....