What's next for Harvey?

[G-Fafif]

Hope his burger-flipping doesn't suffer as a result of the discomfort.

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[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

soupcan wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Forget it. That's not what he said. He said his being a douchebag was a problem regardless of his health So clear it up. From what you wrote before it sounded like Kiernan made a connection from being a douche to being hurt. Is that wrong?

Yeah that's not what I meant to convey. Sorry. Just pretend I said he thinks Harvey is a douche and that his state of mind is wrong for baseball.

[Guest d'Kong76]

soupcan wrote: What's Wheeler's status? Wasn't he supposed to be good to go following the All Star break?

He's behind schedule with some setbacks.

[TransMonk]

I would not expect to see Wheeler before August 1 at the earliest.

He resumed throwing last Monday after his latest setback, but the team has not given a timetable for his return.

[soupcan]

August 1st is fine.

[G-Fafif]

Sandy to address the media at 3:45. Go to a secure location.

[bmfc1]

Announcing a big trade for Nolan Arenado, I hope, rather than Harvey is out for the year.

[G-Fafif]

bmfc1 wrote: Announcing a big trade for Nolan Arenado, I hope, rather than Harvey is out for the year.

Maybe the Rockies would take multitime All-Star shortstop, former stolen base champ in return.

[Edgy MD]

Got a link?

[soupcan]

Per Sandy: Symptoms are consistent with Thoracic Outlet Syndrome. Two options available. Temporary fix that includes use of nerve blocking meds. Second option is surgery. In Harvey's case surgery would mean no return to baseball activities for 4 months so basically we're talking about 2017.

Sandy has not spoken to Harvey yet so thats all he's got.


Per soupcan: So, do the temporary stuff and see if it works. If it does, get back on the hill and have the surgery post-post season. You're back on the mound at Citi by June at the latest.

If the meds don't work, then go get cut pal and we'll see you in the spring.

Bing bang boom.

[TransMonk]

Also, the SNY guys are now talking like Wheeler is now "if" instead of "when" in 2016.

So much for the pitching depth.

[Ceetar]

TransMonk wrote: Also, the SNY guys are now talking like Wheeler is now "if" instead of "when" in 2016. So much for the pitching depth.

Probably always was. People were way too 'sure' about that for someone that hadn't thrown yet. But the hope is still there for August it's just you can't really bank on no setbacks.

[Edgy MD]

Oh, I think the team still has enviable depth. Brilliant move bringing Colón back though.

If anything, it's almost a relief to have a pedestrian in the rotation. If Verrett doesn't perform two times in a row, they move on until they find someone who does. If Harvey doesn't perform two times in a row, they wring their hands, and weigh short-term needs against getting Harvey back to Harveyness, sending him out there and out there and out there.

[Frayed Knot]

Harvey at first seemed determined to 'work through' his partially torn UCL rather than go through surgery back when it was his elbow that betrayed him so I suspect his first instinct will be to try his gosh-darnedest to avoid the knife here too.
I apologize for my strong language.

[Ceetar]

Frayed Knot wrote: Harvey at first seemed determined to 'work through' his partially torn UCL rather than go through surgery back when it was his elbow that betrayed him so I suspect his first instinct will be to try his gosh-darnedest to avoid the knife here too. I apologize for my strong language.

i imagine that'd be my response to people that want to cut me open too.

Generally won't hurt any timetable to give it a month or two either.

[metsmarathon]

yeesh. this is not terribly good...

[Guest Mets Guy in Michigan]

The Bartolo signing looks better and better and better...

Imagine where we would be without him?

[ashie62]

That could be 2 years away for Wheeler? Thats crazy.

[Edgy MD]

Daddy always says, if Brant Rustich says so, it's the truth.

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I don't think he knows what "albeit" means, but if he does, he's totally dissed the Mets right there.

[ashie62]

Thats actually pretty funny. albeit fot the Mets

[RealityChuck]

One of the fringe benefits of being a Mets fan is that you can learn all about unusual medical conditions: spinal stenosis, Thoracic Outlet Syndrome...

