Harvey Suspended!

[Edgy MD]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Kingsport!

Welcome to Kingsport, Matt. I'm your manager Luis Rivera. It's great to have you here. All the other players are working out in St. Lucie. Well, half of them. The other half haven't been drafted yet and are in junior college or some godawful place. They pretty much don't exist yet. But I fully expect you to show up on time for workouts. The elevator down doesn't stop here. Gulf Coast League ... Dominican Summer League ... Venezuelan Summer League ... .

Let's have some fun.

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Not that they have to but I'd trade his fat white ass tomorrow if it brought me a decent starting pitching prospect and some help at third base. What the Mets get is the benefit of not losing him eventually, and for already having gotten his best at a good price. It's true his stock is way down but you have to wonder at this point, how much more is to be achieved as a Met? 2013 is not coming back. I also root that he's traded someplace like San Diego or Minnesota. Or maybe to the Rockies LOLOLOLLL

I get that his stock is down, but it's down for the Mets as they hold the stocks too, not just for the marketplace. That's lost futures for the Wilpons, who know something about that sort of thing.

If trading is what you want to do, trade him for somebody else whose stock is down, and just try real hard to be smarter than the other team. Don't fear the market because the stock is down. Be the smart ones. Some days you pick somebody else's pocket and some days you're on a one-way bus to Turnerville or McHughston. There are 29 teams that want him at some level.

[metirish]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Not that they have to but I'd trade his fat white ass tomorrow if it brought me a decent starting pitching prospect and some help at third base. What the Mets get is the benefit of not losing him eventually, and for already having gotten his best at a good price. It's true his stock is way down but you have to wonder at this point, how much more is to be achieved as a Met? 2013 is not coming back. I also root that he's traded someplace like San Diego or Minnesota. Or maybe to the Rockies LOLOLOLLL

This , fuck him, I was thinking last night he's the kind of player that ends up in Oakland

[Centerfield]

This is all so fucking annoying.

First off, I think JCL was right and Harvey is a fucking douchebag. I've given this guy every benefit of the doubt, but you don't just not show up. Fucking stupid.

Everyone knows you don't call in sick. You come in, throw up all over the floor/sneeze everywhere/pass out suddenly, then get sent home by your boss while you insist the whole time that you are ok. Anyone who's ever had a job knows this.

I have a hard time believing he had a real migraine, and wasn't just fucking hung over from drinking in the golf cart all day. Wake up early, drink all through the round, come home dehydrated and hung over, get a 4 p.m. "migraine" then pass the fuck out. I'm guessing the Mets were as understanding about this as most wives when you tell them that you can't take the kids and do all the shit you promised after golf because of your "migraine".

As for the Mets, did they tell Harvey that he would risk suspension? Did they sit him down and say, this shit has to stop. Next one, we are suspending you, and doing it publicly. It just seems like a bullshit move that Harvey showed up ready to start, and then was sent home. And why the secrecy? It's not like it wasn't going to come out anyway.

Seems all so stupid to me. I hate everyone.

[MFS62]

metirish wrote: This , fuck him, I was thinking last night he's the kind of player that ends up in Oakland

With the Raiders.
But by the time he gets there, the Raiders will be in Las Vegas.
How appropriate.

Later

[Benjamin Grimm]

I was trying to think of the major league city with the least exciting nightlife. I don't know: Milwaukee? Phoenix? I'm not really up on such things.

[Edgy MD]

Part of me thinks that David Wright, hanging around the clubhouse with nothing to do but captaining, would have made it his business to get any of the other 24 players to the ballpark and out of the shit, but in Harvey's case, he just said, "Fuck him, let him dangle."

Reminds me of my Dad, getting a passed out Jim Beauchamp to the ballpark as an irate Yogi Berra fumed.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I was trying to think of the major league city with the least exciting nightlife. I don't know: Milwaukee? Phoenix? I'm not really up on such things.

I recall reading several quotes over the years that it's Cincinnati. Even Led Zeppelin noted that you're lucky to get a decent meal there after 10PM.

[metirish]

Edgy MD wrote: Reminds me of my Dad, getting a passed out Jim Beauchamp to the ballpark as an irate Yogi Berra fumed.

