Can You Cano?

[Centerfield]

metsmarathon wrote: i'm intrigued by the possibility of the WATP that mlb.com just sent out... cano | edwin diaz | mallex smith for andres giminez | justin dunn | dom smith | jay bruce i'm not sure if i'm intrigued enough to pull the trigger on it, but i like that a heck of a lot more than trading noah. OE: based on steamer projections from fangraphs, that package above would play out to about a 6-win increase for the metsies for '19

I find myself pining for this deal I rejected yesterday.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Mex17 wrote: "Though the deal is not yet official, the trade on the table is Cano/Diaz for Jay Bruce, Anthony Swarzak, Jarred Kelenic, Jeff McNeil, and Justin Dunn. It is possible the Mets can subtract one of those younger players (Kelenic, McNeil, Dunn) before the deal becomes official." https://www.sny.tv/mets/news That's a lot.

Not nearly enough. The Mets will probably need to throw in Jacob deGrom to bring in that haul.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

that's fuckimg insane

[metirish]

Martino now reporting those players above and Bautista

EDIT McNeil not in trade

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

This is getting real stupid real fast.

#TeamNotAtThisFuckingPrice

[Centerfield]

Maybe Melvin would have been better after all.

[batmagadanleadoff]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: "Though the deal is not yet official, the trade on the table is Cano/Diaz for Jay Bruce, Anthony Swarzak, Jarred Kelenic, Jeff McNeil, and Justin Dunn. It is possible the Mets can subtract one of those younger players (Kelenic, McNeil, Dunn) before the deal becomes official." https://www.sny.tv/mets/news That's a lot. Not nearly enough. The Mets will probably need to throw in Jacob deGrom to bring in that haul.

And the thing is, I cant even figure out if that's part of a teardown, or if the Mets are going all in on 2019. On second look-see, and these being the Wilpon owned Mets, that trade looks like a teardown of the present and of the future.

[A Boy Named Seo]

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[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Yuck. If this gets done the next move ought to be signing Bryce Harper, I mean if you're going to go for it then go for it. And trade Matz not Syndrome

[Mex17]

Would you trade a Hall of Fame career for Jared Kelenic as a lifelong Seattle Mariner in exchange for one world championship for the Mets within the next three seasons? That is essentially the question now.

Keep in mind that we just witnessed an entire almost Cooperstown worthy (if not for injury) career of a lifelong Met come and go with no championship to show for it.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Mex17 wrote: Would you trade a Hall of Fame career for Jared Kelenic as a lifelong Seattle Mariner in exchange for one world championship for the Mets within the next three seasons? That is essentially the question now.

No, that's not the question at all. While Kelenic may end up as a Hall-of-Famer, that's just one of many possible scenarios and probably not the most likely one. He could just as easily turn out to be Alex Escobar. Or Fernando Martinez. Or Shawn Abner.

I don't like this deal either (though I dislike it less if McNeil isn't involved) but the Mets apparently think it makes them a better team for 2019 (although that's far from certain) and I guess they figure that, since Kelenic may be four or five years away from playing his first big-league game, they have time to find someone else to replace him.

This trade could turn out to be a very good one, or a very bad one. It's a bold and risky move. It's kind of an answer to anyone who criticized that Sandy Alderson was too cautious. There's a new sheriff in town, and it looks like things are going to be different. For better or worse.

[Mex17]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: No, that's not the question at all.

It's precisely the question because that is what each side wants out of this. Kelenic (and, to a lesser extent, Dunn) is the prize for Seattle. The prospects of a championship for the Mets after a 30+ year drought is the prize for BVW and the Wilpons. Whether or not either or both of those actually happen is where the risk comes in.

BVW is also gambling on there being other toolsy 19 year olds coming up the pike in future years, and that his reinforcements to the FO (Baird and Guttridge) will give him an edge in finding his share of them.

