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[Guest Edgy DC]

Not quite.

Jim Eisenreich would have to come out of retirement at a Mike Bishop-y 46 years old.

[Centerfield]

You're right. I completely forgot that Charles Johnson, Jim Eisenreich and Manny Barrios were a part of that trade.

Actually, it's not that I forgot, I don't think I ever knew that until I looked it up just now.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Well, CJ was a Met on paper for 15 minutes, so he could count. I don't know nuttin' 'bout no Manny Barrios. It sounds like gay cruising area near Washington Heights.

[Willets Point]

Don't, don't, don't believe the hype, says Newsday.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

The Mets, too, have reportedly resisted any trades including prospects Lastings Milledge, Yusmeiro Petit, and Phillip Humber, one or two of whom might have to be included in any deal for Sheffield and a reliever.

I like the sound of that. Hope it's true.


And let's be honest -- it wouldn't be the first time the Post blew a trade story out of proportion, would it?

Wow! Newsday talkin' trash about the Post. I don't think I've ever seen that before.

[Guest rpackrat]

What do the MFY's have that Oakland would want? I don't see a Kotsay trade happening.

[Sandgnat]

The Newsday article sounds a lot more like a chance to flame a rival then it does to dispel the trade rumor with solid fact.

[Frayed Knot]

Newsday: The Mets, too, have reportedly resisted any trades
including prospects Lastings Milledge, Yusmeiro Petit, and Phillip
Humber, one or two of whom might have to be included in any deal
for Sheffield and a reliever.

If it were Cammy for Sheff even-up you'd have to pull the trigger just
from a talent swap basis alone. It's a major upgrade in offense even
though Sheff is one of my least favorite players alive.
But when you start talking about major prospects as throw-ins it
makes it easy to just walk away.
And, as mentioned above, we don't HAVE to do a deal for an OFer,
the Yanx do - although it's still a weird deal from their side. With
Sheff gone, who plays RF? Bernie in LF and Hidecki in RF?
That doesn't help much. They need to move Bernie to DH and
Womack and his .270 Slugging Avg!! to ... I dunno, Mars?

[Guest Rotblatt]

I don't think Bernie would be so bad in LF . . . And Hideki used to play RF in Japan, I think, so he'd probably be passable there. Their OF defense wouldn't be good, but it probably wouldn't be awful, either--especially with Cam in center.

If they're after Cairo, I wonder if they're planning on moving Cano somewhere. You'd think it'd be for pitching, but it could be for a corner OF . . .

[Guest Rotblatt]

Cribbing from SoSH poster jtn46, who listened to Sheff spout off on theFAN:

]Sheffield sound on WFAN. Basically saying that if he's traded somewhere, he'll play there. He says he went out of his way to sign with the Yankees and wants to remain there, and if he's traded, he'll be unhappy, and he says no team would want an unhappy Gary Sheffield. He suggests that his new team would have to do something to make him happy, and he very much suggested that the thing they would have to do is pay him the money he's owed up-front, since he says he allowed the Yankees to defer a lot of his salary to ensure that he could sign there. Obviously there's a lot of funny stuff he's saying, (Says he brings intensity, leadership, and that he's not paid for that...) but it all seems like a contrived way to scare the Mets away.

Boo, I say, boo.

Don't need him, don't want him.

When do I get to start reading about Adam Dunn to Mets rumors?

[seawolf17]

You know? I thought about this in the car today. I want nothing to do with Gary Sheffield. It's bad enough that I have to root for Tom &#@$ Glavine. Why don't they trade David Wright for Chipper! Deal Reyes for Jeter! Hire John Tudor and Bobby Bonilla as coaches! Make my freaking head explode, Omar! Come on, big guy! Do you want to make us hate this team?

[MFS62]

Speaking of in the car, I was driving home today and a Yankee fan called in to one of the shows (forget whether it was WFAN or ESPN) and said "If the Mets want Sheffield, they would have to include either Reyes or Wright with Cameron". He may have said both. And he was SERIOUS.
I almost drove off the road.

Incidentally, both Met and Yankee fans think this isn't a good deal for their team. That makes me think it still may happen.

Later

[seawolf17]

Since Rotblatt's had so much luck with Willie lately, can we ask him to post against any Sheffield trade?

[Guest Spacemans Bong]

MFS62 wrote: Speaking of in the car, I was driving home today and a Yankee fan called in to one of the shows (forget whether it was WFAN or ESPN) and said "If the Mets want Sheffield, they would have to include either Reyes or Wright with Cameron". He may have said both. And he was SERIOUS. I almost drove off the road. Incidentally, both Met and Yankee fans think this isn't a good deal for their team. That makes me think it still may happen. Later

That's probably a good indication that it's a fair trade.

I wouldn't mind seeing Sheffield on the Mets. Besides the fact it's really not a good deal for the Yanks in my opinion, it's getting a guy who would be the best hitter on the club for the best 2 months of Mike Cameron's career. You'd punt some defense, but gain a big big bat. You'd also get a pretty short commitment period. Sheffield's only signed through 2006, so there's really no chance of this being an albatross.

