Exogen Temporal Thermometers presents 9/1/15 IGT

[Zvon]

Ha! Phillies post game is all over TC re: Parnell.

Let the crucifixion begin! I'm afraid to look on fb.

[Gwreck]

Edgy MD wrote: Mets leadoff hitters since 2010. Reyes, Grandy, Cowgill, Brown, and Garry Matthews, Jr., and... Tejada?

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Didn't Alex Cora lead off on opening day 2010?

[Edgy MD]

Yeah, my answers were imperfectly guessed.

[Edgy MD]

I'm trying to stay open to the idea that Terry is savvy in ways I can't comprehend � that a lifetime of wisdom and a keen eye for practical application of comprehensive data feeds into choices like batting Cespedes second and Kelly Johnson fifth � but the decision to go to Parnell and O'Flaherty first out of the pen has me flummoxed.

The former is returning from the disabled list in relation to a dubious injury following a bout of self-destruction. The latter has been lost as well, and if he's ever going to be found, it's best to try and get him into lefty-on-lefty match-ups. That the team should hit their way back out a hole only to put the game in these hands puzzles me, as it seems neither beneficial for the team nor the pitchers. Terry openly stated before the game that he wanted to work Gilmartin and Reed in tonight and, well, there was his chance.

Nice little lead your team has built up, Terry, but it's too early to coast, if that indeed is what's going on.

I thought I knew his game. But 2015 Terry has been an enigma.

[MFS62]

Edgy MD wrote: Nice little lead your team has built up, Terry, but it's too early to coast, if that indeed is what's going on. I thought I knew his game. But 2015 Terry has been an enigma.

There's a difference between in-game moves (tactics) and managing people. Joe Torre showed he couldn't cope with in game nuances of managing in the National League, When he moved to the clubhouse in the Bronx, the back pages of the NY newspapers called him 'Clueless Joe". But with fewer in-game decisions (mostly because of the DH rule, but also because he had Mariano Rivera) he could spend his time on the off the field part of the job, and he did it very well.

At a Company I worked for, someone made a disparaging comment a secretary. The Director heard it and immediately called a meeting. He said (I paraphrase) "There's nothing I do on a daily basis that the secretary couldn't do. But there are several times a year when I have to make a difficult decision. And it on those decisions that the difference in our salaries is based".
I look at Terry the same way. He robotically manages "by the book" during most of the season. But I'm still not sure whether I trust his judgment in those special spots.

Later

[Edgy MD]

I would say that I don't see his approach as operating by the book.

[Centerfield]

Edgy MD wrote: I'm trying to stay open to the idea that Terry is savvy in ways I can't comprehend � that a lifetime of wisdom and a keen eye for practical application of comprehensive data feeds into choices like batting Cespedes second and Kelly Johnson fifth � but the decision to go to Parnell and O'Flaherty first out of the pen has me flummoxed. The former is returning from the disabled list in relation to a dubious injury following a bout of self-destruction. The latter has been lost as well, and if he's ever going to be found, it's best to try and get him into lefty-on-lefty match-ups. That the team should hit their way back out a hole only to put the game in these hands puzzles me, as it seems neither beneficial for the team nor the pitchers. Terry openly stated before the game that he wanted to work Gilmartin and Reed in tonight and, well, there was his chance. Nice little lead your team has built up, Terry, but it's too early to coast, if that indeed is what's going on. I thought I knew his game. But 2015 Terry has been an enigma.

Yup. The team put up a 4 spot. Get your best guy out there and get back in the dugout. This was a very winnable game.

I can see the logic in wanting to get Parnell in a high leverage situation, but start him in a low leverage situation first. And as RD said in another thread, the only good time to pitch O'Flaherty is about 5:15 p.m.

[Zvon]

Centerfield wrote: I'm trying to stay open to the idea that Terry is savvy in ways I can't comprehend � that a lifetime of wisdom and a keen eye for practical application of comprehensive data feeds into choices like batting Cespedes second and Kelly Johnson fifth � but the decision to go to Parnell and O'Flaherty first out of the pen has me flummoxed. The former is returning from the disabled list in relation to a dubious injury following a bout of self-destruction. The latter has been lost as well, and if he's ever going to be found, it's best to try and get him into lefty-on-lefty match-ups. That the team should hit their way back out a hole only to put the game in these hands puzzles me, as it seems neither beneficial for the team nor the pitchers. Terry openly stated before the game that he wanted to work Gilmartin and Reed in tonight and, well, there was his chance. Nice little lead your team has built up, Terry, but it's too early to coast, if that indeed is what's going on. I thought I knew his game. But 2015 Terry has been an enigma. Yup. The team put up a 4 spot. Get your best guy out there and get back in the dugout. This was a very winnable game. I can see the logic in wanting to get Parnell in a high leverage situation, but start him in a low leverage situation first. And as RD said in another thread, the only good time to pitch O'Flaherty is about 5:15 p.m.

lol @ Flahjoke. I'm gonna use that.
I didn't actually see the Parnell inning. I did partially hear Howie on the radio and he was so busy pulling a Wilmer Flores in Bobby's regard that I didn't know the details, like how many balls Bobby threw in a row. Last I heard Rose was yelling that he threw it away, on the play at first. I assumed that was Parnell but I'm not sure. Reception was fuzzy.

