"How Bad Are They?"

[G-Fafif]

So bad that the 2018 Mets are the third club in franchise history to fall from at least ten games over .500 to at least three games under .500 in the same season, joining the 1991 Mets and 2010 Mets in this particular lane of infamy. The 2018 Mets raced high above .500 sooner and plunged uncomfortably beneath it sooner than their unfortunately descending predecessors. That's what 15-28 will do immediately after you've started 12-2.

Honorable (?) mention to the 1971 and 1976 Mets who turned similar spikes into precipitous in-season drops. In their cases, the final record didn't suffer nearly so much.

Details here.

[ashie62]

Bad. I now think of Yoenis Cespedes in the same way as Bobby Bonilla.

Yes, the are possibly as bad as the early ninties teams

[Guest d'Kong76]

Ashie62 wrote: I now think of Yoenis Cespedes in the same way as Bobby Bonilla.

Yikes.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I feel like we have progressed to "fire the hitting coach" territory.

[Guest d'Kong76]

Players only meeting at eleven.

[Centerfield]

I think you have to fire Alderson. We can always go back to payroll and point the finger at the owners, but that’s not going to change and we are going to be on this limited budget.

We need someone who can build a winner on this limited budget and it’s becoming clear that Sandy is not that guy.

Jay Bruce, Jason Vargas, Jose Reyes, AJ Ramos, all of these are moves where we would have been better off doing nothing. Gotta find the right guy to build this team knowing we are handcuffed to small market standards.

[Centerfield]

I just hope that from now on, we understand that a team with a shit farm system can’t get away with signing Jay Bruce and Jason Vargas when competitors are signing JD Martinez and Jake Arrieta.

[smg58]

Ashie62 wrote: Bad. I now think of Yoenis Cespedes in the same way as Bobby Bonilla. Yes, the are possibly as bad as the early ninties teams

Cespedes, in his defense, has been hurt for most of this nosedive. But he's hurt too often to be counted on to carry the offense moving forward.

[metirish]

WOW, this team is just awful to watch...absolutely not looking forward to the weekend subway series....Callaway looks lost....

[bmfc1]

Gene Rayburn: "The Mets are so bad"
Audience: "HOW BAD ARE THEY?"
Gene: "They've already been BLANKED for next season"

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

"Awarded the top draft pick"

[Guest cooby]

d'Kong76 wrote: Players only meeting at eleven.

any news on this ? Sorry been offline a few days

[bmfc1]

"Eliminated"

[Guest d'Kong76]

cooby wrote: d'Kong76 wrote: Players only meeting at eleven. any news on this ? Sorry been offline a few days

Sorry, I made that up... was just tacking onto JCL fire the hitting guy comment...

[Guest cooby]

[seawolf17]

Gene Rayburn: "The Mets are so bad" Audience: "HOW BAD ARE THEY?" Gene: "They've already been BLANKED for next season"

[ashie62]

So, who would replace Callaway??

[Lefty Specialist]

Callaway is getting that deer-in-the-headlights look to him. But I think Pat Roessler will be the sacrificial offering to the Noffense gods.

The real question is can they sink behind the Marlins.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Ashie62 wrote: So, who would replace Callaway??

Honestly, I don't get the Fire Callaway crowd. The problem is motivation or something, and NOT shitty hitting/shifty bullpen/shifty depth because of shitty roster construction, or shifty player development?

[batmagadanleadoff]

The. Nats are now in first place as most experts predicted they'd end up in by season's end. And how bad are the Mets? They're now closer to the last place Marlins than to the first place Nats.

[MFS62]

Bad isn't the word for it.
But it will have to suffice until it is replaced in the thread title by something worse.

Later

[Lefty Specialist]

Fuck it, bring up Alonso. He can't be any worse than what they have already.

[Edgy MD]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Ashie62 wrote: So, who would replace Callaway?? Honestly, I don't get the Fire Callaway crowd. The problem is motivation or something, and NOT shitty hitting/shifty bullpen/shifty depth because of shitty roster construction, or shifty player development?

I'm not headhunting, but I tend to think Callaway's doing a pretty bad job deploying his guys and having them ready to play. Particularly the offense and defense.

[Vic Sage]

...Particularly the offense and defense.

Agreed. But what about the rest of the team?

[Guest 41Forever]

Edgy MD wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Ashie62 wrote: So, who would replace Callaway?? Honestly, I don't get the Fire Callaway crowd. The problem is motivation or something, and NOT shitty hitting/shifty bullpen/shifty depth because of shitty roster construction, or shifty player development? I'm not headhunting, but I tend to think Callaway's doing a pretty bad job deploying his guys and having them ready to play. Particularly the offense and defense.

I think with a rookie manager, they've got to give him some more time to sort things out.

[Guest d'Kong76]

41Forever wrote: I think with a rookie manager, they've got to give him some more time to sort things out.

I think the Callaway is dumb, incompetent, in over his head, caught in
the headlights, impaired at times, brainless, witless and illogical stuff will
slowly pass with time.

Got men on base? Find a way to make them cross the plate.

Got a pitcher running to first? Don't freeze up at second and not complete
the double play.

I could go on...

[Guest d'Kong76]

Does anyone recollect what date the line-up card incident occurred?

[Benjamin Grimm]

May 9.

[Guest d'Kong76]

Wow, thanks, almost a month now...

[Edgy MD]

I don't think Callaway is dumb. But I think he's got a basketball coach's problem of being locked into his philosophy. When you live and die by the system you build, regardless of available personnel or situation, it can be sort of a small way of avoiding accountability. If it doesn't work, it's the organization who didn't get the right people for the system, or the players for their intractable refusal to adapt to the system.

That's only going to by you time for so long, of course, and in the end, clinging to your philosophy come hell or high water makes you the intractable one.