Mets angling for Wilson Contreras?

[roger_that]

So sez SI. No link yet.

[kcmets]

If there's no link, where did they sez it?

[roger_that]

I'm driving. Meantime Google.

[kcmets]

Starting threads while driving sounds dangerous. Stay safe.

[roger_that]

Starting threads while driving sounds dangerous. Stay safe.

It would be pretty macabre if I never posted again, wouldn't it?



No, I arrived alive (and I was posting at red lights, which is barely doable but safe enough.) Here's yer link:



https://www.si.com/mlb/mets/news/new-york-willson-contreras-mlb-trade-deadline-target-mets-james-mccann-mlb-insider-jeff-passan-jim-bowdenhttps://www.si.com/mlb/mets/news/new-york-willson-contreras-mlb-trade-deadline-target-mets-james-mccann-mlb-insider-jeff-passan-jim-bowden

[batmagadanleadoff]

That's an almost verbatim reprint of an article posted a few days ago. It reads more like the so called insiders opining rather than sharing inside info.



Also, the web Sports Illustrated, these days, is ... to call it an embarrassment would be a gross understatement. Not your father's SI any more. Or your older brother's. To steal one of ceetar's favorite words, it's trash.

[roger_that]

Hey, for someone browsing the web while driving, you're lucky I didn't write that the Mets were angling to get Wilson Phillips.

[nymr83]

I don't know what state you are in, but posting at red lights is still a ticket in most. Doesn't seem worth it

[Willets Point]

=roger_that post_id=95237 time=1654646886 user_id=128]
Hey, for someone browsing the web while driving, you're lucky I didn't write that the Mets were angling to get Wilson Phillips.

[roger_that]

=nymr83 post_id=95238 time=1654646947 user_id=54]
I don't know what state you are in, but posting at red lights is still a ticket in most. Doesn't seem worth it

[bmfc1]

I've read this as a possibility in The Athletic. It makes sense although I wonder if they would want to get a new catcher, who has to learn the pitchers, midway through the season.

[Ceetar]

people gotta post stuff. *Shrug* Hey, at least SI isn't the NY Post. I automatically assume anything written in there is wrong.



What's the status on McCann, he sucks, but I don't see the Mets grabbing another catcher with Nido kinda hitting.

[Fman99]

=roger_that post_id=95237 time=1654646886 user_id=128]
Hey, for someone browsing the web while driving, you're lucky I didn't write that the Mets were angling to get Wilson Phillips.

[nymr83]

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I've read this as a possibility in The Athletic. It makes sense although I wonder if they would want to get a new catcher, who has to learn the pitchers, midway through the season.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

I think Contreras would make sense. Not as Nidos replacement but Mazeikas

[Edgy MD]

Nido or Mazeika would possibly be part of the return.

[MFS62]

Willets Point wrote: =roger_that post_id=95237 time=1654646886 user_id=128] Hey, for someone browsing the web while driving, you're lucky I didn't write that the Mets were angling to get Wilson Phillips.

To get that story, we'll have to hold on for one more day.

[seawolf17]

Nido's been nice, but he's still a hole in the lineup like McCann was this year. Fact is, our catchers have totalled roughly a 0.0 bWAR this year, so any upgrade is probably a good one.



(Plus, Dom Smith WOULD be an upgrade for them at first, for what that's worth.)

[kcmets]

Is it too radical an idea to bring Alvarez up for a sniff instead of

(allegedly) sniffing for Contreras?

[Edgy MD]

Probably, but I wouldn't be surprised if he got a September ticket.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

I feel like, it's really tough to break in a starting catcher, so rushing Alvarez to fill an immediate need seems like a bad idea unless he has nothing left to prove in AAA, which I don't believe is the current narrative on him.



September seems like a better plan for him and us

[seawolf17]

If there are ABs for him in September, then yeah, he'll come up. If McCann/Nido/Mazeika are all still on the 40, though, I doubt it. That said, Mazeika's hold on a 40 spot is tenuous at best.

[batmagadanleadoff]

There's a web article published yesterday where one of the minor league experts is now rating Alvarez as the best prospect in all of baseball. And BTW, after a slow start, Alvarez is currently destroying AA pitching.

[roger_that]

Yeah, I read that one, too. Made me think that they could bring him up as soon as August. Much better to promote a prospect too soon than stick him in the minors while you're losing games you could be winning now. The harm in promoting kids too soon is BS: we promoted kids from Kranepool and Cleon Jones and Swoboda before they were ready, and (Kranepool and Jones, anyway) we sent them back down to log more time in minors when we saw that they were not. Swoboda got off to too hot a start for that, and kind of got messed up as a result, but that's much rarer, and sometimes (Gooden and Reyes and Strawberry and Wright) we've been very pleasantly surprised.

[seawolf17]

Oh, 100%. And I guess I'm still stuck in that old Wilponian "well, we owe McCann too much money to not play him" mentality a bit. If Alvarez is ready, he'll be here.

[Frayed Knot]

And do keep in mind that BEST prospect (assuming that's even true at this point) isn't the same thing as 'closest to ready. The guys that make those lists are always trying to gauge a player's ceiling and then tempering that with the chances of him reaching that height.



As a guy hitting well above his age group and doing so while playing a premium position makes him potentially long term gold, but that same logic got Amed Rosario top 5 props too.



At the moment Alvarez has <700 minor Lg ABs and <200 of those above A ball

[MFS62]

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And BTW, after a slow start, Alvarez is currently destroying AA pitching.

[Edgy MD]

He actually had a torrid start and then cratered after two weeks when they stopped pitching to him and he initially responded by chasing the ball all over the place.



He finally starting laying off, forcing pitchers to come back after him, and he's back in gear.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Frayed Knot wrote: And do keep in mind that BEST prospect (assuming that's even true at this point) isn't the same thing as 'closest to ready. The guys that make those lists are always trying to gauge a player's ceiling and then tempering that with the chances of him reaching that height.

True. And that article points all that out. In Alvarez's case, that catching is by far the toughest defensive position in baseball and that Alvarez's defense is not on par with his hitting. He's really raw, defensively.

[Benjamin Grimm]

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As for Contreras, there were some CPF-ers (me among them) wanting the Mets to sign him in past years. He's 30 years old, is arb eligible and won't become a free agent until 2023.