Mets’ Khalil Lee accused of assaulting, choking ex-girlfriend

[Benjamin Grimm]

https://nypost.com/2023/02/01/mets-khalil-lee-accused-of-domestic-violence-by-ex-girlfriend/Mets' Khalil Lee accused of assaulting, choking ex-girlfriend

Khalil Lee, an outfielder on the Mets' 40-man roster, has been accused of physical and verbal abuse by his ex-girlfriend, according to a report on Wednesday. Syracuse police issued a warrant for Lee, 24, on the charge of criminal obstruction of breath, Syracuse.com reported. A lawsuit filed in federal court on Wednesday also named Lee on allegations that he abused his former girlfriend while playing for the Triple-A Syracuse Mets last season. Major League Baseball has opened an investigation to look into the allegations. “The Mets immediately notified MLB upon becoming aware of the allegations,” the Mets said in a statement. “We will fully comply with MLB's policy and cannot comment until the completion of the league's investigative process.”

[Edgy MD]

Obstruction of breath. Shikey.

[nymr83]

Shit.

[MFS62]

"Obstruction of breath?

Baseball players have been choking for years. But only themselves.

Sounds like they're using a fancy word to avoid using strangulation.



Later

[A Boy Named Seo]

Eh, that joke, 62. :-/



"Obstruction of breathing" is in the New York Penal Code, btw. I hope she's ok and MLB and Mets do the right thing here.

[nymr83]

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Eh, that joke, 62. :-/ "Obstruction of breathing" is in the New York Penal Code, btw. I hope she's ok and MLB and Mets do the right thing here.

And by "the right thing" I hope you mean, "not rush to judgment, hear both sides of the story, and place him on paid leave while the legal process plays out"

[Edgy MD]

Well, teams and/or leagues frequently undertake their own investigations and act according to their own conclusions. And they are certainly justified in doing so, as their policies may not align perfectly with the law's. Nor may their priorities, burden of proof, rules of admissibility, etc. be the same.



Zack Scott, for instance, lost his job, but was ultimately found not guilty. I may agree or disagree with the team's decision, but they are certainly within their rights to act independently of the court's outcome.

[MFS62]

And by "the right thing" I hope you mean, "not rush to judgment, hear both sides of the story, and place him on paid leave while the legal process plays out"

This ^.



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[A Boy Named Seo]

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Eh, that joke, 62. :-/ "Obstruction of breathing" is in the New York Penal Code, btw. I hope she's ok and MLB and Mets do the right thing here. And by "the right thing" I hope you mean, "not rush to judgment, hear both sides of the story, and place him on paid leave while the legal process plays out"

I hope anyone deciding anything carefully considers all evidence before rendering their judgement. And if enough evidence is there to determine he was violent with his then-girlfriend, I hope the league and the Mets make an extremely clear point of demonstrating that they won't tolerate that shit.

[whippoorwill]

Sigh



Where do these people crawl from?

[whippoorwill]

FYI for any newbies I am on record for defending these guys against skanky girls but this sounds a bit more specific

[nymr83]

Edgy MD wrote: Well, teams and/or leagues frequently undertake their own investigations and act according to their own conclusions. And they are certainly justified in doing so, as their policies may not align perfectly with the law's. Nor may their priorities, burden of proof, rules of admissibility, etc. be the same. Zack Scott, for instance, lost his job, but was ultimately found not guilty. I may agree or disagree with the team's decision, but they are certainly within their rights to act independently of the court's outcome.

Yeah, Zack was put on leave pending the legal process. Everything I read, though I doubt this would ever be officially stated, is that the reason he was fired prior to the conclusion of that process is that he and/or his attorneys were uncooperative assholes with Steve Cohen's attorneys - which seems like a good reason for an owner of a business to get rid of their executives.

[nymr83]

FYI for any newbies I am on record for defending these guys against skanky girls but this sounds a bit more specific

I'm on the record for "hang them from a tree"... but only if we know for sure they are guilty.

[Fman99]

I prefer my Syracuse Mets related news headlines to be less chokey and murdery than this

[whippoorwill]

Yeah like RBIs and ERAs

[A Boy Named Seo]

FYI for any newbies I am on record for defending these guys against skanky girls but this sounds a bit more specific I'm on the record for "hang them from a tree"... but only if we know for sure they are guilty.

I'm not on record for hanging anyone from a tree, especially a Black player (I'm sure you didn't mean it that way but that reads badly in this case). But if he is guilty, I hope at age 24, there is still time for him to figure out why violence was the option he chose against his girlfriend and learn how to ID that emotion and not do that same thing again in his life. I hope there is a path to redemption for him and still hope he can be a good person to other people.



As for playing professional baseball, that's always sketchier for me. That profession is an extreme privilege, so I don't know what it would look like to retain (or re-attain) that privilege, but I would think it would have to be a stew that has most or all of these ingredients:



1) admission of guilt

2) legit remorse (what is legit? I don't know)

3) sincere apology to victim

4) serve suspension/jail time

5) therapy/DV education

6) continued work in those spaces after career resumes

7) other stuff I missed?



