Hall of Fame Voting, 2021

[bmfc1]

So many people I dislike including one that advocated for the murder of journalists.

6 former Mets.



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[MFS62]

My votes would be for guys who I feel deserve more consideration than they have received:

Todd Helton

Jeff Kent

Manny Ramirez

Omar Vizquel

Billy Wagner

Sammy Sosa



Later

[G-Fafif]

Just learned the late Marty Noble is a finalist for the Spink Award. He not only deserves it, he deserved when when he was alive.

[A Boy Named Seo]

Yeah, not a terribly likable bunch, huh. Vizquel was just wonderful. LaTroy must've been a lot better than I remember. I think I would vote for only Barry Zito on the stipulation that his induction speech is just him noodling a bunch of Phish covers on acoustic guitar.

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[Edgy MD]

No offense to the rookies, but that's not a strong class of first-year guys, which leads me to conclude a swell of support for legacy candidacies, which would seemingly put juiceboxes Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds over the bar.

[bmfc1]

Bonds/Clemens/Schilling/Sosa: the upside is that we wouldn't have to hear them debated every year so all at once and it's over with.

The downside, of course, is that they are Hall of Famers forever and their cheating/disgusting behavior will have been condoned in the name of their stats.

Get ready for months of Andy Pettitte talk on WFAN.

[metsmarathon]

rolen, helton, jones, schilling



and i guess bonds, clemens, and manny, too.

[bmfc1]

I'd vote for Nick Swisher's wife https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JoAnna_Garciahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JoAnna_Garcia before I voted for him. I'd vote for Kent and Wagner but you don't have to vote for anyone.

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[Benjamin Grimm]

I know I'm very opposed to Clemens and Bonds, and I'd be quite happy to see Schilling get passed over.



As for the rest, I don't really know enough to have an opinion. The name "Dan Haren" is barely familiar to me.

[nymr83]

Barry Bonds

Roger Clemens

Manny Ramirez

Scott Rolen

Curt Schilling

Sammy Sosa



they'll be combining this year's inductees with last year's cancelled ceremony - the more people to share Jeter's spotlight the better.



the first year guys are really bad. i didnt even think about them for a second.



I'm a little torn on Andruw Jones, but he did nothing after age 29 and Kenny Lofton/Jim Edmonds aren't in as Centerfielders who had better recent careers, so no.

[nymr83]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I know I'm very opposed to Clemens and Bonds, and I'd be quite happy to see Schilling get passed over. As for the rest, I don't really know enough to have an opinion. The name "Dan Haren" is barely familiar to me.

You don't remember Scott Rolen? good player for the Cardinals/Phillies and a bit of a Met-killer from what I remember

[Benjamin Grimm]

I do remember Scott Rolen, but I don't really have a feel for what kind of career he had.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Not looking at the numbers but is Rolen legit enough to require a hard look? I wouldn't be surprised if not, but from the blue and orange standpoint he's a must before they look at and sympathy-vote Wright down wright will have every tabloid NY vote and none anywhere else.

[Marshmallowmilkshake]

Bloody sock + 2001 DBacks + Yankee tears > sharing a stupid meme.



I understand the arguments in favor Bonds and Clemens. But Manny was busted, what, twice? I don't think any of them get in.

[seawolf17]

Jeez. This ballot is lukewarm at best. Bonds, Helton, Manny, Wagner are my only votes.



I could be talked into Andruw Jones, Jeff Kent, Gary Sheffield, and Sosa.



Should Clemens and Schilling be there? Probably, but eff 'em.



Definite no to Abreu, Buehrle, Burnett, Cuddyer, Haren, Hawkins, Hudson, Hunter, Pettitte, Aramis Ramirez, Rolen, Swisher, Victorino, Vizquel, and Zito.

[seawolf17]

And as always, it is some serious bullshit when guys like Nick Swisher and Michael Cuddyer get on the ballot and Edgardo Alfonzo never did.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Edgardo Alfonzo never did?

