2016 Baseball HoF Voting

[nymr83]

Griffey named on 99%, all but 3 ballots. can we kick those 3 guys out?

[Gwreck]

The biggest mystery to me: how does Clemens get 4 more votes than Bonds?

[nymr83]

Gwreck wrote: The biggest mystery to me: how does Clemens get 4 more votes than Bonds?

Yankee fan writers who can justify cheating to help the yankees only.

[Zvon]

Nymr83 wrote: Wagner just didnt pitch enough innings for me.

This^ for me. But when you think about it he did get a lot of saves for his inning amount, relatively speaking. Still, in Hoffman's shadow he don't get my vote.

99.3

I wouldn't have wanted to see anyone else break Seaver's record. Maybe some day Trout will break Griffey's.

[Frayed Knot]

Thought there'd be more than two, but they got the best two anyway.
Bagwell (71.6%) is now close enough to where he looks likely soon; Raines (69.8) is almost sure to get enough of a final year push to get him over the top next time; and a strong first year from Trevor Hoffman (67.3).

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Nymr83 wrote: Griffey named on 99%, all but 3 ballots. can we kick those 3 guys out?

Wasn't there at least one "blank ballot" protest feller?

Wagner hangs on, as does Sosa (by a whitened fingernail, at 7.0%). We salute the following departed, in reverse order of votes received: Brad Ausmus, Luis Castillo, Troy Glaus, Mark Grudzielanek, Mike Hampton, Mike Lowell, and Randy Winn (0/0%); Garret Anderson (1/0.2%), Jason Kendall and David F*cking Eckstein (2/0.5%); Mike Sweeney (3/0.7%); NOMAH (8/1.8%); and Jim Edmonds (13/2.5%).

[batmagadanleadoff]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Wagner hangs on, as does Sosa (by a whitened fingernail, at 7.0%). We salute the following departed, in reverse order of votes received: Brad Ausmus, Luis Castillo, Troy Glaus, Mark Grudzielanek, Mike Hampton, Mike Lowell, and Randy Winn (0/0%); Garret Anderson (1/0.2%), Jason Kendall and David F*cking Eckstein (2/0.5%); Mike Sweeney (3/0.7%); NOMAH (8/1.8%); and Jim Edmonds (13/2.5%).

And Alan Trammell (180/40.9%)

[nymr83]

Hopefully the Veterans Committee will take care of Trammel as soon as they get the chance.

Jim Edmonds. there are worse players in the hall. the ballot is just so clogged right now that he didnt even get a sniff

[MFS62]

Wagner hangs on, as does Sosa (by a whitened fingernail, at 7.0%). We salute the following departed, in reverse order of votes received: Brad Ausmus, Luis Castillo, Troy Glaus, Mark Grudzielanek, Mike Hampton, Mike Lowell, and Randy Winn (0/0%); Garret Anderson (1/0.2%), Jason Kendall and David F*cking Eckstein (2/0.5%); Mike Sweeney (3/0.7%); NOMAH (8/1.8%); and Jim Edmonds (13/2.5%.)

Amazing, and why I believe the writers who say they rely on metrics may not use them all the time:
Edmonds > eliminated in his first year of eligibility

.284/.376/.527/.903 and 132 OPS+

Junior > near unanimous selection to HOF in his first year of eligibility

.284/.370./.538/.906 and 136 OPS+

For those writers, shouldn't it have been closer? Or were those 2.5% of the votes from those writers?
Just wondering.
Later

[Ceetar]

Edmonds should've gotten more love.

[Frayed Knot]

It is surprising how close those career stats are -- although Griffey did so across 3,300+ more PAs (some five extra season's worth) and a better peak part of his career.
But, yeah, Edmonds was a heckuva ballplayer even if he was also the biggest hotdog in the outfield aside from those race-running mascots in Milwaukee.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

MFS62 wrote: Amazing, and why I believe the writers who say they rely on metrics may not use them all the time: Edmonds > eliminated in his first year of eligibility .284/.376/.527/.903 and 132 OPS+ Junior > near unanimous selection to HOF in his first year of eligibility .284/.370./.538/.906 and 136 OPS+ For those writers, shouldn't it have been closer? Or were those 2.5% of the votes from those writers? Just wondering. Later

Griffey's 6-year peak: .300/.388/.620, 44-45 WAR. That's Mays-at-HIS-peak stuff. Edmonds was great at his best, but not quite THERE there... and he had about 60% of the PAS the Kid did. Picture Koufax longevity, but with Drysdale's peak.

Still... he deserved better.

[Frayed Knot]

Next year's first-timers:

- Manny Ramirez: a HoF career by the numbers but not only is linked to PEDs but is proven to have used them several times after the implementation of testing when, theoretically at least, not 'everyone was doing them'

- Ivan Rodriguez: only link to PEDs (as far as I remember) is via Canseco's book (which may or may not be accurate) although that's a helluva lot more than what kept Piazza and Bagwell out for years.

- Vlad Guerrero

- Magglio Ordonez

- Jorge Posada

- Edgar Renteria

btw, can you tell that the 'Latinization' of MLB is in full swing here? The top six new candidates are from Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, DR, Venezuela, PR, and Columbia

also Derrick Lee, Jason Varitek, Orlando Cabrera, Freddy Sanchez, Tim Wakefield, Carlos Guillen, Arthur Rhodes, Javier Vazquez, Aaron Rowand, J.D. Drew, Pat Burrell, Melvin Mora, Danys Baez, Mike Cameron, Julio Lugo

[Centerfield]

Magglio Ordonez is also "linked" to PED's in that rumors say he bought his way out of Canseco's book.

[nymr83]

i dont think any of those guys go in on the first ballot, Pudge probably gets 50%.

[seawolf17]

Nymr83 wrote: i dont think any of those guys go in on the first ballot, Pudge probably gets 50%.

Agree. Pudge will be closest -- and will get in eventually -- but the others won't. Posada will linger around 30% for his full ten years and then go away, which will be funny.

[Vic Sage]

you don't think Vlad will get in eventually? or just on first ballot? Because he's getting in, and he won't have to wait long. He was one of the most dominant hitters of his era and his rate numbers are better than Griffey's... he just didn't hang around for a decade of declining play.

[nymr83]

Vic Sage wrote: you don't think Vlad will get in eventually? or just on first ballot? Because he's getting in, and he won't have to wait long. He was one of the most dominant hitters of his era and his rate numbers are better than Griffey's... he just didn't hang around for a decade of declining play.

i was just talking next year.

easy to forget how good Vlad was as he spent most of his career in the obscurity of Montreal.

Vlad's hitting was pretty similiar to Giffey's on a per at-bat basis, Griffey managed 2,000 more Plate Appearances. Griffey was hurt a lot for a decade, but i wouldnt say he was "hanging around" until those last 2 years in Seattle.

Guerrero had a strong arm but was an otherwise below average defender in RF. Griffey was a very good defensive CF for half his career (and maybe out of position for the 2nd half, Jeter-style)