So, Mickey Gets Another Half Year... Right?

[kcmets]

Right?

[ashie62]

NOOOOOOOOOO

[TransMonk]

I hope not.

[Edgy MD]

I don't know if the decisions have already been made either way, but the ultimate ending of that last game had to have bought him at least some grace, deserved or not.

[Gwreck]

Did it? It seemed to me he did a poor job managing sentimental concerns and competition concerns, and just wound up lucky in the end.

[Edgy MD]

That's what grace is, man — love that you don't really deserve.

[seawolf17]

I think he does too, whether that's the right call or not.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

I always feel bad for outgoing Mets managers because it's never 100% their fault. Mickey I feel was sorta left to twist a bit by the administration, tried to carry out the directives but never really found a comfortable footing. And the Diaz-Familia failures really doomed him.



Beyond that both his teams really underachieved in the early going, I think partially because they were underprepared, and he couldn't pull either one out nearly in time, and that's on him.



My feeling is its such now that you can't craft a Diaz-Familia comeback that includes Mickey, or a complete picture of the Brodie Era Mets without him naming his own field general.



I think its possible that a club like Pittsburgh or Kansas City could get a chastened and more wisdom-infused Mickey to be their manager and be successful.

[smg58]

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: I always feel bad for outgoing Mets managers because it's never 100% their fault. Mickey I feel was sorta left to twist a bit by the administration, tried to carry out the directives but never really found a comfortable footing. And the Diaz-Familia failures really doomed him. Beyond that both his teams really underachieved in the early going, I think partially because they were underprepared, and he couldn't pull either one out nearly in time, and that's on him. My feeling is its such now that you can't craft a Diaz-Familia comeback that includes Mickey, or a complete picture of the Brodie Era Mets without him naming his own field general. I think its possible that a club like Pittsburgh or Kansas City could get a chastened and more wisdom-infused Mickey to be their manager and be successful.

That's a very reasonable assessment. Personally I was willing to defend Callaway until he threatened a reporter.

[duan]

I just think there's way too many things where I go "he went with his gut and his gut was wrong" that I don't think his in game decision making is great.

I don't think he's a substantial contributor to the positive mental attitude that a number of the team exude - though I could be wrong about that - I think that's mainly created by the players.

It's hard to know if you can blame him at all for the Familia/Diaz cluster fuck, but you certainly can't say he was great for them, and none of the pitchers took a leap forward through his leadership.

I also don't think I'd give him much credit for the O'Neil/Alonso break outs...



And fucking finally there's the Vargas thing. Honestly that was so bad.

[metirish]

I will not be one bit surprised if he's back, or if he's fired

[Centerfield]

Mickey's an idiot. Regardless of whether ownership ponies up and raises payroll or not, no team should intentionally handicap themselves with an idiot manager. Plus he's not likeable. Terry Collins may not have been the sharpest guy out there, but he was so likeable.



I have no idea what Jeff will do here. It's hard to predict stupid people.

[Ceetar]

I 'like' Callaway better than Terry, but perhaps because I kinda enjoy the way he makes the beat guys gnash their teeth.



Given young kids I haven't really been able to dive into the minutia of strategy the way I did previously. I liked a lot of what I heard from Callaway early, but it seems like he departed from some of that, and I'm not sure that was organizational directive or him over-correcting where he felt he 'failed'.



I don't really have a good read on Brodie's tactics yet, but letting a manager ride out the season while you get acquainted with everything seems pretty standard, and then replacing him with your own guy.



I don't think they _have_ to ditch him, but it is probably the right move. Many managers are much the same though, so I can't even say there's someone out there I want. It's all so tied in with stuff we don't understand, directives from above, clubhouse stuff we never hear, injuries and issues we never learn about.

[Guest 41Forever]

I think he is learning on the job a lot, and would have benefited from some time managing in the minors before trying to make the transition from pitching coach to manager. I know some guys make a jump and are successful, but not everyone.



