Collective Bargaining Agreement

[Fman99]

Well shitfarts

[Frayed Knot]

My line of thinking at the moment is that I'm one more cancelation away from me canceling the season on them.

[Marshmallowmilkshake]

March 9, 11:15 p.m. According to MLB Network's Jon Heyman, the negotiators for the owners and players will talk on Thursday morning, with there being “hope to resurrect things” following the Players' Association's offer to work on an international draft. If the draft is agreed to, according to Heyman, draft-pick compensation (the qualifying offer) would be removed from the new CBA, an idea that originally came from Rob Manfred. MLB and the MLBPA hit a roadblock when talking about these issues earlier on Wednesday night, but it now sounds like the two sides are at least willing to start talking things through once again.

I'm optimistic again.



Seems like they are trading the international draft to removing a draft pick from the qualifying offer. That draft pick seems to be a factor in team's being willing to sign those middle-level free agents. I have to suspect the players are more interested in helping their middle class guys than whatever is going to the unsigned international players.

[seawolf17]

Frayed Knot wrote: My line of thinking at the moment is that I'm one more cancelation away from me canceling the season on them.

I say this too, but fuck, you know I can't quit you, Mets. And I hate myself for it. LOL!

[metsmarathon]

they could just leave these two things as is, y'know. status quo ftw.



i don't think the draft pick really kills all that much player salary, whereas the international draft is certainly considered by many dominican players, and from other places, as potentially ruinous. i don't know enough about it, but i could certainly see it being a death-knell to the team-run baseball academies there. why put money into players to no longer get first dibs on a guy?



seems like the obvious solution would be for mlb to start running the academies, and maybe brand them for different teams for marketing purposes...? but who knows.



they should be able to figure this thing out, no?

[Frayed Knot]

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i don't think the draft pick really kills all that much player salary, whereas the international draft is certainly considered by many dominican players, and from other places, as potentially ruinous. i don't know enough about it, but i could certainly see it being a death-knell to the team-run baseball academies there. why put money into players to no longer get first dibs on a guy?

[Edgy MD]

Sure, but those other clubs are constrained by bonus caps.



Just drop it all. No spending constraints. It's all boochit and it will lead to work stoppages into perpetuity. Get rid of it. Burn it down like Left-Eye. Everyone will be the better for it.

[Marshmallowmilkshake]

More optimism! Get this done!

March 10, 11:31 a.m. MLB and the MLBPA have reached an agreement on the international draft issue. Per the agreement, the sides have until July 25 to come to an agreement on the draft. If a deal is reached, the qualifying offer and associated draft pick compensation will be eliminated. If a deal is not reached, the QO and draft pick compensation would remain. In the event the sides reach an agreement on the international draft, it will go into effect in 2024. The rest of negotiations on the CBA were being held up by the international draft issue. With that situation now resolved, the sides can continue working toward an agreement to end the lockout. The two sides are close on the luxury tax, with the union's latest offer asking for $232 million in the first year of the deal while MLB is at $230 million. On the bonus pool, the players are at $65 million and the league is at $40 million. When it comes to the minimum salary, the two sides are painfully close, with the league offering $700,000 in the first year of a new CBA and that salary maxing out at $780,000 in the final year. The players are asking for $710,000 in the first year, and have it maxing out at the same figure as the league. After talks broke down late Wednesday afternoon before quickly being revived, commissioner Rob Manfred scrapped two more regular season series, but used the word "remove" instead of "cancel" when doing so. That is fueling the hope that a full 162-game schedule is still possible if a deal is reached today.

[Benjamin Grimm]

The difference between a minimum salary of $700,000 and $710,000 is so negligible. Splitting the difference at $705,000 seems like a no-brainer. The same about the first year of the CBT. $232 million or $230 million? May I suggest... $231 million?

[Frayed Knot]

Edgy MD wrote: Sure, but those other clubs are constrained by bonus caps.

I was doing more a history of foreign player scouting/signing, most of which took place prior to more recent per/team Int'l bonus caps.

And when Puerto Rican hopefuls were added to the draft procedure (early '90s I believe) the result was a decrease of players coming

from that island which in turn led to draft-free DR and Venezuela becoming the more abundant sources of talent.

[kcmets]

Did anyone have March 10th in the pool?

[bmfc1]

If they make the deal today and start the season on April 15 we can thank Jackie Robinson as not even the selfish, greedy, bastards that own MLB teams (I'm not talking about Steve Cohen) would want to suffer the embarrassment of locking out the players on the 75th Anniversary of Jackie Robinson's first game in MLB.

[metsmarathon]

if they could've played 162 games with an agreement on tuesday, why the fuuuuuck could not they do it with one were it to happen today?

[kcmets]

Union votes yes -- MLB Network quoting Hey Man.

[G-Fafif]

[Benjamin Grimm]

Passan saying that Opening Day is expected to be April 7.

[G-Fafif]

No more seven-inning doubleheaders or runners on second to start extra innings.

[kcmets]

^^ AMEN! ^^

[metsmarathon]

"The new five-year CBA is expected to include increased minimum salaries, a new pre-arbitration bonus pool to reward the top young players in the game, a raise in competitive balance tax thresholds, the introduction of a universal designated hitter, the widest-ranging Draft lottery in pro sports, a system to prevent alleged service-time manipulation, limits on the number of times a player can be optioned in a season and a 12-team postseason. There will also be the evaluation of an international Draft."

[Benjamin Grimm]

So each league will have three division winners and three wild cards.



Do we know yet how the playoffs will be structured? Do two of the division winners get a bye from a first-round best-of-three?

[Fman99]

A-FUCKING-MEN TO THAT

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

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No more seven-inning doubleheaders or runners on second to start extra innings.

[Edgy MD]

I'm so happy that I will finally get the chance to start miserably booing the proliferation of the designated hitter.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I'm happier about the end of the extra-inning baserunner and the seven-inning games than I am upset about the DH. (And I really hate the DH.)

[nymr83]

Did anyone have March 10th in the pool?

I had "Putin installs Puppet Government in Kyiv" ahead of "Billionaires and Millionaires come to their senses"

[nymr83]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I'm happier about the end of the extra-inning baserunner and the seven-inning games than I am upset about the DH. (And I really hate the DH.)

Ditto. I don't like the DH but I hate those two rules even more - ESPECIALLY the extra inning baserunner.

[kcmets]

Ratification slated for 6PM -- MLB Network quoting that Martino guy you all

have a pet name for lololol...

[batmagadanleadoff]

I didn't follow this at all, not even a speck of it, other than the posts I read on this forum. I assumed that if games had to be canceled, it wouldnt be more than two or three weeks worth of games and about that possibility, I didnt give a flying fuck about it, either way. I have no idea whether they agreed to expand playoffs, and if so, by how many teams. Other than expanded playoffs, which I Ioathe, I just dont give a shit about any of this.

[bmfc1]

Hooray!

[Benjamin Grimm]

Okay, now sign Michael Conforto and Kris Bryant and, I don't know, Sandy Koufax and Walter Johnson.