Dom the dum-dum

[Edgy MD]

If Davis is going to play the field once a week, first is as good as anywhere.



If our problem is defense from our backup firstbaseman, who hasn't actually had to play there since 2018 (though he did get three games there last year with Syracuse), life is going almost too well.

[Fman99]

He needs to come to the Cuse and hit .450 and play every day. I'll cheer like hell for him up here.

[ashie62]

He is waiting to be traded nothing more nothing less.

[nymr83]

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=ashie62 post_id=94213 time=1654032187 user_id=90]
I would dump Dom like a cheap suit. He just can't hit, period.

[Willets Point]

Edgy MD wrote: Lunchbucket trade target Luis Castillo goes tonight at Fenway as the Sox counter with ex-Met (who has been surprisingly crushing it) Michael Wacha.

I saw Castillo pitch 6 innings of 1-hit ball in person tonight and I'm the Lunchbucket Bandwagon. Wacha pitched well too, allowing only 1 unearned run in the loss.

[Edgy MD]

Mmmm ... lunchwagon.

[smg58]

Smith thrived under Chili Davis, so the potential is there, but right now getting regular ABs at AAA will do him some good. Plummer is already doing better than Smith was doing, and they have at least a few options at first (Canha has a fair amount of experience at the position) if needed.

[roger_that]

Willets Point wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Lunchbucket trade target Luis Castillo goes tonight at Fenway as the Sox counter with ex-Met (who has been surprisingly crushing it) Michael Wacha. I saw Castillo pitch 6 innings of 1-hit ball in person tonight and I'm the Lunchbucket Bandwagon. Wacha pitched well too, allowing only 1 unearned run in the loss.

Well, this just brings up my major issue with the Lunchbucket thesis of "How the World Works": will Cincinnati trade a decent pitcher for Dom Smith? Even with a bad contract tossed in the deal to sweeten it for them?



Maybe, but there's no evidence they will.



This is like one of those "Let's trade Elio Chacon for Willie Mays!!" proposals--sure, I'm all for it. All you have to do is get the Giants to go for it.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

What "evidence" aside from a deal would convince you?



I'll bet a beer Moustakas gets traded within 30 days, and the magnitude of who goes with him will rest on how much of his salary the acquirer absorbs.



The only thing working against my plan now is that Castillo is going good enough to almost command a considerable prospect alone. We could get that deal done too, but probably not today. My deal is beautiful and strategic and exciting because it could work NOW. Castillo and Williams are even aligned on start dates, he could get 2 starts in as a Met during this upcoming road trip.

[ashie62]

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He's a decent fielder at first base and maybe he'll catch some of prospect third baseman Mark Vientos' errant throws. (he has close to double digit errors so far this year). I think Mark's fielding may be causing his recent hitting funk. (And I have no numbers to back that up)

I hope when Dom comes back up, he'll bring a revitalized Mark with him.

Later

[ashie62]

Edgy MD wrote: =roger_that post_id=94216 time=1654032472 user_id=128] =ashie62 post_id=94213 time=1654032187 user_id=90] I would dump Dom like a cheap suit. He just can't hit, period.

Lifetime OPS+ of 100 in almost 1200 ABs.

[roger_that]

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Castillo is going good enough to almost command a considerable prospect alone.

That's kinda what I'm saying. Castillo at this point, in his career and in this season, seems to me worth MUCH more than Dom, and worth more than Dom + picking up a bad contract. At this point, I'd say Dom's irrelevant to such a deal, which would rest much more on a VERY attractive prospect from the Mets. Dom would be a throw in.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Maybe. But every minute Moustakas remains a Red the club flushes more $$ down the toilet, so don't underestimate their motivation to do something. That's in part why I raised this weeks ago.



The Mets in the meantime have a different near-term motivation-' the hardest stretch of their season is arriving at the moment when their starting pitching has never been more vulnerable.



GET OFF YOUR ASS AND MAKE THIS HAPPEN NOW BILLY!!!!11

[ashie62]

It's going to take more than Dom or JD to get Moustakas or Castillo.I would zone on on Castillo for now as that is where the need is

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

=ashie62 post_id=94300 time=1654092698 user_id=90]
It's going to take more than Dom or JD to get Moustakas or Castillo.I would zone on on Castillo for now as that is where the need is

[metsmarathon]

it should take much less than dom to "get" moustakas.



it should take more than dom to get castillo. that "more" may equal the subtraction of moustakas and the >$30M he's owed until the end of next year. that's a BIG dollar amount.



i'm struggling to find any other BAD contracts that would make much sense for a team to be as interested in dumping on us as the reds should be on mous. it'd almost be malpractice for the reds not to pounce on the mets sniffing around that albatross.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

I'll add also it's obvious they're talking as the Riddle deal showed. Saw where Tyler Mahle was also rumored to be on the Reds block-- they'd obviously prefer to lose him than Castillo, but he's not aggressively awful in an emergency way and wouldn't cost much probably

[Edgy MD]

They might also be willing to be generous for some relief on Votto's salary.



