We Hate the Phillies and Zack Wheeler 2020

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

That fuckin guy sucked anyway



Signed,

Johnny In Denial Lunchbucket

[Gwreck]

Nice to see the Mets remain committed to winning.

[whippoorwill]

Edit: thinking of someone else

[Edgy MD]

(Rapidly checking the convoluted compensation rules to check what kind of pick the Mets get back.)

[Gwreck]

Somewhere around the 80th pick next June.

[bmfc1]

Helluva job BVW. One of the reasons that he traded for Diaz is to block the Phillies but here, he made no effort (that we heard of) to keep Wheeler after he became a FA. He also could have traded Wheeler last season and got more than the 80th pick in the draft (counter: the Mets challenged for the WC spot and we had a fun two months).



I'm awaiting a quote from BVW saying "this is why we acquired Stroman".

[kcmets]

Guess reports weren't kidding that this one was on the fast trzack!

[Edgy MD]

=Gwreck post_id=27564 time=1575489265 user_id=56]
Somewhere around the 80th pick next June.

[Chad ochoseis]

Am I the only one who thinks that maybe, just maybe, 5 years at about $24 million per is a little rich for an almost 30 year old pitcher who has never had an ERA below 3.30 in a pitcher friendly park?

[kcmets]

YEAH! Citizen Bank Park is light Zack up like a pinball machine for the

next 2-3-4 years!! Girardi THAT!!

[Edgy MD]

Chad ochoseis wrote: Am I the only one who thinks that maybe, just maybe, 5 years at about $24 million per is a little rich for an almost 30 year old pitcher who has never had an ERA below 3.30 in a pitcher friendly park?

I think maybe 29 GMs might agree with you. But it only takes one.

[seawolf17]

Peace out, sucka. Can't wait to light him up 25 times in the next few seasons.

[Ceetar]

Chad ochoseis wrote: Am I the only one who thinks that maybe, just maybe, 5 years at about $24 million per is a little rich for an almost 30 year old pitcher who has never had an ERA below 3.30 in a pitcher friendly park?

no, that's all true. and pitchers, injuries, etc.



but you still don't have one of the best pitchers of 2018-2019 in 2020 AND he's on a rival.



The Mets DO need another good pitcher. And it makes sense to get the best that they can get, but hell, go grab Ryu for less/shorter and I'll be over losing Wheeler real fast.

[smg58]

=Ceetar post_id=27590 time=1575492302 user_id=102]The Mets DO need another good pitcher. And it makes sense to get the best that they can get, but hell, go grab Ryu for less/shorter and I'll be over losing Wheeler real fast.

[TransMonk]

Word from Sox fans is that the White Sox reportedly offered Zack Wheeler more money than the Phillies and he turned it down. Wheeler's wife is from New Jersey, so they wanted to stay closer to family.



I have zero linkable evidence for this, but as our president says, "people are saying", "I hear", etc.

[Ceetar]

Word from Sox fans is that the White Sox reportedly offered Zack Wheeler more money than the Phillies and he turned it down. Wheeler's wife is from New Jersey, so they wanted to stay closer to family. I have zero linkable evidence for this, but as our president says, "people are saying", "I hear", etc.

I saw some of that too. Could be just them saving face. Could be peanuts. Could be a tax thing. Could be a back/front loaded thing. more buyouts, who knows.

[Frayed Knot]

May he do for the Phillies what pilfering Bryce Harper and JT Realmuto away from division rivals did for them in 2019 (a one game improvement in their record)

[LWFS]

Chad ochoseis wrote: Am I the only one who thinks that maybe, just maybe, 5 years at about $24 million per is a little rich for an almost 30 year old pitcher who has never had an ERA below 3.30 in a pitcher friendly park?

Strange but true: perennial 4-5 WAR dude/All-Star Bumgarner is less than a year older than young up-and-comer Wheeler.

[Fman99]

Likeable guy. I hope he spends five years being terrible for 63 win Philly teams.

[Edgy MD]

Word from Sox fans is that the White Sox reportedly offered Zack Wheeler more money than the Phillies and he turned it down. Wheeler's wife is from New Jersey, so they wanted to stay closer to family. I have zero linkable evidence for this, but as our president says, "people are saying", "I hear", etc.

I believe Mrs. W has been known to kick around town in a Yankee hat.

[smg58]

Bumgarner has never had an ERA over 4, and he's treated like a has-been. He'll be ace-caliber again if he gets the home runs in check.

[seawolf17]

=smg58 post_id=27708 time=1575554402 user_id=62]
Bumgarner has never had an ERA over 4, and he's treated like a has-been. He'll be ace-caliber again if he gets the home runs in check.

[LWFS]

As would I... but injury history/arm mileage does have SOMETHING to do with the wariness, too. He's been a different dude since the dirt bike dust-up two years ago (lower fastball velocity, significantly fewer K/9)... if he's performing at this level now, he's not worth 22M/year over 4-5 years; if this is just him working his way back in extended fashion from the 2017 injury, and you think he's got brighter days ahead, THEN you give him the money.

[Ceetar]

Wheeler is better than Bumgarner. He's just only really done it for two years, but those years were as good as any Bumgarner's had since 2016.



Madison did have a bit of a bounceback last year, but his numbers have all been worse the last three years, and it's not easy to expect it's part of a decline. Last year he did get his contact numbers back down, some more swinging strikes, and even a bit more velocity than 2017,2018. Lots more value from his fastball, per norm. There's some speculation that maybe he wasn't 100% those two years, but still some risk there. the improve velocity isn't back to pre-injury levels and it's not something you really think will get there at this point.



Still be happy to have him around though, just not for that length of contract.

[seawolf17]

/confused face


https://twitter.com/CoverageGear/status/1202353934330777600

[G-Fafif]

That expression does not say, “Yay, I'm happy to be in this new place.”

[seawolf17]

"Wait, I'm going to give up *how many* more home runs?"

[kcmets]

"Ces gonna tee up on me in that park like his own personal driving range."

[Lefty Specialist]

If Cespedes tees up anything in 2020 I'll be surprised, sorry to say.

[kcmets]

I share your outlook, just funnin'...