[metsmarathon]

prior to sheffields midafternoon vocal diahrrea, i considered this a fair trade on paper with the mets gaining the bat they need to really add credibility and depth to their lineup while giving up outfield defense that they have plenty of. on the yankees end it seems like they're not making out as well, as while cammy does provide a huge benefit defensively, trading him straightup for sheff doesnt prevent tony womack from taking an outfield spot.

then i read/heard about the inclusion of cairo in the deal, which makes me like it less, as i consider him a valuale part of our bench, and tipping the scales to the yankees favor in terms of fairness of trade.

then there are the stories of the mets getting fleeced for cammy, diaz, and maybe even a pitcher or something, for sheff and womack. and, while this makes for a much better trade for the yankees, it makes for a much worse trade for the mets.

and then of course theres the fact that, and lets just pretend its a straight up, or cammy+cairo deal, a) while i hate facing him, i don't like sheffield either, and even happy, he'd ruin the chemistry by taking away at least as much as cammy added, b) his verbal diahreea cinches teh bad chemistry thingy, and makes this trade extremely distasteful on that level alone, c) if we're trading cammy, i'd prefer that it be for a 1b, opening a slot for diaz in the outfield and improving teh club twofold, d) i really really like our outfield defense, and while the additional offense is noce, the outfield D actually gives me joy - gary sheffields glove would do no such thing e) it'd be a no-win situation as the papers would invartiably find a way to pan the mets' side of things, unless by some miracle, sheff managed to drive home the winning run in game 7 of the WS f) have i mentioned his verbal diahrrea? cos i think it was just his head spilling over.

i'd much rather go to war with this team as constructed, than with this team reconstructed so as to include gary sheffield.

[Guest silverdsl]

As a player Sheffield would probably be an asset to the Mets. He's solid at the plate, usually pretty productive and aside from some moments when he doesn't give it his all he's usually good in the outfield.

However, Sheffield is the Captain of the A$$hats. As per this article on ESPN: [url=http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2097445]http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2097445[/url], Sheffield essentially says that if he's traded he will inconvience everyone and behave in such a way that his new team would want to get rid of him. I have no respect for a player who would be disruptive like that. Yankee fans are trying to excuse his comments by saying it's because he wants to be a Yankee so much but I don't think there's any justification for behavior like that should he be traded. No other player without a no-trade gets much of a say if/when/where they are traded why should Sheffield? But it's not just these most recent remarks that make Sheffield an a$$hat. It's also how he "accidentally" took steroids and how he said that those who use mental coachs are "weak-minded, among other things. Sheffield is rapidly becoming my least favorite recent Yankee, next to Chuck Knoblauch and Roger Clemens.

[Frayed Knot]

I heard a chunk of Sheffield's rantings today.
Basically he was rambling, angry, egotistical, threatening, illogical -- and that's while he wasn't being largely incoherant.

Mostly he wants money. He "made sacrifices" to sign w/his beloved Yanx by agreeing to defer money while all those around him are making much more and getting it all up front while - in some cases (and it sounded like he REALLY wanted to name names cough*Giambi*cough) - he's producing as much or more than all of them.
So, he'll agree to go wherever he's sent (like he has a choice) but he wants the new team to sweeten the pot (which he has no power to force) and he doesn't promise to be a pleasant person.

Minaya, meanwhile, has apparently denied there's anything going on.

[metirish]

I wanted nothing to do with Sheffield when this was first posted and after hearing his tirade just now on MSG I want less to do with him, it was something else, as frayed Knot said he was a rambling man.

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

Let Sheffield stay with his beloved Yankees. I sure as hell don't want him on The Mets.

Cameron is having a fine year for the Mets. He has been hitting well, playing solid defense in RF, is our best insurance policy for CF should something happen to Beltran, and he plays hard without complaining. Sheffield is an offensive force that promises to be a royal pain in the ass to any team that trades for him. This is the same guy who has stated that he sometimes made errors on purpose when he was with the Brewers because he didn't want to play for them.

Thanks, but no thanks. I'd rather the Mets just keep Cameron.

[Guest Rotblatt]

I'm not going to waste my Willie mo-jo on this . . . Hopefully any possibility of this happening was squashed by Sheff's ranting.

Dunn is being shopped, by the way. More on that in the A-P Trade Thread.

[duan]

thin about sheff's ranting is he's got one reason for it, and that's to try and squeeze some $ out of someone. That's his form, that's what he does.

If le boss/omar sweetend the deal with money, he'd be up for it. If he wasn't going on 37 i'd be very tempted, but right now, I just don't dare rely on him to be productive for much longer.

[Frayed Knot]

A story in [url=http://www.palmbeachpost.com/marlins/content/sports/epaper/2005/06/30/w5c_marlnotes_0630.html]The Palm Beach Post[/url]
suggests that the Marlins may have interest in Sheffield in exchange for OFer Juan Encarnacion & RHP A.J. Burnett "according to a National League source".

"An American League source confirmed that the Yankees are interested in Burnett and Encarnacion and have talked to the Marlins about them. But that source also said connecting Sheffield to the discussions "might be premature."

[Frayed Knot]

In the meantime, Sheffield is getting a 2-day vacation for his antics in Sunday night's game courtesy of the MLB office.

[soupcan]

Am I the only one who thinks that Gary Sheffield and Carl Everett would get along very well?

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

I doubt it Soup, Carl probably doesn't believe that Sheffield exists.

[MFS62]

Ding! Ding!

We have a winner.

Doc, that may have been the best one-liner yet on the new board.

Later