Trade Deadline Action 2021

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Marlinz trade submariner bullpenner Adam Cimber & OF Corey Dickerson to the Jayz for our old friend Joe Panik and a MiLB pitcher.



Dickerson was okay, sidearming relievers always good to have around. Joe Panik? The prospect maybe is good but not even mentioned.



I'm thinking it's time the Mets made a trade. They've cycled through the AAAA guys and prospects, need a shake up of some kind

[cal sharpie]

Hard to figure that trade from the Marlins POV.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Save $$. Get thru the season with a Proven Veteran Infielder. And I guess, they like the prospect.



I find myself beginning to think about the post McNeil Mets. I dunno, he looks pissed off all the time, not getting along with Lindor in the field, probably has some value. I don;t have a trade in mind or a hard strategy here, and not looking to offload anyone, just, I dunno.

[Ceetar]

The Mets front office is a mess so I don't even know what to expect from them, and if they're prepared going forward.



Like, two big parts of the math is the DH and the strike next season. I'm not sure Cohen's been here long enough (at least ,paying attention wise, he's been here for nearly a decade) to have a feel for the ownership and if they're going to get their back up about negotiations and end up with a strike.



If there's no DH, you might want to resolve this Alonso/Smith thing. Smith hasn't been a butcher necessarily in the OF, but it's not ideal. Alonso isn't great at first either, and you definitely might be able to get surplus value there if you're trading him to a hitters park.



Like it or not, pending whatever testing/strike does, Cano is back next year and better than McNeil. Do you just keep McNeil and lose Davis? McNeil has been really good, the entire time, except for this year, but it's an injury plagued small sample, so I dunno that it's anything but that. I assume he'd start to get the hang of playing with Lindor after some more reps, if there's really much issue there.



I dunno, there's a lot of possibility, but nothing clear to me, about what the Mets should do. Need another serviceable starter for sure, maybe 2. Honestly I'd love to go to a 6-man somehow for like, July, and ease into a little more of a 'deGrom goes every 5th day regardless of off day' type schedule, hoping that the slower, 6-man rotation keeps him healthier in the meantime.

[Marshmallowmilkshake]

=Ceetar post_id=69465 time=1624991679 user_id=102]
The Mets front office is a mess so I don't even know what to expect from them, and if they're prepared going forward.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Cano's not in my plans, and I'd be a little surprised were he in the Mets' but he (and the DH, etc) isn't really impacting my thinking about a trade NOW.



I'm more along the lines of McNeil needing a "change of scenery" and the Mets needing a different kind of energy. I can't really explain it but this team for whatever reason isn't putting up enough points to survive a weakened pitching staff, and that fightfight stuff--they all played it off, but it was a real thing.

[Ceetar]

It's not so much about the plans persay, just sorta looking at the roster and where the 'extra' is. Cano is still a guy. He's still a Hall of Fame caliber hitter the last we saw him. He hasn't played against MLB level competition, but you don't just dump an asset for the hell of it. I'm not saying he's a big consideration, but you still have to actively decide what to do with him and what he's worth, or you're not worth anything as a GM. And that plays into if you're thinking of a "post Jeff McNeil" Mets team, even right now. Even if that's just "we're okay pretending Cano is our 2022 2B guy, because we expect a strike anyway and maybe we have more information when that resolves itself" and you trade McNeil for a package that helps you now. I dunno.





But the front office is a mess, no matter what you think about the guys they took flyers on this year versus last year. I dunno, I kind feel like I'd rather have Porcello than Eickhoff if we're coming right down to it. Or Stephen Matz for that matter. Or Yoenis Cespedes. But they've fired like 2-3 GMs, Sandy is but isn't but is, but isn't? the decision maker. Will he be here next year? are there more dominos from the BS sexual assault fixer they hired? Is Zack Scott permanent? temporary? interim? is he making decisions with long term in mind? They're still working on the last admin's second choice as manager, and certainly couldn't have given a lot of thought to the hitting coach they quickly replaced Chili Davis with.



So like, is that group motivated to "make a run for it?" are they going to trade prospects in July, or bank on Carrasco and the like returning? Are they thinking long term?

[batmagadanleadoff]

I'm not concerned about the Mets offense. I realize how bad it is this season, but I think it should revert to the mean, which, I believe, is a tremendous offense. I'm chalking all of this up to bad luck, a historically dead ball which is suppressing offenses everywhere, but particularly the Mets because of the humidor the Mets are using this season -- and because they play in a pitcher's park, which are impacted harder by deader balls. I think it's mostly external conditions that's causing the Mets offensive woes. That's al;so why the pitching is so good - with three all-star caliber starters, including one for the ages and two of the best relievers (Diaz and Loup). Put back a regular ball in play and take away the Citi Field humidor and the Mets'll hit better. And the pitching'll get worse. Including deGrom.

Edited June 29, 2021 by Guest

[Ceetar]

but particularly the Mets because of the humidor the Mets are using this season.

This season? I've heard "rumors" they've been doing this for years but I can't find anything concrete. Was there something new?



as for the ball itself, MLB seems particularly inept at that, and I'm not really sure what they were even aiming for, or what is 'normal' anymore.



I do think the offense will be better than it has too for sure. And I really don't think the other teams have what it takes to really catch the Mets either.

[batmagadanleadoff]

=Ceetar post_id=69481 time=1625000269 user_id=102]


as for the ball itself, MLB seems particularly inept at that, and I'm not really sure what they were even aiming for, or what is 'normal' anymore.