Well, don't just let that dangle , do tell.

[stevejrogers]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: I was trying to think of the major league city with the least exciting nightlife. I don't know: Milwaukee? Phoenix? I'm not really up on such things. I recall reading several quotes over the years that it's Cincinnati. Even Led Zeppelin noted that you're lucky to get a decent meal there after 10PM.

Are you sure its not Cleveland?

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: I was trying to think of the major league city with the least exciting nightlife. I don't know: Milwaukee? Phoenix? I'm not really up on such things. I recall reading several quotes over the years that it's Cincinnati. Even Led Zeppelin noted that you're lucky to get a decent meal there after 10PM.

Harvey and Doodoo for Votto and Brandon Finnegan. DO IT SANDY!!!!!

[Edgy MD]

I'd go with Arlington, Texas. But Harvey might think it's Heaven.

DooDoo isn't going to move while he's hurt, but Smitty might.

[seawolf17]

[if trading is what you want to do, trade him for somebody else whose stock is down, and just try real hard to be smarter than the other team. Don't fear the market because the stock is down. Be the smart ones. Some days you pick somebody else's pocket and some days you're on a one-way bus to Turnerville or McHughston. There are 29 teams that want him at some level.

The old "change of scenery" trade. I wouldn't be averse to that. I even have a suggestion.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/gausmke01.shtml

[Chad ochoseis]

SteveJRogers wrote: Are you sure its not Cleveland?

WELL, EFF YOU, TOO.

I didn't see the point of suspending him. If he's done something severe enough to warrant public humiliation and depriving the team of his pitching skills (no, he doesn't have many, but on his worst day he's better than Adam Wilk), then just send him to Vegas for 10 days and open up a roster spot. He might enjoy Vegas too much, but it's a great city for deflating pitchers' egos when they need deflating.

Edgy MD wrote: Trying to guess how much of yesterday's fiasco was demoralization. It would have been nice for a few of the batsmen to turn to each other and say, "This Wilk guy has been thrown in the deep end. Let's get together and bail him out."

They've been busy bailing out Gsellman, Montero, Wheeler, Harvey, and even DeGrom lately. I'll give them a pass.

[Edgy MD]

I'm not trying to indict them. I'm just curious how deflating this episode was for them.

It was a terrible showing against a fill-in starter.

[stevejrogers]

Chad Ochoseis wrote: SteveJRogers wrote: Are you sure its not Cleveland? WELL, EFF YOU, TOO

LOL! Hey, there was a former Knick who relished a trade to the Cavs due to the lack of a Cleveland nightlife full of temptations...that and the Cavs being championship contenders and the Knicks...well, not so much!

[batmagadanleadoff]

SteveJRogers wrote: I was trying to think of the major league city with the least exciting nightlife. I don't know: Milwaukee? Phoenix? I'm not really up on such things. I recall reading several quotes over the years that it's Cincinnati. Even Led Zeppelin noted that you're lucky to get a decent meal there after 10PM. Are you sure its not Cleveland?

Now I remember the context of the Zeppelin quote. They were justifying wrecking their hotel rooms in Cincy. They recalled that by the time their Cincy concerts had ended, there wasn't a thing open in that city and so how else were young men on top of the world supposed to release all that energy?

[Guest d'Kong76]

Is the suspension Sat-Sun-Mon or Sun-Mon-Tue? It would be hilarious if
Harvey gets to go the Rangers game tomorrow night! No? Yes it would.

[metirish]

d'Kong76 wrote: Is the suspension Sat-Sun-Mon or Sun-Mon-Tue? It would be hilarious if Harvey gets to go the Rangers game tomorrow night! No? Yes it would.

SSM , due at CF Tues, yes, it would be hilarious if there was another miscommunication and Harvey was shown in the big board at MSG

[batmagadanleadoff]

Just to really confuse things, Harvey'll probably pitch a gem worthy of a Cy Young candidate in his next start.

[Guest themetfairy]

Centerfield wrote: Everyone knows you don't call in sick. You come in, throw up all over the floor/sneeze everywhere/pass out suddenly, then get sent home by your boss while you insist the whole time that you are ok. Anyone who's ever had a job knows this.

