You're Entering A World of Pain (2009 Injuries)

[Piggiestomatoes]

ESPN reporting season-ending (duh) left elbow surgery for Santana. When questioned about Santana, Manual laughed some crazy-ass cackle. I think that was to prevent from crying.

[nymr83]

Time to hire Dr. Nick from the Simpsons

You all need a rahdical appendectomy!

[metirish]

ESPN reporting season-ending (duh) left elbow surgery for Santana. When questioned about Santana, Manual laughed some crazy-ass cackle. I think that was to prevent from crying.[/quote:19issclr]



WOW.....

[Piggiestomatoes]

ESPN also reporting a torn ligament in the left thumb of Francoeur. WTF!!!

[Benjamin Grimm]

ESPN reporting season-ending (duh) left elbow surgery for Santana. When questioned about Santana, Manual laughed some crazy-ass cackle. I think that was to prevent from crying.[/quote:t2uzondd]



WOW.....[/quote:t2uzondd]

Hold that wow, for now. It doesn't look like any decision has been made. (He hasn't even met with the doctor yet.)

And Francoeur says he plans to try to play through the pain, like Alex Cora did, and he'll get his thumb taken care of once the season ends.

[nymr83]

I'd rather he gets it taken care of NOW so he has an extra 2 months to heal for 2010.

Fire all the team doctors and trainers please, the "coincidences" are just mounting too quickly around here.

[dgwphotography]

I realize that he started off on fire this season, but didn't Santana "tweak" the elbow in spring training, because he was trying to get ready faster for the WBC?

[seawolf17]

CBS Sportsline reports that Luis Castillo, boating out in the Atlantic Ocean early this morning, was eaten by sharks.

[metirish]

Looking at his BR page to see how many innings to has tossed the last several seasons ,

In 2004 he broke 200 innings with 228

2004 - 228
2005 - 231.2
2006 - 233.2
2007 - 219
2008 - 234.1
2009 - 166.2

When I think of innigs eaters Sabbathis comes to mind , he's broke 200 innings poicthed in a season twice , 2007/08

This is not a comment on anything just looking is all.

[MFS62]

CBS Sportsline reports that Luis Castillo, boating out in the Atlantic Ocean early this morning, was eaten by sharks.[/quote:yxechjg1]

Santana considered him to be a pal. Now I guess he's just chum.

Later

[Benjamin Grimm]

CBS Sportsline reports that Luis Castillo, boating out in the Atlantic Ocean early this morning, was eaten by sharks.[/quote:2x94a6eo]

I think the telling thing about this joke is that Luis Castillo has risen to the top of the list of players for whom we'd dread an injury.

Do you realize he's currently third on the season list of Schaefer recipients for 2009?

[TransMonk]

I think the telling thing about this joke is that Luis Castillo has risen to the top of the list of players for whom we'd dread an injury.

Do you realize he's currently third on the season list of Schaefer recipients for 2009?[/quote:2urfrb2k]

He's 2nd on the team in plate appearances this season, and could jump to #1 depending how soon Wright comes back.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I'd rather he gets it taken care of NOW so he has an extra 2 months to heal for 2010.

Fire all the team doctors and trainers please, the "coincidences" are just mounting too quickly around here.[/quote:2nvin52l]

Is the prevalence of thumb fractures a training or a medical issue?

[HahnSolo]

Do you realize he's currently third on the season list of Schaefer recipients for 2009?[/quote:30m5xvnz]

Should we have an Anacin player of the year?

[dgwphotography]

Do you realize he's currently third on the season list of Schaefer recipients for 2009?[/quote:1dztmvm3]

Should we have an Anacin player of the year?[/quote:1dztmvm3]

Due to how this season has made me feel, I'm thinking Alka Seltzer might be even more appropriate.

[MFS62]

Is the prevalence of thumb fractures a training or a medical issue?[/quote:1s6k06jk]

Or this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory

Later

[Guest themetfairy]

CBS Sportsline reports that Luis Castillo, boating out in the Atlantic Ocean early this morning, was eaten by sharks.[/quote:3izgyzml]

So there's some positive news this week....

[nymr83]

I'd rather he gets it taken care of NOW so he has an extra 2 months to heal for 2010.

Fire all the team doctors and trainers please, the "coincidences" are just mounting too quickly around here.[/quote:bb8cbeql]

Is the prevalence of thumb fractures a training or a medical issue?[/quote:bb8cbeql]

you're never going to be able to pin specific injuries to the doctors or training staff any more than you can say a team would be better with a different manager, but managers get fired when the team plays poorly so why not let medical staff go when the team can't stay on the field?

edit- just to clarify i am not blaming the doctors for Francoeur's injury, but there have just been too many injuries. maybe they are partially to blame for cora's as they let him play when his thumb wasnt fully healed, and if they said "no" and he was allowed to play anyway then someone else (omar) needs to be fired for overruling doctors on a medical issue.