I don't think he's an idiot. I think he's inexperienced.



I think a lot of rookie managers are in a situation where the team is bad and he gets a couple years to grow before results are expected. Mickey was handed the keys to a club with expectations of contending right away.



I think he's gone because a new GM will want his own guy in there and Brodie might have ideas. But I hope Mickey gets another chance somewhere eventually.

[Vic Sage]

Hire. Maddon. Now.

[G-Fafif]

Mickey's culture of positivity (kind of maddening when we yearn for a manager to deliver a public tongue-lashing) probably paid off in cultivating an atmosphere of impressionable players not letting down in a season that seemed to be lost. I'd guess that's not an insignificant factor in what a manager does.



The parts we see, the in-game machinations, have produced too many brutal potholes along the way to compensate for the personality-based assets he brings. Callaway might have been the right guy to nurture a roster full of young, promising players in today's baseball, but it likely needs to be somebody else to guide them to a higher level.

[Edgy MD]

The offseason attitude toward Mickey seems to be beginning to center on "How can you get those seasons out of Alonso and deGrom and not prosper?"



While I don't particularly disagree, that sort of perspective judges him out of context. There were outsized seasons — particularly on offense — all around the league this season. And while Alonso's power trip has been a fun rocket ride, it was hardly and unimpeachable season. He struck out 183 times, breaking the team record and breaking it by 13.7% over the previous high.



That said it takes more than personnel to get the best production out of your team, but I never sensed a consistent philosophy coalescing around Mickey's management, and that was nettlesome.



What's, um, Glenn Hubbard up to? He seemed like a guy who could manage a team. How about Craig Biggio? He's coached a high-school team. The Mets love that sort of experience.

[LWFS]

Vic Sage wrote: Hire. Maddon. Now.

Yyyyyyep.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Vic Sage wrote: Hire. Maddon. Now. Yyyyyyep.

I agree. But dream on.

[metirish]

Apparently BVW likes Buck Showalter



https://nypost.com/2019/10/01/enticing-directions-mets-could-go-if-they-fire-mickey-callaway/https://nypost.com/2019/10/01/enticing-directions-mets-could-go-if-they-fire-mickey-callaway/

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

I think Buck might be fun.

[metirish]

Fun until things go pear shaped ...but , he has the all important NY pedigree

[Ceetar]

do not want Buck myself. I know these things tend to oscillate, 'new blood', 'old school' and we have the new guy now, but I'd still rather someone that hasn't coached before.

[LWFS]

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: I think Buck might be fun.

Not the first, nor the third, nor the 37,853rd word I think of when I think of Showalter.

Edited October 1, 2019 by Guest

[LWFS]

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: I think Buck might be fun.

Not the first, or third, nor 37,853rd word I think of when I think of Showalter.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Maybe not like, a guy you wanna go get beers with fun, but buttoned-up Whitey Herzog fun. A manager who manages, has equity as a talent evaluator, strong opinions on how things oughta be done fun.

[bmfc1]

Ken Rosenthal tweets today that we should keep an eye on Carlos Beltran:

https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1179731787465003008https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1179731787465003008

For me, if you are going with someone who is a former player with no major league managerial experience then I'd pick Edgardo Alonfzo who managed in Brooklyn (and won) this past season.

[Edgy MD]

Met fans' assholes would explode if Beltran got the job.



I'm all for it.

[LWFS]

Venis Takee intrigues. But I always thought Delgado seemed like he would make an excellent minijar.

Edited October 3, 2019 by Guest

[Centerfield]

The following things would definitely happen if Carlos Beltran were to get the manager job:



1. He'd be terrific.



2. Fans wouldn't get it.



3. We'd hear about the strikeout from idiots every time they got mad.



4. He would not be given the talent to win the division, then would be blamed for losing by fans and management. The Wilpons would throw him under the bus and it would end poorly.



That being said, as much as I love Carlos, he did seem to me like he was a sensitive guy. And that's a death sentence for a Mets manager.