It makes bone spurs seem almost quaint.

[smg58]

This strikes me as the "don't fool around, just get the surgery done" type of injury. I get the sense he's been trying to pitch with the condition for too long already.

Rustich sounds like he knows what he's talking about, FWIW. I'd be curious to know, though, if the Mets' front office was really any more guilty than other teams of making valor the better part of discretion where injuries were concerned, or if it just seems that way because we pay more attention to them than to other teams.

[Edgy MD]

I glean that, in Rustich's case, the diagnosis didn't come until late. His condition was his normal.

Whether that's on the Mets, I guess, can be speculated. I wonder if he and Tony Bernazard had a chat.

[seawolf17]

RealityChuck wrote: One of the fringe benefits of being a Mets fan is that you can learn all about unusual medical conditions: spinal stenosis, Thoracic Outlet Syndrome... It makes bone spurs seem almost quaint.

Don't forget Ike Davis Disease or whatever he had.

[Centerfield]

Well obviously this is not good news at all, but it's good to know that there is a reason (if only partially) for Harvey's struggles this season. The surgery seems like scary stuff, but it's encouraging that some of the recent guys have been able to bounce back successfully. Get the surgery Harv. It's a death sentence if you don't.

A few other thoughts:

*Good job by the Mets to recognize it, shut it down, and send him to an expert immediately. We rake them when they bungle these injuries. Looks like they were right on top of this one. Maybe having seen it with Dillon Gee before helped them to spot it.

*Hard to know what may have led to this, but in reading up on the guys who have had it in the past, you can't help but notice that a few of those guys threw a lot of innings, and went deep into the post-season (Beckett, Carpenter). I can't help but wonder if the innings last year led to this.

*The media and fans that blasted Harvey should be embarrassed. Turns out he wasn't struggling because of his demeanor, or his douchiness, or because he got fat. Instead, it's a serious medical condition. Do we know for sure that this has nothing to do with his blood clots in spring training? Suddenly those tabloid headlines don't seem so funny any more do they?

I understand that Harvey is unlikeable to a lot of people. He seems super douchy. No question. But he's done nothing but work his ass off and pitch amazing since he's been here. Isn't that worth something? We're going to slam him because he kinda seems like a dick, while adoring a convicted PED user and giving a standing ovation to a guy who is accused of choking his wife? I don't know. Seems awfully hypocritical to me.

I don't expect everyone to agree, but in my opinion, the idolization of Bartolo Colon represents the great part of playing in NY. The fans treatment and media treatment of Matt Harvey this year demonstrates the worst.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Centerfield wrote: I don't expect everyone to agree, but in my opinion, the idolization of Bartolo Colon represents the great part of playing in NY. The fans treatment and media treatment of Matt Harvey this year demonstrates the worst.

I think that's fair.

[bmfc1]

Season-ending surgery, that's what's next for Harvey. Per Rubin: "Scott Boras tells ESPN that Matt Harvey will undergo surgery in St. Louis with Dr. Thompson to address thoracic outlet syndrome, ending his season. Boras says this is the reason Harvey underperformed this season."

[Guest themetfairy]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Centerfield wrote: I don't expect everyone to agree, but in my opinion, the idolization of Bartolo Colon represents the great part of playing in NY. The fans treatment and media treatment of Matt Harvey this year demonstrates the worst. I think that's fair.

I agree.

[Guest d'Kong76]

bmfc1 wrote: Season-ending surgery, that's what's next for Harvey.

Best of luck to him. From what we've read, it's not going to be an
easy road back.

[soupcan]

bmfc1 wrote: Season-ending surgery, that's what's next for Harvey. Per Rubin: "Scott Boras tells ESPN that Matt Harvey will undergo surgery in St. Louis with Dr. Thompson to address thoracic outlet syndrome, ending his season. Boras says this is the reason Harvey underperformed this season."

Good on all counts.

Get it done, fix the problem, plenty of rehab time, ready in the spring, the Dark Knight Returns in 2017.