I'm gonna go watch it now. Maybe he did leave Parnell in too long, and using Parnell & then Flaherty back to back is worse than waving a white flag, but still I'll give TC some decent slack. If we don't take tomorrows game I might start feeling different. We just gotta take two of three vs. these guys, I don't care how and I don't care in what order.

And if Parnell and uh-O' are rotten eggs, find out and get em out of the basket. If Terry hasn't come to this conclusion I might be swayed to the dark side.

[nymr83]

Cardinals defeat the hated Nationals, who actually led 4-0 early. Feels really good to not lose a game in the standings tonight. Nationals must be ready to pack their bags and go play golf, to be up 4-0, see the Mets get smoked, and still suck like that and lose.

[Edgy MD]

Zvon wrote: And if Parnell and uh-O' are rotten eggs, find out and get em out of the basket. If Terry hasn't come to this conclusion I might be swayed to the dark side.

It seems to me that there are plenty of other ways and times to find out.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Okay, the Mets were down 6-0, and Terry probably had Parnell warming up because a game with a six-run deficit is a realistic time to give him an inning to see what he can do. But when the Mets scored four runs, Terry should have shifted gears. It's now a two-run game, and momentum is in the Mets favor, but Terry brings in a pitcher who had a 7.71 ERA in August. When that doesn't work out, he substitutes a pitcher who had a 12.86 ERA in August. The third pitcher of the inning is a guy who had a 5.91 ERA in August.

He was managing that inning like a guy who had money on the Phillies.

[Guest cooby]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Nope, Lewes....never mind But how is Lewes? We've often wondered Great place to camp. Tent sites in soft pine forest, short walk/ride to the ocean. Downtown Lewes cute in an old east coast town kinda way.

Someday we'll check it out. I had a friend that took the ferry there for a day every year from Cape May. That'd be fun

[Lefty Specialist]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Okay, the Mets were down 6-0, and Terry probably had Parnell warming up because a game with a six-run deficit is a realistic time to give him an inning to see what he can do. But when the Mets scored four runs, Terry should have shifted gears. It's now a two-run game, and momentum is in the Mets favor, but Terry brings in a pitcher who had a 7.71 ERA in August. When that doesn't work out, he substitutes a pitcher who had a 12.86 ERA in August. The third pitcher of the inning is a guy who had a 5.91 ERA in August. He was managing that inning like a guy who had money on the Phillies.

Well, it's a good point. Garbage time is when you should get Parnell up, and they were looking at 4 innings to fill. But he should have shifted. One thing I've always noticed is that Terry doesn't like not bringing players in after they've warmed up for a while.

That's the last we'll see of Bobby P in any kind of leveraged situation, methinks.

[Edgy MD]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Okay, the Mets were down 6-0, and Terry probably had Parnell warming up because a game with a six-run deficit is a realistic time to give him an inning to see what he can do. But when the Mets scored four runs, Terry should have shifted gears. It's now a two-run game, and momentum is in the Mets favor, but Terry brings in a pitcher who had a 7.71 ERA in August. When that doesn't work out, he substitutes a pitcher who had a 12.86 ERA in August. The third pitcher of the inning is a guy who had a 5.91 ERA in August. He was managing that inning like a guy who had money on the Phillies.

Oooh. Maybe we're on to something.

[seawolf17]

Lefty Specialist wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: Okay, the Mets were down 6-0, and Terry probably had Parnell warming up because a game with a six-run deficit is a realistic time to give him an inning to see what he can do. But when the Mets scored four runs, Terry should have shifted gears. It's now a two-run game, and momentum is in the Mets favor, but Terry brings in a pitcher who had a 7.71 ERA in August. When that doesn't work out, he substitutes a pitcher who had a 12.86 ERA in August. The third pitcher of the inning is a guy who had a 5.91 ERA in August. He was managing that inning like a guy who had money on the Phillies. Well, it's a good point. Garbage time is when you should get Parnell up, and they were looking at 4 innings to fill. But he should have shifted. One thing I've always noticed is that Terry doesn't like not bringing players in after they've warmed up for a while. That's the last we'll see of Bobby P in any kind of leveraged situation, methinks.

Agree. Gary made the point last night that the organization wants Parnell to succeed -- duh -- but he looked lost out there. He was so visibly frustrated after the second walk, you had to get him out of there. Stall if you have to, have Warthen walk slowly, whatever -- but you knew he was toast.