As the Devin Mesoraco/Matt Harvey deal represents, they've looked to the Mets for salary dumping before.

[ashie62]

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: =ashie62 post_id=94300 time=1654092698 user_id=90] It's going to take more than Dom or JD to get Moustakas or Castillo.I would zone on on Castillo for now as that is where the need is

FFS. Do you even read posts?

[Edgy MD]

Ain't nobody a rat prick. Ain't nobody a bisexual turd.

[A Boy Named Seo]

Willets Point wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Lunchbucket trade target Luis Castillo goes tonight at Fenway as the Sox counter with ex-Met (who has been surprisingly crushing it) Michael Wacha. I saw Castillo pitch 6 innings of 1-hit ball in person tonight and I'm the Lunchbucket Bandwagon. Wacha pitched well too, allowing only 1 unearned run in the loss. Well, this just brings up my major issue with the Lunchbucket thesis of "How the World Works": will Cincinnati trade a decent pitcher for Dom Smith? Even with a bad contract tossed in the deal to sweeten it for them? Maybe, but there's no evidence they will. This is like one of those "Let's trade Elio Chacon for Willie Mays!!" proposals--sure, I'm all for it. All you have to do is get the Giants to go for it.

If there's such a thing as evidence that the Reds would make this kind of trade, it's that they already did a few months ago. They sent Jesse Winker to the Mariners for three younger players (and a PTBNL), but made the Mariners take the rest of Eugenio Suarez's contract to make it happen.



Who knows what it would ultimately take to get Castillo, but as lots of peeps have already said here, Dom and Moustakas make great sense as part of that potential trade.

[vtmet7]

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Sent down to Syracuse. That settles that.

[Chad ochoseis]

This whole thing is similar to what happens when a law is passed that alcohol can't be served without food. Some restaurant gets cute and sells individual potato chips for $10, but they throw in a free beer.



Here, we can't just out and out buy Luis Castillo, so the deal would be that we'd effectively write them a check for $46 million for Moustakas, who has about as much value as a potato chip, and give them Dom Smith, and we'd get ourselves Luis Castillo as part of the deal.



As a fan, you can't not like this, because all it's costing us is a 1B/DH who we all love but who probably doesn't have a place in this org anymore. There's a lot of money involved, but it's Steve's...doesn't cost us anything.



But is half a year of Luis Castillo really worth picking up the remaining $46M of the Moustakas contract plus parting ways with Dom? I'd have to say no.

[Edgy MD]

I can so not like it.



Here, let me try ... . Yup. There it is.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Chad ochoseis wrote: But is half a year of Luis Castillo really worth picking up the remaining $46M of the Moustakas contract plus parting ways with Dom? I'd have to say no.

Castillo is arb-eligible so more than half-a-year if we like him.



We're trying to win a World Series here. At least I am. Were the Mets in their typical point in a season, where the questions as to whether they'll make the playoffs, wind up 10 games over, or 10 games under all seem to be equal bets, I don't advocate for a deal like this.



"That's how it's done in the big leagues, Johnson. You see an opening-- you GO for it!"

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[Edgy MD]

Bombinic.

[vtmet7]

I guess Dom deserves an A for the day...or maybe 3 or 4 A's...as in, is he slumping because of not enough use...is he waking back up getting to see AAA pitching, and will get himself back into his 2020 self (which likely had a lot of AAA type pitching due to COVID)...or is he a quintessential "AAAA" player that is too good for AAA, but not fully up to snuff at the MLB level...

[batmagadanleadoff]

Don's made more major league money than any of his Syracuse Mets teammates -- about $4 milion, to date, and it's not even close. So the Big Macs are on him.

[nymr83]

Whether Dom is a AAAA player or a major league talent I don't think we really know.



To me, at this point, I think the most likely answer is that he is the kind of player who will hit to a 100 OPS+ long term while providing good defense and 1B and below average defense in an outfield corner.



Players like that are desirable while under team control (pre-arb or year to year arbitration) and with options years. Players like this aren't worth much in the trade market and can be readily acquired for a few of Steve's millions any offseason after that point.



If the Reds want to dump salary and gift us Castillo in a deal that includes Dom Smith, his inclusion shouldn't in any way hold up a trade. I would likely trade him 1-1 for any reliever who the Mets feel who improve the bullpen at this point.

[roger_that]

=nymr83 post_id=94906 time=1654489081 user_id=54]
Whether Dom is a AAAA player or a major league talent I don't think we really know.