Mets DL stints this year:

Angel Pagan (3/27-5/16, 6/1-7/10)
Tim Redding (3/27-5/18)
Billy Wagner (3/27-8/20)
Brian Schneider (4/17-5/30)
Oliver Perez (5/3-7/8)
Carlos Delgado (5/11-??)
Alex Cora (5/18-6/2, 8/18-??)
Jose Reyes (5/21-??)
Ryan Church (5/23-6/7)
Ramon Martinez (6/3-??)
JJ Putz (6/5-??)
John Maine (6/7-??)
Fernando Martinez (7/4-??)
Fernando Nieve (7/20-??)
Gary Sheffield (7/18-8/2)
Johnathan Niese (8/6-??)
David Wright (8/16-??)

and now Santana and Francoeur are hurt, who has escaped injury? Murphy, Castillo (i think he had a minor one but no dl-stint), Pelfrey, Stokes and Feliciano?

[Guest Edgy DC]

you're never going to be able to pin specific injuries to the doctors or training staff any more than you can say a team would be better with a different manager

[seawolf17]

Only ten guys from the Opening Day roster have been here all year.

Pelfrey
Feliciano
Sean Green
Parnell
F Rodriguez
Stokes
Castillo
Murphy
Reed
Tatis

[Benjamin Grimm]

Well, to be fair, Namor isn't pinning specific injuries to the medical staff.

The Mets should, I think, bring in a third party to review the decisions made, both by the doctors and the people who are supposed to listen to the doctors, and see if the team was well served this year, and was just unlucky, or if there's something more.

It's easy to say FIRE THEM ALL, and it's also easy to say that that's an overreaction. But it's also possible that somebody should be fired. A season-end review is certainly in order.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I certainly didn't suggest nobody should be fired.

And yeah, I think firing people because of the injuries is pinning the injuries on such people.

Maybe the doctors treated the players excellently, but the rehabilitative personnel did terribly.

Maybe the rehabilitative therapists did their jobs, kept players on programs, but the coaches pushed the players out of their programs when they got into the mix.

Maybe the trainers totally switched the training routines from 2008 --- something that's been suggested here based on a staff change from last offseason --- and the medical personnel did everything they could once the players started going down, but they were too badly damaged.

Maybe the doctors gave wonderfully realistic prognoses that the HR staff wasn't realistic about at all.

And maybe there are fissures within these staves. Maybe one trainer will be found to have continuously warned against the policies and procedures of a senior trainer, but had had his or her cries ignored, only to be bittersweetly justified by the rash of injuries.

Maybe one of these things is true in one case, and another of these things is true in another case. And maybe none are true in any case.

If you sweep everybody out indiscriminately, you never see where you went wrong hiring them in the first place, and you are prone to make the same mistakes in your next round of hires.

"Evolution, not revolution." --- Miles Davis

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Forgot Redding. Damn.

ROLL CALL

Currently on DL:
Beltran (Knee--Bone Bruise)
Cora (Hand--Torn Ligaments)
Delgado (Hip labral tear, strained oblique)
Maine (Shoulder-- inflammation?)
FMartinez (Knee-- meniscus tear)
RMartinez (Finger-- torn ligament)
Nieve (Leg-- quad tear)
Niese (Hamstring-- tear)
Putz (Elbow-- inflammation/cartilage issue?)
Reyes (Hamstring-- strain/tear)
Wright (Concussion)

Previous DL time:
Church (Neck-- strain)
Pagan (2 stints: Groin-- strain; hamstring-- strain)
Perez (Knee-- inflammation)
Redding (Shoulder-- weakness/ache)
Schneider (Back-- strained muscle)
Sheffield (Hamstring-- strain)
Wagner-- (Elbow-- recovery, TJ surgery)

Missed time, no DL:
Castillo (Ankle)
Castro (Back?)
Francoeur (Thumb-- torn ligament)
Pelfrey (Forearm-- tendinitis)
Santana (Back/Elbow)


Anyone else missing?

EDIT: Pagan's first stint on DL added.

[Guest Edgy DC]

It was a groin injury (and possibly further rehab for his post-op shoulder) that knocked Pagan out the first two months. He was also busted for failure to pay traffic fines.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Other injuries and ailments that didn't result in DL time:

• Marlon Anderson: turf toe


• Emil Brown: dyspepsia


• Andy Green: winter vomiting in August


• Darren O'Day: symptoms not unlike flu-like symptoms


• Jon Switzer: moral turpitude


• Daniel Murphy: acute and chronic deja vu


• Casey Fossum: banjo on the knee


• Nelson Figueroa: Rapid Eyebrow Growth Syndrome


• Nick Evans: crabs


• Ken Takahashi: ennui


• Angel Berroa: galloping knobrot


• Wilson Valdez: cabinetmakers disease


• Bobby Parnell: St. Vitus dance

See, the trainers aren't getting the credit they deserve for who they kept on the field!

[seawolf17]

The most depressing part about that list is that I would love to have a thumper like Marlon Anderson in the middle of this lineup right now.

[bmfc1]

It never ends: Putz's rehab appearance for Brooklyn tonight has been postponed.

[MFS62]

It never ends: Putz's rehab appearance for Brooklyn tonight has been postponed.[/quote:1lfhkyny]
The news leaked out?
I thought whatever happens in Brooklyn stays in Brooklyn.

Later

[bmfc1]

Not all injury news is bad: Ollie is going back to NY to have his knee checked. Maybe they'll sit him down for the rest of the year and hope he has his head together in the spring.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Ollie is going back to NY to have his knee checked. [/quote:3ewql8tp]

Geez, who will the starting 5 be for the rest of the year? If Oliver gets shut down, we're left with Pelfrey, Parnell, Redding, Figueroa, and...?