Jared Porter in Hot Water (split from They Go to Jared) [update: terminated]

[A Boy Named Seo]

I'm so glad this dude was fired before I woke up today.

[Fman99]

So who's the most reprehensible Jared now? The Subway guy? The shit-ass presidential son in law? Or this guy firing off the dong photos? So many choices.

[Gwreck]

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Disturbing that this was something of a known secret that the Mets couldn't manage to get wind of.

It's not an excuse, but consider that Porter was also hired by another MLB organization after leaving the Cubs (his employer at the time of the conduct) but before the Mets.



If we assume Porter was not honest when asked a “skeletons in the closet” question, and we know the person who was harassed was trying to keep it quiet to protect her career (as evidenced by the ESPN article), I'm not sure this could be described as “known secret.”



It's embarrassing but I don't think the Mets are unique in occasionally hiring someone with previously hidden bad conduct.

[Lefty Specialist]

Jeez. Men are stupid. How do you possibly do something like this and not think it will blow up in your face at some point?

[Lefty Specialist]

=Fman99 post_id=54316 time=1611070615 user_id=86]
So who's the most reprehensible Jared now? The Subway guy? The shit-ass presidential son in law? Or this guy firing off the dong photos? So many choices.

[A Boy Named Seo]

What level of vetting should an organization do for a position like this? Like, hiring a PI seems a little much, but one's step below a PI?

[Centerfield]

Curious. How could the Mets have known about this?

[Centerfield]

=Fman99 post_id=54278 time=1611061758 user_id=86]
I've been drunk and stupid since 1987 and still managed to not send photos of my boner to anyone. There haven't even been any close calls. And this is ME we're talking about. No means no, dude.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Well ESPN (despite MFS's irrelevant remark upthread) did it's job in holding tight on this for more than 2 years but just knowing that much makes it reasonable to assume this could have come out, and there were several parties who knew. My feeling though was that it'd be a signal of how this guy has a demented perspective on interpersonal relationships and that could have bled into his day-to-day style in a way that would strike co-workers as odd and might come out in a thorough vetting

[nymr83]

https://twitter.com/stevenacohen2/status/1351513683663450116?s=21https://twitter.com/stevenacohen2/status/1351513683663450116?s=21

The more I think about it, the more I think this is a bold move by Cohen. He could have let Sandy fire him or gone about firing him in many other ways, but tweeting "zero tolerance" was bold, especially given that there were allegations of harassment at Cohen's main business - he must feel pretty damn confident that whatever those circumstances were and whatever the accuser(s) can say about the 'environment' he created, that nothing can actually be pinned on him personally, right?

[nymr83]

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Disturbing that this was something of a known secret that the Mets couldn't manage to get wind of. It's not an excuse, but consider that Porter was also hired by another MLB organization after leaving the Cubs (his employer at the time of the conduct) but before the Mets. If we assume Porter was not honest when asked a “skeletons in the closet” question, and we know the person who was harassed was trying to keep it quiet to protect her career (as evidenced by the ESPN article), I'm not sure this could be described as “known secret.” It's embarrassing but I don't think the Mets are unique in occasionally hiring someone with previously hidden bad conduct.

agreed completely, you can't go "LOLMets" when the Diamondbacks couldn't find this either - maybe it was just a well-kept secret - the people who knew werent talking!

[LWFS]

Cohen made the only move he could make, and did it swiftly.



Had this been the previous regime-- and I get how pointless it is to constantly do this, but crisis-management brings it inescapably to mind-- we would've gotten a "The organization is looking into these serious allegations" memo, and then never hear about it again, except through countless leaks.

Edgy MD wrote: The goofy part is reading back testimonials from when he got hired, describing him as decent, sensitive, and thoughtful. https://twitter.com/billjamesonline/status/1338305439520448512

Alas, Bill James is depressingly... off about a lot of things. (In terms of Old School Stalwarts revealing themselves after going online in a way that almost stains their previous contributions/importance, he's low-key been Murray Chass-class of late.)

[LWFS]

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=Fman99 post_id=54278 time=1611061758 user_id=86]
I've been drunk and stupid since 1987 and still managed to not send photos of my boner to anyone. There haven't even been any close calls. And this is ME we're talking about. No means no, dude.