[Ceetar]

sure, it's the "put back a regular ball in play" I was focusing on. I don't even know what counts as regular now, as they've been manipulating it for years now to what seems like random effect.

[Marshmallowmilkshake]

It's not so much about the plans persay, just sorta looking at the roster and where the 'extra' is. Cano is still a guy. He's still a Hall of Fame caliber hitter the last we saw him.

When we last saw him he was using both a juiced ball AND a juiced body.

But the front office is a mess, no matter what you think about the guys they took flyers on this year versus last year. I dunno, I kind feel like I'd rather have Porcello than Eickhoff if we're coming right down to it. Or Stephen Matz for that matter. Or Yoenis Cespedes. But they've fired like 2-3 GMs, Sandy is but isn't but is, but isn't? the decision maker. Will he be here next year? are there more dominos from the BS sexual assault fixer they hired? Is Zack Scott permanent? temporary? interim? is he making decisions with long term in mind? They're still working on the last admin's second choice as manager, and certainly couldn't have given a lot of thought to the hitting coach they quickly replaced Chili Davis with. So like, is that group motivated to "make a run for it?" are they going to trade prospects in July, or bank on Carrasco and the like returning? Are they thinking long term?

I disagree again. The difference isn't between Porcello and Eickhoff, it's between Porcello and Walker. Eickhoff is an insurance pickup they hoped never to use and is going to be the first guy sent back to upstate New York when a live arm returns. Porcello was counted on to be a fifth starter at best and and at worst the long reliever/first guy called on after an injury. It's the difference between Kevin Pillar and Billy Hamilton. You want Cespedes instead of Pillar?

[Ceetar]

I don't have the energy to subjectively rank last year's bench versus this year. or 2019 for that matter, since 2020 was stupid and unfair.



Absolutely I want Cespedes instead of Pillar. It's criminal that Yoenis doesn't have a job right now.

[Gwreck]

=Ceetar post_id=69465 time=1624991679 user_id=102]The Mets front office is a mess so I don't even know what to expect from them

[Edgy MD]

=Ceetar post_id=69476 time=1624998979 user_id=102]He's still a Hall of Fame caliber hitter the last we saw him.

[Ceetar]

=Gwreck post_id=69489 time=1625003455 user_id=56]
=Ceetar post_id=69465 time=1624991679 user_id=102]The Mets front office is a mess so I don't even know what to expect from them

[Edgy MD]

I'm not sure how to respond to that. It's the first year under a new owner.

[Gwreck]

=Ceetar post_id=69494 time=1625005056 user_id=102]
=Gwreck post_id=69489 time=1625003455 user_id=56]
=Ceetar post_id=69465 time=1624991679 user_id=102]The Mets front office is a mess so I don't even know what to expect from them

[batmagadanleadoff]

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=69480 time=1624999947 user_id=68]
I'm not concerned about the Mets offense. I realize how bad it is this season, but I think it should revert to the mean, which, I believe, is a tremendous offense. I'm chalking all of this up to bad luck, a historically dead ball which is suppressing offenses everywhere, but particularly the Mets because of the humidor the Mets are using this season -- and because they play in a pitcher's park, which are impacted harder by deader balls. I think it's mostly external conditions that's causing the Mets offensive woes. That's al;so why the pitching is so good - with three all-star caliber starters, including one for the ages and two of the best relievers (Diaz and Loup). Put back a regular ball in play and take away the Citi Field humidor and the Mets'll hit better. And the pitching'll get worse. Including deGrom.

[bmfc1]

Send him up against the Phillies!

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/07/mets-interested-in-asdrubal-cabrera.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MlbTradeRumors+%28MLB+Trade+Rumors%29https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/07/mets-interested-in-asdrubal-cabrera.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MlbTradeRumors+%28MLB+Trade+Rumors%29

[Edgy MD]

I guessed that this afternoon.

[Lefty Specialist]

No. Asdrubal isn't enough of an offensive upgrade vs Villar or Guillorme at this point. And he's not a good fielder, which both of them are.

[seawolf17]

Yeah, I don't get what Asdrubal brings us that we don't already have.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I agree. He was a terrific Met, especially in 2016, but he wouldn't be better than Villar or Guillorme. Maybe he'd be better than Peraza, but that's not where the Mets most need to upgrade.

[Edgy MD]

It strikes me that the Asdrubal Market may have shifted a bit in the last 48 hours.

[ashie62]

The Rockies let Arenado go, would they unload Trevor Story.



It's not like Lindor is coming back soon so why not.



Story is a free agent next year so the Rocks could make a qualifying offer and get a draft pick if they hold him.

[Ceetar]

Welcome to the only ongoing story of the Colorado Rockies since like February, where will Story go?

[smg58]

Pitching has to be a higher priority, but I would at least do a price check on Story.

[Edgy MD]

Don't know what kind of indicator it is, but he's having a falloff season.



It may all be non-predictative, but with both Villar and Guillorme out-rate-statting him, and every reason to expect an eventual return this season from Lindor, he certainly wouldn't be at the top of my list.

[Frayed Knot]

The still slugging 41 y/o Nelson Cruz [19 HRs, 907 OPS] to the Rays in a multi player deal.

The Twins were expected to complete in the Central this year but aren't, and the Rays look to be in a season-long dogfight with the Sox for top spot in the East.



I have no idea about the particulars in the deal but it's logical thinking at least for both sides.