[Mex17]

-2019 Opening Day
Nimmo-rf
Flores-1b
Cano-2b
Frazier-3b
Conforto-lf
"catcher to be named later"
Lagares-cf
pitcher
Rosario-ss

-Somewhere between just 1st and the All-Star Break (hopefully)
Nimmo-cf
McNeil-3b
Cano-2b
Cespedes-lf
Conforto-rf
"catcher to be named later"
Alonso-1b
pitcher
Rosario-ss


That being said, I still have it in my head that Adam Jones could come here relatively cheap for the purpose of Cespedes injury insurance.

[Centerfield]

How do you lose a trade where the other team is hamstrung by a full no trade.

We will see what an obstacle that is when we try to move Cano next season.

[bmfc1]

Welcome to the better side of New York!
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[Fman99]

A Boy Named Seo wrote: [tweet]https://twitter.com/Joelsherman1/status/1068372808454029312[/tweet]

I like this deal way better with McNeil staying in NY. He showed that he can be a legit MLB bat. The prospects are just prospects, none of which have done anything at the MLB level yet.

If McNeil goes along with that package of players I like it WAAAAYYYY less.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Sub Gimenez in for Kelenic, and this would've been cool. As it stands... that's a "no" from me, dog. (Even if you're not a believer, Kelenic is an asset you trade for a whale, not a dry-aged Pacific salmon.)

[Benjamin Grimm]

The best I can say right now is that this deal isn't as bad as it might have been.

We still need to learn how much money Seattle is including in this deal. I'd like to know what the Mets obligation will be to Cano in the last couple of years of his contract.

[G-Fafif]

Yehuda Schwartz is either scooping everybody or jumping the gun on trade being official.

[bmfc1]

Thinking positively: The Mets will be better in 2019 and 2020 with Cano and Diaz. You can argue about how much better but they are better. I'm upset about the 3 young players but they weren't helping short-term (Bautista perhaps but he was erratic last year). Also, they are better without Swarzak and Bruce. Bruce's departure means more playing time for Nimmo and Conforto, and it removes an impediment for Alonso and Smith. However, I hope that this ends any discussion of trading Noah (because they are in win-now mode) and it should be an interim move as they still need a right-handed bat.

Edited November 30, 2018 by Guest

[Benjamin Grimm]

Who's Yehuda Schwartz?

[Benjamin Grimm]

According to this page, the money in Cano's contract is evenly distributed. It won't taper off in the later years, it's an even $24 million per year for each of the next five years.

Robinson Cano Contract Details, Salaries, and Earnings | Spotrac

[seawolf17]

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If this is real, I think I mostly hate it.

[MFS62]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: No, that's not the question at all. While Kelenic may end up as a Hall-of-Famer, that's just one of many possible scenarios and probably not the most likely one. He could just as easily turn out to be Alex Escobar. Or Fernando Martinez. Or Shawn Abner.

Like you, I don't like this trade. But if I knew that was going to happen, I'd feel a lot better about this.
But I feel he's going to go all Amos Otis on us.


OE: WAIT! Thor isn't in that trade? I feel a lot better about it.
Later

[Benjamin Grimm]

Even if he's Amos Otis, he's still not a Hall-of-Famer.

And no, Syndergaard was never part of the Cano conversation.

[dgwphotography]

I'm not crazy about this trade, but I like how proactive BVW has been so far, so I'll wait and see how the roster looks on Opening Day.

OE: I'm not sure it's really official yet. there is nothing in the At Bat app that says it is.

Edited November 30, 2018 by Guest

[MFS62]

If this is primarily for the short term, Fangraphs is projecting McNeil and Cano to have the same WAR next year. If he were still included in the deal, it would have boiled down to all those other players for the reliever.

Later

[DocTee]

I like this only if Cano plays 1B. McNeil showed enough to handle second (and I'm high on TJ Rivera coming back strong).

I thought Swarzak was good enough, when healthy. Bruce deserves a fresh start. This is a high risk/high reward proposition. Beats the hell out of signing Jeff Conine or whoever else is on the discount rack but I'd have rather held onto future assets than acquire past All Stars.

[metirish]

Martino saying "roughly $60M headed Mets way"

[Benjamin Grimm]

So Cano would be costing the Mets $12 million per year. That's not horrible.