[Edgy MD]

Omar V. may be a definite no, but in another era, he might well be a lot of folks' definite yes. Eleven Gold Gloves at a premium position was serious enough that little more than a glance was necessary to review the offensive numbers.



He could fall off the ballot after one vote, but he'll probably get in 20-25 years later through some iteration of the Veterans Committee. Most of his comps (which aren't adjusted for era, of course) are in, and the others have either gotten serious consideration or will be getting such. The Rabbit Maranville Club — bunch of great bunters, they are.



A sub-.700 OPS is still a sub-.700 OPS, of course.

[nymr83]

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Not looking at the numbers but is Rolen legit enough to require a hard look? I wouldn't be surprised if not, but from the blue and orange standpoint he's a must before they look at and sympathy-vote Wright down wright will have every tabloid NY vote and none anywhere else.

he is legit and if you are just looking a offensive numbers you are missing that he was one of the great defensive thirdbasemen

[G-Fafif]

Just learned the late Marty Noble is a finalist for the Spink Award. He not only deserves it, he deserved when when he was alive.

[kcmets]

How can Marty Noble not be in? More bull bleep, different year. Its as bad as

that yearly Cleveland OH nonsense. Feh!!

[G-Fafif]

From the BBWAA site:

Kaegel received 183 votes from the 374 ballots, including three blanks, cast by BBWAA members with 10 or more consecutive years' service in becoming the 72nd winner of the award since its inception in 1962 and named for the first recipient. Spink was a driving force of The Sporting News, known during his lifetime as the “Baseball Bible.” The late Marty Noble, a staple of New York press boxes for more than four decades, received 115 votes. Allan Simpson, the former minor-league executive who founded the influential publication Baseball America, got 73.

We could clearly use a little New York bias up in here.

[Marshmallowmilkshake]

=G-Fafif post_id=51871 time=1607460383 user_id=55]
From the BBWAA site:

Kaegel received 183 votes from the 374 ballots, including three blanks, cast by BBWAA members with 10 or more consecutive years' service in becoming the 72nd winner of the award since its inception in 1962 and named for the first recipient. Spink was a driving force of The Sporting News, known during his lifetime as the “Baseball Bible.” The late Marty Noble, a staple of New York press boxes for more than four decades, received 115 votes. Allan Simpson, the former minor-league executive who founded the influential publication Baseball America, got 73.

We could clearly use a little New York bias up in here.

[G-Fafif]

Well deserved, I think. Baseball Al Michael's was superb Al Michael's.

[MFS62]

Bump!

Tick Tock.

The announcement is scheduled for later today, and some stories say nobody will be elected this year.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/30703934/2021-baseball-hall-famehttps://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/30703934/2021-baseball-hall-fame



Later

[Frayed Knot]

=MFS62 post_id=54853 time=1611696620 user_id=60]... some stories say nobody will be elected this year.

[MFS62]

Nobody will be spoiling his day (rats!).

Later

[G-Fafif]

Larry Walker, Ted Simmons and, if they choose to participate, the heirs of Marvin Miller will elbow in on Jeterfest ‘21.



Fuck Schilling. Good.

[A Boy Named Seo]

Schilling already throwing a tantrum. Yeah, fuck that guy.

[G-Fafif]

This is Schilling's tantrum, which he posted to Facebook:

I want to share with everyone the letter I wrote to the folks at the Hall of Fame yesterday. They've been otherworldly kind and gracious in every way possible and I'll be forever grateful to them and for that. This was written privately and for their eyes only but I have always been fine with anyone knowing how I feel and what I think. “Hey guys. Couple things. First off I am not sure I can express my level of gratitude and sincere appreciation at the graciousness, kindness and desire on all your parts to help me navigate this process. I can say at this point I am mentally done. I know math and I know trends and I know I will not attain the 75% threshold for induction. As I've stated often over the past years to those I've spoken with in my heart I am at peace. Nothing, zero, none of the claims being made by any of the writers hold merit. In my 22 years playing professional baseball in the most culturally diverse locker rooms in sports I've never said or acted in any capacity other than being a good teammate. I've certainly been exposed to racism and sexism and homophobia as it's part of who human beings are. I've played with and talked with gay teammates. I've played with wife beaters, adulterers, assaulted, drug addicts and alcoholics. I've never hit a woman, driven drunk, done drugs, PEDs or otherwise, assaulted anyone or committed any sort of crime. But I'm now somehow in a conversation with two men who cheated, and instead of being accountable they chose to destroy others lives to protect their lie. I will always have one thing they will forever chase. A legacy. Whatever mine is as a player it will be the truth, and one I earned for better or worse. Having said all that the media has created a Curt Schilling that does not and has never existed. It's one of the things that has allowed me to sleep at night. Not an ounce of that is to absolve myself of sin, Lord knows I've committed my share and will do so again. Never malicious, never to willfully or intentionally hurt another person. I was 100% accountable and still am. Even the thought of responding to claims of “nazi” or “racist” or any other term so watered down and rendered meaningless by spineless cowards who have never met me makes me ill. In modern times responding to such drivel somehow validates the claim. My love of this country has always been worn on my sleeve. My desire to do the right thing and be a good person has driven most of my life choices. I stood at my locker 400+ times after my starts and took every question and answered honestly. Those people who stood there asking the questions KNOW what they are claiming is untrue yet they quote, re-quote and link to one another story after story that began as lies and grew into bigger ones. The game has made it clear it does not want me back and that's fine, the game owes me exactly nothing. It gave a billion more times than it took and I'll forever be deeply in debt to it. My desire to work with and teach young men the art of pitching will be tucked away. But as I watch my wife battle cancer and go through the grueling soul crushing process of chemotherapy and see her hurt every time some idiot writes another hit piece linking to other hit pieces, none rooted in any sort of truth but rather story after story of “what he meant was” and “what he's saying is” and “that's a dog whistle for” all the while providing zero actual acts or quotes of the claims being made I can't help but to go into deep conversation with my father. “Never live your life trying to impress people you don't know, or who don't know you” and what that means in todays world. Being an aspie has allowed it to flow like water off a ducks back. But to see the hurt I'm causing my wife and to have my children read and hear this stuff and then look at me and try and match a public “image” that in no way aligns with the man their father is , has been something I never considered. I do not and never will “scoreboard” the cowards but if I'm not mistaken only Jamie Moyer and I “swept” the humanitarian awards players can win. Awards meant to define who the true man is apart from the player. These same writers voted on those awards. Do those awards and 22 years absent of a single validating event to support their claims define me? Or does a “what he meant to say” tweet? Based on the vote and the pike of dung authored by morally decrepit men like Dan Shaughnessy it's the latter. I cannot and will not say or do anything to possibly soften a weak willed mans opinion of me if it is not something I believe. Just or not. I've chosen Arizona as the team I would have represented if I had been inducted and even though I heard someone there is calling for the DBacks front office to “meet” should the induction happen I'll stand with that decision as I know Mr Kendrick to be an honorable and kind man. Should that change it most certainly would be the Phillies. What Mr Henry and Mr Werner did to my family and I in my final year has been forgiven but will never be forgotten. One thing this text certifies is that I talk way too much but I know I was never a yes/no answer guy. I apologize for the insane length of this but I guess I needed an outlet and I sure as hell don't want to dump any of this on a woman who just ended her 3rd chemo and provides the reasons I eat sleep and breathe everyday. Why the text? If by some miracle this would happen I have zero interest in taking questions from the very group who lined up to destroy my character with no regard to anyone in my life or being held to account for their lies. I would and will talk with the guys on the MLB network if you want that, but no one else. I wanted to reiterate this final point. I will not participate in the final year of voting. I am requesting to be removed from the ballot. I'll defer to the veterans committee and men whose opinions actually matter and who are in a position to actually judge a player. I don't think I'm a hall of famer as I've often stated but if former players think I am then I'll accept that with honor. Again, I won't be able to thank you for your kindness and sincere interest in this process as it pertains to me. I'll be forever grateful. God Bless you all again and one more time a final thank you for all your efforts to help my family and I.