Off topic - whatever happened to your friend Eugene? How long did it take his employer to fire him again after he had stopped coming into work?

[Vic Sage]

first of all, If Harvey were pitching well, i doubt very much he'd have gotten suspended, nor would fans be calling for his immediate tar and feathering. Is he an asshole? Yes, he's an asshole. And, as JCL has repeatedly noted, he's been one from the outset. But i don't recall the outcry for his excommunication when he was dominating the league (well, maybe JCL, but nobody else around here).

I, too, don't want a guy who is too hung over to show up for work, but he's an asset. So the conversation that needs to happen now is Sandy sitting Matt down and saying, "we've had it with you. But if you pitch well from now on, you'll prove to other teams that your healthy and maybe worth taking a chance on. so we'll give you the opportunity to pitch well enough here to go win a contract for next year somewhere else."

And then, if the Mets still suck by the end of July, and if he's pitched adequately until then, you get a decent prospect in a rental deal with a contender looking to beef up down the stretch.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I agree. There's no good argument for trading him immediately. His value right now is low, and it's more likely to go up than down, only because it's already so low. Wait a month, or two, or more, and see where Harvey is at, and where the team is at.

[Guest d'Kong76]

Vic Sage wrote: Sandy sitting Matt down and saying, "we've had it with you. But if you pitch well from now on, you'll prove to other teams that your healthy and maybe worth taking a chance on. so we'll give you the opportunity to pitch well enough here to go win a contract for next year somewhere else."

Harv: "Ok, you're right Mr. Alderson. You got 100%, 24/7 from here on in! Skip,
can I go the Ranger game tomorrow night? They're down 3-2 and it might be the
last home game!!!"

TC: "Sure Matt, see you on Kiss Cam or whatever but be here white-eyed and
all the earlier Wednesday! Got it?"

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I don't have to trade him today, but a good argument exists if we could get the right return. You never know. Maybe the Rockies or DBaggs think they're good enough to steal the West if they move now.

[Edgy MD]

Yeah, sure there's an argument—the same argument that justifies any trade: If the deal they want is available.

[Frayed Knot]

If the team is bottoming out in July you may see a deal, although this coming off-season is much more likely.
But the details of whatever he pulled on Saturday (and we still don't know MOST of them) would have to be really hairy for this to approach a 'Must deal NOW!!!!' type of situation.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Edgy MD wrote: Yeah, sure there's an argument—the same argument that justifies any trade: If the deal they want is available.

True. But I doubt they get that good deal this week. Anyone approaching the Mets for a Harvey deal at this point is probably bargain hunting. But you never know.

[G-Fafif]

New intrigue, featuring pajamas, from Jon Heyman. I don't think I've ever read a story with so much parenthetical caution sprinkled throughout.

Even those close to Harvey understand his text (or text back) didn’t come until after the 3 p.m. cutoff for notice (the players are due on the field at 4), and that the Mets would have been within their rights to fine him. The issue is whether a suspension was warranted. Harvey apparently does not believe a suspension was called for, but that a fine would have been OK. People who have been in contact with the Mets suggest he’s been fined before (though it isn’t known for what and how many times), and that this was the time to draw the line. The position of Mets people, according to those who have spoken to them, is that he’s been late before (a few times, they say, including one time when he missed an off-day practice in the 2015 postseason when he also racked up innings and helped pitch the team into the World Series the year after his Tommy John surgery). And they say that it’s clear the policy is clear to report to trainer Ray Ramirez if you’re ill or injured and are going to be late, and not to a coach. Those people who’ve spoken to the club says Mets people cite an “accumulation” of slip-ups, and furthermore seem to believe other Mets players would have been upset by special treatment if they didn’t take a stand on a perceived punctuality issue (though that couldn’t immediately be corroborated).

[Guest cooby]

I think the three day suspension was fair (especially since one day was already over with by the time they told him) and really, I'm willing to let bygones be bygones, but for corn's sake Matt, grow up! Or get an alarm clock (remember when we all said that about Doc? )

[ashie62]

I want to see Harvey on the MSG Jumbotron.