Edited January 19, 2021 by Guest

[Edgy MD]

Alas, Bill James is depressingly... off about a lot of things. (In terms of Old School Stalwarts revealing themselves after going online in a way that almost stains their previous contributions/importance, he's low-key been Murray Chass-class of late.)

Yeah, but that's just one version of a lot of praise — character praise — the guy seemed to get at the time of his hire.



At another time, Bill James once wrote the following:

When a young player comes to the major leagues and has success right away, writers will almost always write about what a fine young man he is as well as a supreme talent. Never pay any attention to those articles or those descriptions. Albert Pujols is going through this now... people who didn't know Albert Pujols from Jack the Ripper six months ago and have never talked to him more than six feet from his locker are writing very sincerely about what an exceptional young man he is. Doc Gooden, his first three years in baseball, was supposed to be mature beyond his years, polite to everybody, and kind to stray kittens. Rickey Henderson was routinely described, from 1980 through 1982, as "a Jack Armstrong type kid." Sportswriters, despite thier cynicism or because of it, desperately want to believe in athletes as heroes, and will project their hopes onto anyone who offers a blank slate. The problem with this is that, when the players turns out to be human and fallible, people feel betrayed. It is a disservice to athletes to try to make them more than they really are.

It's interesting that James himself fell into the trap, but not with an exciting young athlete, but rather an exciting (to inside-baseball geeks) young front office executive. But there are plenty of similar tweets out there from a little over a month ago, so James ain't alone.

[whippoorwill]

=Fman99 post_id=54316 time=1611070615 user_id=86]
So who's the most reprehensible Jared now? The Subway guy? The shit-ass presidential son in law? Or this guy firing off the dong photos? So many choices.

[Frayed Knot]

I've been drunk and stupid since 1987 and still managed to not send photos of my boner to anyone. There haven't even been any close calls. And this is ME we're talking about. No means no, dude.

This should be the standard going forward for situations like this.

Boss: "You're fired"

Cad: "But why?"

Boss: "Because you did something even FMan wouldn't do!"

[Edgy MD]

Poorly shaven Sandy live right now.



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[Edgy MD]

Not expecting to fill the position quickly.



DiComo asking what Jared's explanation was.



Sandy sez "There was no explanation. He was apologetic, remorseful, and took responsibility. I wouldn't have expected a good explanation."



"Me 'n' Steve both reached the same conclusion independently."

[Edgy MD]

"I have not heard from any players. I wish anonymous player had the comfort to voice his opinion for attribution. It was the right thing to say."

[Edgy MD]

"We did a routine background check. We didn't do an FBI-level investigation. Should we do that in the future? Maybe. This risk exists with every employee that's hired."

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Davidoff reporting live from his bathroom, in his undershirt

[Edgy MD]

"I have been the head of baseball operations since I was hired and will continue to be so. I'm very happy with the group we have been building."

[Edgy MD]

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Davidoff reporting live from his bathroom, in his undershirt

Seriously, come on, Davidoff.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Toscano sets his thermostat at 83 degrees, or just coming off a workout. Sherman evidently likes working with his laptop of the carpet, standing above it.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Pandemic has forced Healey to convert his front closet into a home office

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Waldstein obviously didn't get the "don't touch your face" COVID memo.



Carig reports from a LIDS store at the mall yet is not wearing a hat.



Carig brings his a strong body language to his questioning, looking directly at the subject and with an expression that says "you have to answer for this." Good fundies

[Edgy MD]

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Toscano sets his thermostat at 83 degrees, or just coming off a workout. Sherman evidently likes working with his laptop of the carpet, standing above it.

Toscano gets younger every press conference. I imagine he was just out skateboarding.

[ashie62]

Lefty Specialist wrote: Jeez. Men are stupid. How do you possibly do something like this and not think it will blow up in your face at some point?

Alcohol, lots of it, was involved.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Yeah that's not a big leap to make. A powerful guy who does does dumb shit like this probably also has substance abuse issues

[Benjamin Grimm]

I was a little amused by how Sandy's wife (I assume) kept photobombing the session. She sure opens and closes the refrigerator a lot. But I really liked when Sandy's dog (unseen) entered the room with a squeaky toy.