I said before that I hope the league and the Mets make a clear point in demonstrating that they don't tolerate violence against women. So where do you go if you want to give a remorseful and rehabilitated person a second chance? I don't know.



I don't blame any team that doesn't want to sign a player who has committed DV. If there's a surefire way to make sure women (and male allies) do not want to consume your product, it's to put a person who has been violent to women right in front of them. IF a team wanted to sign a guy who's done this, I think they should be out front in acknowledging the charge and the team should also join the player in doing work in education and support spaces. If you're going to go in, go all in on the rehabilitation, but more importantly, also be an ally and work for the victims. I can absolutely see the flaws in that plan, though.



Which direction does everyone else's moral compass swing on this? Doing something is easy. Doing the right thing is hard.

[Edgy MD]

I appreciate a thoughtful response. Zero tolerance policies often are about PR, but don't really curb the incidents, and certainly don't address the underlying cultural issues.

[nymr83]

For sure any team that doesn't want to hire the guy because of the perception alive is entitled to that. Not at all the same as ripping up an existing contract and punishing a guy not convicted of anything.

[Gwreck]

=nymr83 post_id=117766 time=1675560129 user_id=54]ripping up an existing contract and punishing a guy not convicted of anything.

[metirish]

[bmfc1]

Sam Coonrod seems like a real piece of work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Coonrodhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Coonrod

[nymr83]

Sam Coonrod seems like a real piece of work. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Coonrodhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Coonrod

Wikipedia is a trainwreck sometimes. What could easily be expressed in a nice neat table over at baseball reference is instead expanded into 20 paragraphs that don't really say anything other than a long form version of a player's statistics.

[TransMonk]

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[bmfc1]

True, however does this suffice? https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/giants/giants-sam-coonrod-sticks-decision-stand-during-blm-ceremonyhttps://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/giants/giants-sam-coonrod-sticks-decision-stand-during-blm-ceremony

Or this? https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2020/07/24/sam-coonrod-giants-reliever-why-he-didnt-kneel-blm-moment/5500442002/https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2020/07/24/sam-coonrod-giants-reliever-why-he-didnt-kneel-blm-moment/5500442002/

Sam Coonrod seems like a real piece of work. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Coonrodhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Coonrod Wikipedia is a trainwreck sometimes. What could easily be expressed in a nice neat table over at baseball reference is instead expanded into 20 paragraphs that don't really say anything other than a long form version of a player's statistics.

Edited February 6, 2023 by Guest

[Marshmallowmilkshake]

I actually got blocked from Wikipedia two weeks ago -- for deleting long outdated an inaccurate information about my employer and replacing it with updated and accurate information. A seemingly self-appointed Wikipedia cop/troll accused me and a team member of being "sock puppets" and deleted all that we added, then reported us to the Wikipedia brass, such as it is, which then blocked us from posting on the page. Apparently you don't want people who actually know things about topics posting about it. I looked on the troll's "talk" page and it looks like he spends his days attacking people who post, especially about education.



We'll wait a month, create new accounts, then add the right info a little at a time.

[kcmets]

This thread has derailed a few times and all it took was one page.

[nymr83]

I actually got blocked from Wikipedia two weeks ago -- for deleting long outdated an inaccurate information about my employer and replacing it with updated and accurate information. A seemingly self-appointed Wikipedia cop/troll accused me and a team member of being "sock puppets" and deleted all that we added, then reported us to the Wikipedia brass, such as it is, which then blocked us from posting on the page. Apparently you don't want people who actually know things about topics posting about it. I looked on the troll's "talk" page and it looks like he spends his days attacking people who post, especially about education. We'll wait a month, create new accounts, then add the right info a little at a time.

This is wikipedia in a nutshell.

[nymr83]

True, however does this suffice? https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/giants/giants-sam-coonrod-sticks-decision-stand-during-blm-ceremonyhttps://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/giants/giants-sam-coonrod-sticks-decision-stand-during-blm-ceremony Or this? https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2020/07/24/sam-coonrod-giants-reliever-why-he-didnt-kneel-blm-moment/5500442002/https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2020/07/24/sam-coonrod-giants-reliever-why-he-didnt-kneel-blm-moment/5500442002/ Sam Coonrod seems like a real piece of work. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Coonrodhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Coonrod Wikipedia is a trainwreck sometimes. What could easily be expressed in a nice neat table over at baseball reference is instead expanded into 20 paragraphs that don't really say anything other than a long form version of a player's statistics.

So he refused to take a knee in support of other peoples' political views? good for him.

[A Boy Named Seo]

Raley and Coonrod sound like a shitty country band opening for Morgan Wallen at the CPAC cocktail party.



Instead it's the New York Mets bullpen.

[Fman99]

Coonrod sounds like a shitass to me.